Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

6ix

This link was sent to me, and I think it's a fair commentary on the Madeleine case, and the hype that surrounds it.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3365/

mountainyman

6th wrote:

Whats a "few" to you?



Thats too far away but again I'll ask the question:

Why didnt they pay for a babysitter?!

The travel company was charging 12 euro an hour. Considering that Portugal is poor that is gouging. I hope Mark Warner travel goes bankrupt.
But why didn't they bring the kids with them. Portuguese don't mind.

Were Mark Warner travel negligent in not ensuring that suspicious characters were kept away from a resort which advertises itself as kid friendly.

MM

MM

RuggieBear

6ix wrote:

This link was sent to me, and I think it's a fair commentary on the Madeleine case, and the hype that surrounds it.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3365/

That's a far superior summation of my view than i could ever write.

6th

mountainyman wrote:

The travel company was charging 12 euro an hour. Considering that Portugal is poor that is gouging.

Portugal may be poor but the parents are not. They decided to save a bit of cash.

thebaz

sam34 wrote:

ah sure, everyone go on, let their kids out to play and wander unsupervised...if they get molested by a paedophile, sure who cares, at least you wont have been overprotective, irrational and stunted their social development.

JESUS H....

have you any sense of responsibility and any COP ON??????

interpret it that way if you want -- the world isn't full of paedos and molesters -- yes they exist , but the paranoid that this media saturation will lead to , could cause over protectionism -- maybe you should be blaming the real culprits, the abductors and paedos who actually took Madeline -- rather than have a go at me

thebaz

6th wrote:

No point he doesn't get it. Probably never will either.

thankfully no

whiskeyman

6ix wrote:

This link was sent to me, and I think it's a fair commentary on the Madeleine case, and the hype that surrounds it.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3365/

Super article.
Thanks for that.

thebaz

6ix wrote:

This link was sent to me, and I think it's a fair commentary on the Madeleine case, and the hype that surrounds it.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3365/

my last post on this topic is an extract from above link, put more eloquently than i can write

"When people’s public reactions are based on unthinking ersatz emotion, divorced from any real involvement with the family or the case, they can just as easily turn against the parents as in their favour - especially at a time when parent-bashing has become so much in vogue."

sam34

thebaz wrote:

maybe you should be blaming the real culprits, the abductors and paedos who actually took Madeline -- rather than have a go at me

i'll reiterate- i think the parents have to take some of the blame. fact is, if thay had been with their children at 9.30 that night, instead of having left them alone, then madeleine would not have been abducted. the parents made no provisions to have someone mind their three children, despite the easy availability of babysitting services. abductors will prey an easy targets and vulnerable kids, and due to the parents irresponsibility, thats unfortunately what madeleine was.

Gran Hermano

Maybe I'm the only one who'd like to see the sprog found and then taken from
the parents and homed with responsible adults who might actually perform
their proper duties and not neglect their kids. Wonder if the good 'christian'
parents are still popping out for dinner over recent nights and leaving the
twins on their own. The media harks on about the fact they were only
across the complex - they've glossed over the massive flowerbed and hedge
which inital reports showed not only were the kids out of earshot but the
apartment was out of sight. Disgraceful parenting.

Catari Jaguar

Today's paper claims 454 children in the UK have gone missing SINCE Maddy was abducted. Yes. 454. Go find them.

vorbis

thebaz wrote:

my last post on this topic is an extract from above link, put more eloquently than i can write

"When people’s public reactions are based on unthinking ersatz emotion, divorced from any real involvement with the family or the case, they can just as easily turn against the parents as in their favour - especially at a time when parent-bashing has become so much in vogue."

