Monkeys

electrode

Was just wondering if it is possible to get monkeys as pets in Ireland..And if yes where would you go to get one?

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Nothingcompares

no

tallus

I suppose you could call the zoo and ask, I'd be more worried about finding a vet to deal with them in the event of sickness. They look like complex critters to care for.

Nothingcompares

the zoo will not give you a monkey as a pet don't be ridiculous

Our man in Havana

Not sure where over here you would get monkeys - & monkeys is a very broad term what species are you interested in?

I imported my marmosets from a breeder I have known for 2 years this March - since then I have heard of 2 pet shops who keep monkeys (not sure of the exact species)

Have you done your research?? I did 2 years of research & still do research before I got my guys.

Also I do hope you do not expect a monkey to be a cuddly wuddly pet! They are wild! & can & do BITE the bigger the species the more dangerous they are! In the UK you can only keep marmosets without needing a DWA licence.

Colds can be lethal to monkeys as is the herpes virus so if you have a cold sore then you do not go near the monkeys! My guys get human grade vitamin drops that are for children 5 times a week. They also live a long time - marmosets have an average 12 year life span in the wild so in captivity they have been known to live for 20-25 years so its a LONG term commitment rather like having kids!

Jotter

I doubt if the zoo would be in favour of monkeys as pets considering they support animal and forest conservation. Having been to an orangutang sanctury in Borneo you see all the babies who were rescured after their mothers were killed with machetes so the babies could be sold as pets, the poachers also capture pregnant monkeys and orangutangs, ship them to uk or america, baby is born and mother is killed (she cant be tamed) that way they can say the monkey was born into captivity.
Sorry to lecture but I think its important that you know the horrible background of the tropical pet trade if youre considering supporting it.
Aside from all this a monkey would require the same care and attention as a baby ie constant so its a hell of a responsiblity.

tallus

Nothingcompares wrote:

the zoo will not give you a monkey as a pet don't be ridiculous

I meant to contact the zoo to see where they got their monkeys. How was that ridiculous.

dbrock

there are 2 capuchin monkeys in the buy and sell at the mo
but owning a monkey is like having another child ,, be carefull , best advice is lots and lots of reasearch,,,
oh and john bainbridge in stillorgan,,,dundrum and kenilworth square is the best exotic vet to go to with problems,, hope this helps a bit


also eddie drew could be worth a shot think he is breeding some squirel monkeys but i recon you wanna impress him to get him to sell you one

Sigma Force

also eddie drew could be worth a shot think he is breeding some squirel monkeys but i recon you wanna impress him to get him to sell you one

..Monkeys have to be kept in family groups Capuchins are very complex you need a large amount of space to house them plus heating, proper diet, vet care etc they are wild animals. Have you got a half acre to spare with plenty of heating, suitable plants, trees etc..no? Then don't bother.

For god sake make a donation to Monkey World or the Wicklow monkey sanctuary instead.

On a recent visit to Monkey World this is the marmoset enclosure Capuchins are larger and would need even more space. Can you honestly give them this...keep in mind this was for marmosets which are smaller than Capuchins


They are a lifetime commitment don't bother just get a dog.

Ok there are some great pet owners out there but in general the Irish public treat their dogs like crap dumping them in pounds, oh no baby born gotta get rid of the dog, landlords kicking me out gotta get rid of the dog, fed up with walking the dog gotta get rid of it we cannot even look after the average dog or cat or small animal in this country what is the hope for a more complicate wild animal.

It was snakes a few years back then labradoodles now it's monkeys makes me wonder will the average dog or cat on the street ever become a priority in this country.

A link of interest.
http://www.monkeyworld.co.uk/topic.php?TopicID=49&Template=standard

Arthur was rescued from a Garden shed in Somerset when his owner died in 1999. Arthur had been allowed to live in a tiny shed, deep in his own excrement, for 35 years. Each year the local Council approved Arthur's conditions. Arthur lost most of his hair and his teeth are deformed as the result of his inappropriate diet

dbrock

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It was snakes a few years back then labradoodles now it's monkeys makes me wonder will the average dog or cat on the street ever become a priority in this country.

