IT pulling out?

DublinWriter

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

If they leave Ireland, what other nation of the 25 will they move to?

Take your pick of the recent accession countries. Cheaper labour, etc.

homerjay2005

hp were in trouble a few years ago but have re invented themselves. they have invested too much money into ireland to pull out anytime soon. dell are learning that having tech support in india is not a good option, something that all the other companies will learn pretty soon.

as regards dell in limierick, the factory employess 4000 people approx, with 1200 of those non irish, alot of these are polish who may move to poland when that factory opens in august. i dont think that dell are leaving ireland anytime soon, scaled down yes, but leaving no. in fact, they are bringing alot of their tech support and services back to ireland from other countries.

youcancallmeal

A friend of mine recently came back from London where he spent a year working in IT, according to him a lot of the big companies over there who moved their IT helpdesks to India and the likes are now starting to bring them back because standards in communication were simply not acceptable.

youcancallme>al

youcancallme>al wrote:

A friend of mine recently came back from London where he spent a year working in IT, according to him a lot of the big companies over there who moved their IT helpdesks to India and the likes are now starting to bring them back because standards in communication were simply not acceptable.

Dell in the states did this for their business support because of the high level of frustration.

youcancallmeal

ronoc wrote:

Dell in the states did this for their business support because of the high level of frustration.

Its actually at a stage now where some companies advertise their IT support as being England based or something similar just because they know how much people get frustrated trying to explain something they don't really understand themselves to another person that doesn't even understand them as it is

Calhoun

youcancallme>al wrote:

Its actually at a stage now where some companies advertise their IT support as being England based or something similar just because they know how much people get frustrated trying to explain something they don't really understand themselves to another person that doesn't even understand them as it is

Yep Business customers dont just buy the hardware they buy a service . Aftersales/presales support is very important to them. Its comes to a stage were IT companies are losing business because of poor aftersales support.

Kipperhell

I recently became a contract tester as I found the full time jobs were paying poorly and/or were junior. There is great difficulty in getting full time experienced staff apparently as many realise contracting pays more. HR people told me that they have to offer jobs as contract jobs as nobody will take them as fulltime. Earning 90% more than I was last year and actually have more security than the last place. I have been asked to go full time more than once in 3 months.
There is a lot of IT work that can never be outsourced. A lot of places that outsourced to cheaper places have returned to Ireland from what I have heard. Major quality issues with what has been coming back. I don't think it as easy as people suggest to move some jobs out of the country. Cultural differences can really hinder good an agreed production standard IMHO.
Manufacturing is a lot different though as alot can really mean assembly.

constitutionus

Snickers Man wrote:

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Also, much of what HP does in Ireland is service related. Many of the HP staff working on the BOI project are former BoI staff anyway. If HP gives up on that project and it gets taken back in house, then those people will probably become BoI employees again.

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i wouldnt bet on that, this is BOI were talkin about, you can bet they'll do an an post and let the lot of em go ala SDS . if memory serves BOI went to alot of trouble to get rid of their IT dept to begin with so it'd be much easier for em to hire a buch of newbies on a starter rate than have to match the wage those guys would be on. perpetual turnover is a classic tactic by the banks to keep costs down. seen it happen for years, im the only guy in my section on the maximum payscale level , as everyone else leaves in frustration after 2 to 3 years without getting half what im on doing the same job.

Zwartsj

well i wee will all have to wait and see what Intel does tomorrow as there is meant to be a big announcement.

personally i think fab 10 is being sold of (as they did with fab 11 in Mexico)

well only time will tell

Cormic

Zwartsj wrote:

well i wee will all have to wait and see what Intel does tomorrow as there is meant to be a big announcement.

personally i think fab 10 is being sold of (as they did with fab 11 in Mexico)

well only time will tell

I know this is a silly question, but who would buy a fab plant? AMD?

daveg

Snickers Man wrote:

As for HP: their manufacturing site here is highly automated and relatively new. There wouldn't be a huge cost saving relocating it elsewhere.

It is doubtful HP, Dublin will get any new manufacturing technologies. Singapore have 0% corporate tax incentives for technologies. As HP have a large facility in Singapore you can guarantee new technology manufacture will go there. There is the issue of manufacturing outside the EU to export back into Europe which incurs tax. HP Dublin exports to the EU, and as such does not incur this tax.

HP also outsource ink jet manufacture to a contract manufacturer here in Ireland. They also have a facility in Singapore. The long term outlook for HP manufacturing in Ireland is not good at all.

Tom Dunne

Cormic wrote:

I know this is a silly question, but who would buy a fab plant? AMD?

There are quite a few "fabless" design companies. They design chips, but subcontract out the building of the chips to companies who actually own fabs. AFAIR, Taiwan Semiconductor is one example of the opposite - a company who doesn't design chips, but builds them under contract, leasing out a portion of it's fab.

The latter are probably the type of company that would purchase the fab.

madds

StephenC_IRL wrote:

thats one of the contracts..

O2 outsourced their IT Support function to HP 18 months ago with O2's emps joining HP payroll. Is this the other contract that has been lost?

feylya

O2 aren't being supported in the Clonskeagh building anyway. Unless they were outsourced to India or somewhere simliar

I'm asuming they are contracting within the site in town
what agencies hires for o2?

bonkey

Sounds like electioneering to me.

As for Dell....they certainly aren't going anywhere in the near future. If they were named as one fo the big 4 who are pulling out short-term, then its definitely bull.