Thats a very interesting point. The determination of some people to have a right go at the parents is a touch unnerving. Who is it for? You can't make the parents feel worse than they already do. People seem more upset at the parents than the actual kidnappers! :eek:

Statistically, the chances of ANYTHING bad happening to the kids was tiny. You may not like the idea of leaving kids on their own for 30 minutes but its not inherently dangerous. There is simply no evidence to back up the notion that large numbers of accidents happen to kids left on their own for short periods.

ejmaztec

Strange how some of the people on this thread criticise the media coverage, saying that it's only in the forefront because the McCanns are middle-class professionals. If you read the rest of the following article, some of which is quoted here, you might have a different opinion.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1779638.ece

_______________________________________________________________

"Determination has always been a hallmark of the McCanns. They are both high-achievers from working-class families, she from Liverpool, he from Glasgow. Mrs McCann studied medicine at the University of Dundee, qualified as an anaesthetist, then retrained as a GP because the work would be easier to combine with motherhood.

Her husband was the youngest of five children of Irish immigrants. His father was a joiner; his mother worked in a biscuit factory. He went on to study medicine at the University of Glasgow, became Scotland’s under19 1,500 metres running champion and briefly dabbled in sports medicine. It was through contacts that he made working with Scotland’s under21 football team that Cristiano Ronaldo and John Terry were persuaded to issue appeals for Madeleine. Yesterday David Beckham lent his voice to the cause"

________________________________________________________________

Perhaps after all of these achievements, they thought that it was always going to be onward and upwards.

The ostensibly middle-class true-blue British holiday-maker would have had a nanny without any hesitation. They would have invested much time and money in their offspring and would make certain that they weren’t going to lose that investment for the sake of a few quid. Perhaps the McCanns, given their background, would have had it in their genes not to be extravagant by handing over "large" sums to baby-sitters.

I know that Sky news is a crock-o-s**** at the best if times, but when some criticise the relevance of “British” news in Ireland, perhaps it could be considered that both parents have got more relatives here than in the UK. Also, you can bet your bottom dollar that the strong Irish community in the UK has been instrumental in getting the news out for these people.

Perhaps the headline should have been “Poor people climb out of the gutter, make good, make mistake and get shafted”

Personally, I would never - and have never left my kids on their own in that situation, basically because I don’t trust anyone with a pulse, no matter who they are (wife excluded, of course)!

Terry

Normally I'm the first person to tell other to read the whole thread before replying, but I have failed to do so in this case.
As a result i will just say this:
They should not have left the child on her own.
Whether the kidnapper is deranged, mentally ill or just plain old psychotic, parents have a responsibility toi care for the children they bring into this world.
Checking the room every half hour is just not good enough.

melekalikimaka

couldn't give a monkeys really. its one girl in a world where there are alot more important issues going on then this malarky. bloody bebo is getting flooded with skins based on her too, cry me a bloody river!

Capt'n Midnight

Lil Kitten wrote:

Today's paper claims 454 children in the UK have gone missing SINCE Maddy was abducted. Yes. 454. Go find them.

there are about 11 million children in the UK
about 7 are killed each year by strangers more or less constant over the last 25 years

Terry

sweet. I killed a thread.
About time.

Saintly

Interesting thread, some of the more negative comments are VERY simplistic.

Any publicity for ANY missing child helps more than just the kid on tv. In a case like the McCanns, criminal behavioural analysts/psychologists will be work closely with the family and the police - using the media as a communication tool with the abductor. The ways statements are made, shaped, language used etc - are all techniques employed to help resolve the case. In addition, media publicity and associated public interest can ultimately causes shifts in policies - protecting vast numbers of children - just look at the US and various legislative/policy changes brought in - the Amber alert system, Megan's law etc as an example of this. So for all those who complain about other kids being ignored, one high profile case can benefit many powerless children.