A link of interest.
http://www.monkeyworld.co.uk/topic.php?TopicID=49&Template=standard[/QUOTE]


snakes and other exotics can make amazing and interesting pets as long as there cared for in the appropiate manor, some people have no interest in dogs, or cats so why frown upon others interest,,
far as buying a monkey is concerned ,, well if you do wish to buy one do your reasearch very well and do remember it is a life long comitment,,,also who ever you are buying it from will more than likely want to know about your knowledge about em and about your set up and be prepared to be dissapointed,, as most good breeders wont sell you one unless you meet the criteria,,

Our man in Havana

dbrock wrote:

snakes and other exotics can make amazing and interesting pets as long as there cared for in the appropiate manor, some people have no interest in dogs, or cats so why frown upon others interest,,
far as buying a monkey is concerned ,, well if you do wish to buy one do your reasearch very well and do remember it is a life long comitment,,,also who ever you are buying it from will more than likely want to know about your knowledge about em and about your set up and be prepared to be dissapointed,, as most good breeders wont sell you one unless you meet the criteria,,

I agree with you about the good breeders! I have been an admin on an exotic uk site that is mainly to do with primates etc & I knew the breeder I got my marmosets from very well - Also I will be twice as tough before I sell any of my babies - I know of 1 or 2 people who keep exotics pets that I would be happy to sell babies to etc. but everyone else will be VETTED very carefully!

I contacted the guy about the capuchins not heard anything back yet but if I get them I know they are wild & are one of the more volatile primates you can keep - I am prepared for the life span of up to 50 years! I do not have half an acre for them but they will have a very large enclosure & I will do as much research as I can to ensure they have a healthy happy long life.

By no means are primates to be considered a good "pet" they are not like cats & dogs - they do things on their terms - I was delighted the other day cause one of my marmoset sat on my should for a minute!

Guineapigrescue I was surprised by your comment of "They are a lifetime commitment don't bother just get a dog." Are dogs not a lifetime commitment?????

I keep a range of exotics - & always will - I did not get marmosets cause they are in vogue at the moment! I got them because I did my research & really wanted them & am sure I can give them a long healthy & happy life. Whatever pet you get be it a hamster, cat, parrot or exotic you need to do your research & be sure you can give it the best life you can! If you can look at the good points & the bad points - like the smell, aggression, chances of getting bitten & needing stitching back up - if you can say yes! I can deal with this & will not take it out on the animal then you can think about getting one!

My motto is research, research, research & more research - we can not know it all - but we can vow to keep learning!

dbrock

My motto is research, research, research & more research - we can not know it all - but we can vow to keep learning!

tottaly agree with you here,,fair play we all have our opinions but lets also leave them open to taught, and possible change,

we all have to learn more and more every day

mark1310

hi yes you can get monkeys in ireland as pets and i have two at the moment two 5 month old marmosets and they are real friendly

mary123

I know a pet shop that sells them as well.

mark1310

really welli work in a pet shop and have them there . . . what pet shop is it ??

pjonesdublin

Hi all,

was over in wackers pet shop on friday and to my amazment they now have to monkeys. They are small one's, i think ring tailed or similar.

But none the less, how is this possible?

Also the enclosure is a decent size but not huge, and they seem in perfect health and the staff are always nice and on top of things but how can it be allowed?

They already have crocs, and irelands largest snake, and apparently have a dog license so they can sell dogs.

I'd love to know what people think..i just hope they look after them well.

as i found this photo

of an attack from pet monkies...

Paul

votejohn

http://cork.gumtree.ie/cork/58/29234258.html

personally I would absolutely LOVE a pet monkey, but I would never get one as I feel it is cruel and selfish to get one.

