Who supports FF or FG?

cavedave

Roughly 2/3 of people vote for FG and FF.
The policies and viewpoints of these parties are both moderately authoritarian right wing. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland
I and others I have asked have yet to find anyone who supports this view when tested. http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

Can any FF or FG supporters post how they score in this test?
I am not saying the moderately authoritarian right wing view is wrong but I would like people you support these parties to at least believe in their viewpoint.

PH01

cavedave wrote:

Roughly 2/3 of people vote for FG and FF.
The policies and viewpoints of these parties are both moderately authoritarian right wing.

I disagree.
FF and FG are, or would like to see themselves as, centralist parties. And so too are the PDs if they are honest with themselves.
Labour are just slightly left of center.
While SF and the Greens are leftist parties.

Khannie

I'd love to see some others take the test. Like cavedave, I've yet to meet anyone who actually scores to the right. As I said in another thread, I tested the test to make sure it was reasonably possible to score right wing, and it definitely is.

PH: FF and FG are right of centre, but right none the less (IMO anyway).

edit: For what it's worth, I scored:
Economic Left/Right: -1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

cavedave

I've yet to meet anyone who actually scores to the right.

I score to the right and know many people that do. I have yet to meet anyone who score non libertarian to the right though.

Victor Meldrew

Just did the report and i'm bang on centre leaning towards libertarian (but only a bit). Which is what I'd expect being a FG voter. Note, I think you'll find most FG and FF voters landing on the same or similar turf. It's not a belief issue, just the standard to which we hold our public representitives that distinguishes the parties.

Funny, I'm considered a bit right wing on many issues, but the questions in the survey were a bit "bland". I'd also be very skeptical of any survey which cites Robert Mugabe as having anything resembling a coherent, measurable political belief structure. Mugabe's a power mad kleptomaniac thug. end of story.

Khannie

Well...I'm glad some people are actually scoring to the right. Maybe it's a reflection of the people that I know that I haven't found people that score right wing.

Victor Meldrew wrote:

It's not a belief issue, just the standard to which we hold our public representitives that distinguishes the parties.

Can you elaborate on that a bit?

Victor

Khannie wrote:

Can you elaborate on that a bit?

FF are a purely populist party that will do pretty much anything to get elected. They are slow to rebuke errant members and reek of dishonesty, both in their promises and actions.

FG tend to be a bit more consistent, don't mind voicing the unpopular but right thing to do and are a lot more honest.

daveirl

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Victor Meldrew

Victor wrote:

FF are a purely populist party that will do pretty much anything to get elected. They are slow to rebuke errant members and reek of dishonesty, both in their promises and actions.

FG tend to be a bit more consistent, don't mind voicing the unpopular but right thing to do and are a lot more honest.

Thanks Victor, couldn't have put it better, and summs up the FG / FF divide.

luckat

A poll would be interesting. I don't support Fianna Fail - I don't want my country to be run by crooks. And I don't support Fine Gael - it would be like a whole government of National Teachers.

Khannie

daveirl wrote:

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Hahaha. Maybe. You're still pretty moderate though and probably not /that/ far off my views. I am only mildly unshaven. I think to be a real beardie, you need to be more than -3,-3.

Victor

Victor wrote:

FF are a purely populist party that will do pretty much anything to get elected.

FG tend to be a bit more consistent, don't mind voicing the unpopular but right thing to do and are a lot more honest.

Fianna Fail are a more popular party and usually get elected. Power corrupts.

Fine Gael are not as popular, usually in opposition, and accordingly are not really worth corrupting...

The_Minister

Deleted User wrote:

Fianna Fail are a more popular party and usually get elected. Power corrupts.

Fine Gael are not as popular, usually in opposition, and accordingly are not really worth corrupting...

Nail. Head. In councils where FG controlled the balence of power they were just as bad. Its just that FF tended to be in power more often.

cavedave

So still no one in the same quater as FG,FF? Does anyone else find this odd?

FF and FG are, or would like to see themselves as, centralist parties. And so too are the PDs if they are honest with themselves.
Labour are just slightly left of center.
While SF and the Greens are leftist parties.

It does not really matter what parties see themselves as so much as what their policies actually are.
If the vast majority of people are libertarian why do 66% of us vote for an authoritarian party?



Economic Left/Right: 2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

opa01_2000

I got an economic of -5.38 and Social of -5.69 and I have a beard. This leaves me more libertarian than the socialists.

How I would like to regulate Ryanair !!!

nollaig

ended up round the same place as Gandhi, so im happy:)

mikemac

Just took it.
Pfft.....you're all weak,soft liberals. .

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.08

JPA

I got:

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

Am I a hippy?

cavedave

Just took it.
Pfft.....you're all weak,soft liberals. .

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.08

Finally someone that thinks in the same quater as 66% of people vote.
The only explanation I have for this is that politicians want power and thus authority. This makes them more likely to be authoritarian.
This still does not explain why people vote for policies about personal freedom they do not support though.

mikemac

Cavedave, I think you'll be struggling to find more people with authoritarian views on boards.

I'm going to make a sweeping generalisation here but I'd imagine the majority of people on boards are young (<40) and have fairly modern and liberal views.
No poll on boards will come remotly close to the real election result

cavedave

Cavedave, I think you'll be struggling to find more people with authoritarian views on boards.

I'm going to make a sweeping generalisation here but I'd imagine the majority of people on boards are young (<40) and have fairly modern and liberal views.
No poll on boards will come remotly close to the real election result

Fair point about boards not being a random sample.
As for modern and liberal, the ideas of the guys who signed the American declaration of Independence or of Thomas Paine, Bastiat before that are hardly particularly modern. If by liberal you mean left wing (welfare state etc) that is not what I am refering to either as I do know many right wing libertarians.

Boston

Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.31

Meh, the entire survey is bull. Theres no neutral option which would probably be the most popular option, and also people tend not to be consistently right or left complete. I was gearing up to be tatcher untill it hit questions relating to sex. Futher more it doesn't take into account how much people care about a topic. I may strongly agree with two things, but really only one or none are election issues for me, or take priority in my personal life.

Victor Meldrew

cavedave wrote:

If by liberal you mean left wing (welfare state etc) that is not what I am refering to either as I do know many right wing libertarians.

Fair point, I'd classify myself as a right wing libertatian but I land on labour's spot :eek:

the questions are too fuzzy and non specific vis a vis policy and legislation

Gillie

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

???

BeatNikDub

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85

Apparently im a libertarian.....

It doesnt explain the outcome much though

Glenbhoy

Economic Left/Right: -2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15

No beard, but a heavy stubble!

jem

-0.63, -1.03 staunch FF voter.

athtrasna

Am flummoxed I got

Economic Left/Right: -5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

But I've always considered myself to be just right of centre because of my law and order beliefs - now I'm practically Ghandi? Weird!!

Stark

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10

It seems I'm quite close to Ghandi on the chart (yay) but also somewhat between the Socialists and the Greens (nooo).

Dar

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46

Quite odd since I can't stand the Greens or Labour and find myself agreeing more with the ideology of the PDs (if only I trusted them they'd have my vote without any hesitation ).

The_Minister

I'm in FF or FG:eek:
I would be economically liberal ans socially liberal (PD).
That questionnaire is flawed.

They asked me if my rights were being excessively curbed for counter-terrorism. The answer is no, because I'm not american.