I don't know how many of you have been unfortunate enough to view photographic or video evidence of child sexual abuse (I have in my line of work). Some people here might revise their opinions if they had. CSA is one of the finest examples of the triumph of evil over innocence. Many of the victims remain nameless, unknown. When we do know a child is at risk, when there may be a benefit to ample publicity, you take it, you grab it and you run with it. People are right. Other children are missing, other children remain voiceless. Madeleine McCann is one of them at the moment, she doesn't deserve any less attention, just because her fellow victims lack it. If this is a CSA case, this is NOT the perpretators first offence. Other children will have been harmed by him in the past (possibly lesser offences) and if uncaptured, others will be seriously harmed/killed in future - as his range of crime escalates. Finding Madeleine, dead or alive, will ultimately protect other children.

With regard to the criticism of the parents. UK and Irish law do not stipulate an age when a child can be left alone (there are also recorded cases of an intruder killing/ removing a child while the parents are sleeping - if the intruder was determined to have Madeleine, the frightening reality is that the parents sleeping presence may not have been a deterent- children as old as 14/15 have been harmed in their own home with parents in the same house.) Given the fact that the parents were 50 metres away and checked on the children every 30 minutes, social services would not proceed with a neglect notification. Personally, I would not leave young children of the McCann ages alone, however general guidelines from voluntary child protection agencies stipulate that children under 12 should never be left alone. Wonder how many people on this thread adhere to that?

Before everyone beats the McCanns with the bad parenting stick, take a look at your own parenting mates. How many parents do you know who take their kids to an Irish wedding and let them sleep alone in the hotel room, while Mum and Dad attack the bar? Or drive the kids home the following morning, while well over the limit? Most children are abused by someone within the family/peer circle. Think of children you know who go to sleepovers - when parents are mere acquaintances- children who are dropped off at activities alone - eight and nine year olds who spend a half hour at home before Mum/Dad get back from work, young children playing away from home (distances significantly longer distance than 50 metres and with less supervision than occured in Portugal), who check on them every half hour or so.... Presumably, these parents do not expect their child to be assaulted or abducted either.

Finally, there are choices in news coverage. The BBC is not even using the McCann as a lead story (it's not even a headline on their website.). Sky News thrives on popular dramatic news stories - watching it for comprehensive news coverage is like ignoring The Irish Times and complaining about the election coverage in The Sun.

Saintly

HashSlinging

Very well said.

fatboypee

melekalikimaka wrote:

couldn't give a monkeys really. its one girl in a world where there are alot more important issues going on then this malarky. bloody bebo is getting flooded with skins based on her too, cry me a bloody river!

Really, quite sums it up doesn't it.

self-obssessed, bordering sociopathic.....

pretty fkking normal commentary on this thread at this stage :rolleyes:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

what exactly is your problem with the statement 'there are alot more important things going on in the world'?

just for a few examples, darfur, mogadishu, gaza (although I think the fighting there stopped late last night.. don't remember), There's a new lost out last night

all kinds of things that are far more important and relevant to our lives and to the lives of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people than one missing white girl with careless parents, whatever sky tells you.

HashSlinging

And what are you "Mordeth" doing about darfur, mogadishu, gaza hmm nothing - ignore this guy he's a troll.

Speedway

i can't even believe this thread of is up it sickens me. a little girl is missing, if it was your child and you heard someone say "I'm sick of hearing about this" what would your reaction be.

imagine waking up every morning wondering if your child is in pain and suffering or being molested crying for her parents.

sorry but I think you're one pathetic piece of Sh*t to start this thread. if it bothers you that much then turn off the tv.

Marksie

Saintly wrote:

Interesting thread, some of the more negative comments are VERY simplistic.

Any publicity for ANY missing child helps more than just the kid on tv. In a case like the McCanns, criminal behavioural analysts/psychologists will be work closely with the family and the police - using the media as a communication tool with the abductor. The ways statements are made, shaped, language used etc - are all techniques employed to help resolve the case. In addition, media publicity and associated public interest can ultimately causes shifts in policies - protecting vast numbers of children - just look at the US and various legislative/policy changes brought in - the Amber alert system, Megan's law etc as an example of this. So for all those who complain about other kids being ignored, one high profile case can benefit many powerless children.