Vinnie K

Its only cruel and selfish if there needs arent properly met. And refering to pjones post, the ones in wackers arent for sale, they dont have any crocs and they dont have irelands largest snake, oh and ive never seen a pup for sale ther and i doubt there ever has been, you would know this if you were in there on friday.
I was only in there myself over the weekend looking at the monkeys, the enclosuer there in is perfect size for them and as you said there well cared for and in perfect health.
As i said i dont see any problem with people keeping exotic pets once there needs are properly met and alot of research is done!
The one thing i do disagree with is in ireland we have no regulations regarding animals e.g. a 12 year old can bring in a salt water croc and once its housed properly he can keep it, absolute maddness, and then if he wants a dog he has to pay 12.50 for a licence, and dogs are still the most abused animal in the country, where does all the 12.50's go?
There should be some sort of licenceing that proves your a competent pet owner like the DWA over in the uk.
PJones can i ask why you put up that pic, its like if someone was thinking about getting a dog would you put up a pic of someone that has been mauled by a dog.

Weidii

This will probably just stir an argument, but I want to get my word in anyway.

I just don't understand why, when people see a cute animal, they have to have one. Why not help them by donating to a charity or raising awareness? If you're interested enough in them you could even study zoology and eventually end up working with them. You could even save yourself the hassle of having to pay for them and look after them for years by visiting them in a zoo or sanctuary instead of opting to obtain one as a pet.

Note: Dogs and cats are an exception as they have evolved to be domesticated and to take advantage of people who are willing to care for them.

Sigma Force

Monkeys do bite and are more likely to bite than a cat or dog they are a WILD animal at the end of the day and as they mature can become more difficult. Owners need a huge understanding of them and cages and small enclosures are a joke they should not be kept in anything of the sort if you cannot provide an enclosure similar in size and with the appropriate things like safe plants, climbing ropes etc. then totally not suitable as a pet.

Tbh it's hard to know where to draw the line after all a guinea pig is an exotic and tbh they require more specialist care than people would normally think they just aren't given it in many cases. I can see why people have the more exotic of exotics and can see the attraction but people need to be very aware of the trade in exotic birds and other animals, it's hugely widespread horrific and cruel, you need to ask where the animals have come from in the first place some dealers will lie and many exotics end up needing a new home because owners can't cope esp. as an animal matures and grows.

Take terrapins for example, they seem to becoming more popular again, but have people forgotten how huge they get. Have people forgotten how large a python can get, how potentially aggressive or bored a monkey can become.
How a bird can easily end up mutilating itself out of boredom or frustration and then it becomes a habit from your humble budgie to your macaw they are so demanding and need a lot more care than you would think.
Do people realise how long some of these animals live, that they need to put them in their will that zoos are at this stage full of unwanted pets.

I could go on and on.

Look, at the end of the day this has to stop because we haven't yet gotten a grip on how to look after our dogs and cats I think us Irish need to go back to basics just look at all the posts of people who have trouble with a basic dog or cat issue people do not research the animals properly before they get them. I have people contacting me saying they have done a lot of research before they get a pet, then get the pet, then turns out their research didn't even cover the basics.

I get this all the time and this is for guinea pigs and rabbits, while I do feel encrouraged when people ask for information it's great that people are interested and willing to make an effort but if they can't grasp the basics of a common household pet how can they grasp something more complicated like a monkey.

There seems to be a new fad..again for exotics and it's very worrying just have to sit back and wait a year or two and there will be lots of posts of people looking to rehome their animal because it's too big etc.
The 90s was full of this snakes and other reptiles and spiders were big and then all of a sudden people wanted rid, not only that they wanted rid of the food source so had lots of rats and mice looking for somewhere to go.

I wonder who will clean up the mess in a few years time, most rescues are already finding it hard to cope with people who can't cope with one single pet in their household.

I give up.

votejohn

Vinnie K wrote: »

Its only cruel and selfish if there needs arent properly met.

There needs include being in their natural habitat, with their families, in the wild.

I have a degree in Zoology.

I think its cruel because they are extremely inteligent animals, and I dont think it is right to have them locked up, or made conform / behave in ways against their instinct.

I think its selfish because, as said above, if you love these WILD animals, why not buy dvds about them, visit wildlife centres, or donate to help save / rehabilitate / protect them!!

Vinnie K

votejohn wrote: »

There needs include being in their natural habitat, with their families, in the wild.