I don't know how many of you have been unfortunate enough to view photographic or video evidence of child sexual abuse (I have in my line of work). Some people here might revise their opinions if they had. CSA is one of the finest examples of the triumph of evil over innocence. Many of the victims remain nameless, unknown. When we do know a child is at risk, when there may be a benefit to ample publicity, you take it, you grab it and you run with it. People are right. Other children are missing, other children remain voiceless. Madeleine McCann is one of them at the moment, she doesn't deserve any less attention, just because her fellow victims lack it. If this is a CSA case, this is NOT the perpretators first offence. Other children will have been harmed by him in the past (possibly lesser offences) and if uncaptured, others will be seriously harmed/killed in future - as his range of crime escalates. Finding Madeleine, dead or alive, will ultimately protect other children.

With regard to the criticism of the parents. UK and Irish law do not stipulate an age when a child can be left alone (there are also recorded cases of an intruder killing/ removing a child while the parents are sleeping - if the intruder was determined to have Madeleine, the frightening reality is that the parents sleeping presence may not have been a deterent- children as old as 14/15 have been harmed in their own home with parents in the same house.) Given the fact that the parents were 50 metres away and checked on the children every 30 minutes, social services would not proceed with a neglect notification. Personally, I would not leave young children of the McCann ages alone, however general guidelines from voluntary child protection agencies stipulate that children under 12 should never be left alone. Wonder how many people on this thread adhere to that?

Before everyone beats the McCanns with the bad parenting stick, take a look at your own parenting mates. How many parents do you know who take their kids to an Irish wedding and let them sleep alone in the hotel room, while Mum and Dad attack the bar? Or drive the kids home the following morning, while well over the limit? Most children are abused by someone within the family/peer circle. Think of children you know who go to sleepovers - when parents are mere acquaintances- children who are dropped off at activities alone - eight and nine year olds who spend a half hour at home before Mum/Dad get back from work, young children playing away from home (distances significantly longer distance than 50 metres and with less supervision than occured in Portugal), who check on them every half hour or so.... Presumably, these parents do not expect their child to be assaulted or abducted either.

Finally, there are choices in news coverage. The BBC is not even using the McCann as a lead story (it's not even a headline on their website.). Sky News thrives on popular dramatic news stories - watching it for comprehensive news coverage is like ignoring The Irish Times and complaining about the election coverage in The Sun.

Saintly

Totally sums it up.
Very eloquently put.

Speedway

melekalikimaka wrote:

couldn't give a monkeys really. its one girl in a world where there are alot more important issues going on then this malarky. bloody bebo is getting flooded with skins based on her too, cry me a bloody river!

hope to god you never actually have a child.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

HashSlinging wrote:

And what are you "Mordeth" doing about darfur, mogadishu, gaza hmm nothing - ignore this guy he's a troll.

and what are you doing about 'maddie'? apart from watching the gripping 'news' coverage on sky and bleating on here about what a tragedy it is that this poor, adoreable little white girl is missing.

coloured people don't matter, you heard it from hashslinging first.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Speedway wrote:

hope to god you never actually have a child.

why? what exactly about his statement leads you to believe he would be a bad parent? what happens to this girl is not news, it's a personal tragedy for this family but not for us. Whatever happens it will have absolutely no effect on the population here at large, it is meaningless, it is tabloid and it is nothing to do with us. It's for the parents, the police and the abductor to sort out.

The rest of us can learn a bit from this experience, but not to the extent that we need to see it on tv every ten ****ing minutes.

scojones

Speedway banned for personal abuse.

Rozabeez

Does nobody else feel that with the amount of attention this incident has gotten from the media/the world, that the kidnapper is more than likely to "dispose of" the child rather than risk being caught with her?

stovelid

Lil Kitten wrote:

Today's paper claims 454 children in the UK have gone missing SINCE Maddy was abducted. Yes. 454. Go find them.

The case has struck a chord for some reason, a lot of it is media led.

Saying that people care about this = don't care about other cases is lazy and like the OP, just making a point for the sake of it.

county

Rozabeez wrote:

Does nobody else feel that with the amount of attention this incident has gotten from the media/the world, that the kidnapper is more than likely to "dispose of" the child rather than risk being caught with her?

thats a very valid point and thats probably whats happened

fatboypee

Mordeth wrote:

why? what exactly about his statement leads you to believe he would be a bad parent? what happens to this girl is not news, it's a personal tragedy for this family but not for us. Whatever happens it will have absolutely no effect on the population here at large, it is meaningless, it is tabloid and it is nothing to do with us. It's for the parents, the police and the abductor to sort out.

The rest of us can learn a bit from this experience, but not to the extent that we need to see it on tv every ten ****ing minutes.

Forgive me, if I'm taking your point out of context, but it does come down to this piece does it not : "it's a personal tragedy for this family but not for us."

Isn't that what this is all about ? Your day being disrupted by this event?

I'm outta here on this thread, I am simply gobsmacked by the lack of caring and compassion that has been shown here and it saddens me deeply to see such posts as are on this thread.

Perhaps the news services will grant the collective wish and close down the coverage. Perhaps then the people so annoyed at being disrupted can continue their voyeuristic observance of the world from the safe distance unconcerned and remaining unaffected by other people's tragedies..


FBP.

mountainyman

fatboypee wrote:

Perhaps the news services will grant the collective wish and close down the coverage. Perhaps then the people so annoyed at being disrupted can continue their voyeuristic observance of the world from the safe distance unconcerned and remaining unaffected by other people's tragedies.

God nice line in dimwitted self righteousness. Children die all over the world every day. Children whose deaths are preventable. If the media concentrated on these in the same way as 'Our Maddy' (her family called her Madeleine) other children might not in the same way the next day and the day after that.

That said I don't agree that it is all over the news. It seems to be the 5th story on the news.

MM

sam34

Speedway wrote:

imagine waking up every morning wondering if your child is in pain and suffering or being molested crying for her parents.
QUOTE]

well they should have reduced the possibility of that happening by not leaving their kids alone. its not rocket science. its responsible parenting.

Gran Hermano

Speedway wrote:

imagine waking up every morning wondering if your child is in pain and suffering or being molested crying for her parents.

Imagine you're 3 years old almost 4, you wake up in a strange room in your holiday apartment and there's some dodgy bloke about to abduct you.
And to make it worse your parents are off down the pub and wont be back for 30 minutes.

sam34

Gran Hermano wrote:

Imagine you're 3 years old almost 4, you wake up in a strange room in your holiday apartment and there's some dodgy bloke about to abduct you.
And to make it worse your parents are off down the pub and wont be back for 30 minutes.

touche gran. well said.

ntlbell

Why are you continue to argue the fact the parents were right/wrong to leave the child, it's a compltley different issue.

The Issue is are the media paying too much attention to one single abduction case when hundreds if not thousands have happened in the uk,europe and all over the world since this child was abducted.

The fact she was or wasn't should or shouldn't of been left alone has nothing to do with the OP's question.

HashSlinging

Mordeth wrote:

and what are you doing about 'maddie'? apart from watching the gripping 'news' coverage on sky and bleating on here about what a tragedy it is that this poor, adoreable little white girl is missing.

coloured people don't matter, you heard it from hashslinging first.

Wow bitter bitter words spoken like a true professional, FYI I dont watch sky news, I prefer euronews.

Actually you seem to do all the "bleating" here, I seem to remember another thread you had other mumblings on not so long ago about "Being childless and happy", you wernt very positive then either, whats wrong did mummy not get you your Nintendo DS lite for your birthday?? would you like some salt on that chip.

HashSlinging

Saintly wrote:

Interesting thread,Saintly

What Saintly said was very good but most made a choice to ignore it.