I have a degree in Zoology.

I think its cruel because they are extremely inteligent animals, and I dont think it is right to have them locked up, or made conform / behave in ways against their instinct.

I think its selfish because, as said above, if you love these WILD animals, why not buy dvds about them, visit wildlife centres, or donate to help save / rehabilitate / protect them!!

Simply, our opinions are different! I said if there needs are met and people do there research i dont see a problem with it, being in a zoo isnt being in there natural habitat but its made to be like it, some people can also offer this type of set up. I also said i believe there should be some sort of licensing like the dwa to make sure these types of animals only go to competent owners and are capable of meeting there needs. I didnt say they should be locked up and made behave in ways against there natural instinct. Some animals are very difficult to do this with due to the time, space and money needed to care for them, but again if all of there needs are met including the above mentioned, i dont see a problem.
I love watching the likes of monkeys, the way they move, eat and are so curious is brilliant but would i keep them, no, because as it stands i no i couldnt meet all there needs.

carwash_2006

I also think that exotic animals that live for more than 5-10 years and/or grow very large are less likely to have their needs properly met for the full of their life. Even well meaning owners have little control over a situation where their circumstances change or when somebody dies. So many of these fantastic animals start off not too bad, but as time goes by conditions worsen.

Also a lot of these animals are quite sweet when they are young, but when they reach sexual maturity they become a totally different kettle of fish. People don't realize that the behaviour will change and cannot cope when it does.

I also do not get why people would want to own one of these creatures, I find them much more interesting to observe in their natural surroundings with their natural family groups.

davecomedy

howdy,

1st and foremost the petshop in mention did have crocs and had a 18foot snake, but have gone in the last few months. crocs use to be in town just to clear that up.

the monkeys are grand, and are pets not for sale. also they wouldnt get them unless they could care for them.

thats just my feeling from dealing with them.

also ive heard of the bites been sevre to be honest, and the photo may of been to help future monkey owners, im not sure tho.

Our man in Havana

There are no restrictions on people owning any animals - that is a sad fact as most people should not get exotics without doing the proper research.

First to answer what guineapig rescue said about wild caught birds - this is now illegal in Europe & has been for over a year now - which is why birds are now so much more expensive & should be a much better quality.

Secondly owning any pet takes time & care - people know I have exotics & yes I still have primates in my life - currently a baby red bellied tamarin who was only hand reared when his dad died & mum stopped looking after him. He is a total baby - but I know this will change & as soon as I can locate a female who is parent reared & at least a year old - he will be in an outside aviary that is heated. He also needs to be vaccinated before he is housed outside.

Clare Bear

I have a degree in Zoology and studied Veterinary Nursing. I work in Dublin Zoo, believe me monkeys (any sort) are hard work. To get one just because they are cute and fluffy is the worst possible reason to get one. A couple of people on here have obviously done their research, have a love for their pets and can give them good homes but the majority of people would give them back after a week I guarantee, they're very hard work. As for selling them on Buy and Sell, I hope those sellers don't give them to just anyone.

Whispered

Clare Bear wrote: »

I have a degree in Zoology and studied Veterinary Nursing. I work in Dublin Zoo, .

I'm so jealous.

Glowing

Clare Bear wrote: »

A couple of people on here have obviously done their research, have a love for their pets and can give them good homes but the majority of people would give them back after a week I guarantee, they're very hard work.

The OP certainly hasn't done his research - he wants a pet 'monkey' - want to narrow that down a little?

lostinnappies

arent you ment to have a license to own a monkey? I could be wrong and be thinking of a different country:rolleyes:

lostinnappies

Clare Bear wrote: »

I have a degree in Zoology and studied Veterinary Nursing. I work in Dublin Zoo, believe me monkeys (any sort) are hard work. To get one just because they are cute and fluffy is the worst possible reason to get one. A couple of people on here have obviously done their research, have a love for their pets and can give them good homes but the majority of people would give them back after a week I guarantee, they're very hard work. As for selling them on Buy and Sell, I hope those sellers don't give them to just anyone.

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