Mossy Monk

HashSlinging wrote:

whats wrong did mummy not get you your Nintendo DS lite for your birthday?? would you like some salt on that chip.

Personal insults. The end of any stupid arguement.

HashSlinging

Regarding people as racists dosent help does it, but ignore that comment, just hop on the anti- Missing Madeline band wagon.

So we're all racists people, because we want Madeline to be found.

fatboypee

mountainyman wrote:

God nice line in dimwitted self righteousness

self rigteousness ?

Nope, I've got a kid about the same age as the one thats missing, regardless of all the pontificating bullsh't, mudslinging and kangaroo court appearances, to me, the essential point here and remains the fact that the GIRL WAS ABDUCTED, THE GIRL IS STILL MISSING and essentially, all people are bleating on about now is the fact that the coverage should'nt F'ing continue.

My point is simply if that's ALL you wanna focus on, then Good luck to you ! I'll keep my self righteouness thanks, at least where theres some compassion there's some feeling.

Something appearingly devoid here.:mad:

Mossy Monk

Pointless ramblings. Who here is a racist? Seems to me you are taking what people are saying and twisting it to suit yourself.

HashSlinging

Well according to a number of posters here since people who are interested in the story "Missing Madeline" on sky they are "apparently" not taking any notice of the other world affairs example "darfur, mogadishu, gaza" so therefore black people "just" dont matter. That what I've picked up anyway, maybe im missing something here.

I seem to remember a tsunami a couple of years ago, where millions of people who watched sky news donated millions of euros to help the survivors.

Snake Plisken

Well this anti maddy stuff is probably coming from folks with no kids to worry about, If it was my daughter I'd be doing my best to keep it in the media, although her parents have to take some of the blame for leaving her and the twins alone, and to make it worse they were both doctors who I'm sure weren't short a bob or two and could have got a childminder to look after them or something. but nobody seems to be putting the blame on the parents. I know I wouldn't leave my kids out of my sight when on Holidays. I do hope they find her ok and unharmed but as the days go on I doubt that will happen.

Snake

ntlbell

fatboypee wrote:

self rigteousness ?

Nope, I've got a kid about the same age as the one thats missing, regardless of all the pontificating bullsh't, mudslinging and kangaroo court appearances, to me, the essential point here and remains the fact that the GIRL WAS ABDUCTED, THE GIRL IS STILL MISSING and essentially, all people are bleating on about now is the fact that the coverage should'nt F'ing continue.

My point is simply if that's ALL you wanna focus on, then Good luck to you ! I'll keep my self righteouness thanks, at least where theres some compassion there's some feeling.

Something appearingly devoid here.:mad:

Why do you feel compelled to tell us you have a daughter of the same age?

What has it got to do with anything? You can relate to their pain more than someone who doesn't? it excuses the fact like lots of other sheep around Ireland and the UK are getting caught up in hype that the silly news papers and sky news creates?

The point is people go missing every single day, it's not a rare occourance, one case doesn't deserve more press coverage than other.
It's not about being cold hearted or not showing some compassion with the familiy.

An idiot eastenders/corrination st watching moron harping on about the pain the familiy must feel why enjoying the over all drama being sensationalised by sky != compassion

ejmaztec

Usually, the media only works for itself, but on this occasion, due mainly to the family, friends and contacts of the McCanns pushing it for all they are worth, the media has also been put to work for them. Had there not been all of the background stuff going on, the press would have gone to sleep a week ago.

thebaz

scojones wrote:

Speedway banned for personal abuse.

Why ??

seams ridiculously harsh !

HashSlinging

seconded.

sham69

If its bothering you change the channel.
I think some of the comments have been very harsh.
A child has been kidnapped and could be dead.
The arguement is there that this happens every few seconds etc but whats gives someone the right to start a rant about it.
I just hope nothing bad ever happens to you or your loved ones and that you ever need to rely on the public for their help.
I think this thread should be closed..........