Dobies and rots and other breeds

Lou.m · 14-05-2007 5:07pm #1

Hi

I just wanted to share a story from my childhood.

Now dont get me wrong i love dobies and rotweilers but i just had to share this. When i was young our neighbours had a rotweiler and another mixed heavy breed. They were quite vicious to the point that as a child i could not go near the part of our garden that was near theirs as the dogs would go insane and the fence was not that stable. We noticed that the dogs were quite good with the owner but had some problems they were never exercised and never seemed to be taken out i assume this is becasue they were not socialised or something.

Obviously people would complain to the owners not just about the dogs behaviour but that this was not the way to treat such dogs and that they needed some help especially in a neighbourhood with so many children. But the response was very antisocial.

Then the owner became pregnant and the first thing she did was get rid of the dogs they realized that they could not have their children around them as it would be too dangerous but for some reason it was fine to have other peoples children upset by them. SO they knew there was a problem but did not care about their dogs or other people i cannot think who would have takemn those dogs and i would not be surprised if they just gave them to the pound.

Now to contrast i want to tell another story. My aunt had a huge german shepard (another breed sometimes considered dangerous) but he was socialised and trained and well used to all types of people. And as i little girl i felt so comfortable with him i used to try to ride him like a pony.(now dont accuse me of cruelty i was tiny and he loved it!). He was my favourite dog and you never met a happier Doggie. I never really even knew that other people considered german sheps to be a potentially difficult breed at all until recently.Actually i kind of thought that they were known for being really good with kids. I just see them as cuddly as i am some people see dobies and rots.

But i just wanted to show the two stories and to tell people what can happen to dogs. It wasnt even that my aunt trained him very much it was more being in a sensible happy home and being socialized and a little training.

I was wondering what other people thought.

Nala · 14-05-2007 5:29pm

I think in most cases, dangerous dogs are made not born.

shinners007 · 14-05-2007 10:09pm

its never a dogs fault its the owners, how they train them, handle them are for them etc. i agree with nala.

cowzerp · 15-05-2007 5:57pm

rottys and dobey are natural guards and wont tolerate strangers on there patch, my rotty is great with everyone once he does not see you as an intruder-thats why i love my rotty-great guard and pet..my dogs socialised though..

Alfasudcrazy · 15-05-2007 9:34pm

My bobies and sheepdog are doing a great job keeping election cavnassers away. There was a posse of them outside the gate this evening but they decided to beat a hasty retreat when the female dobie let it be known she is not interested in this election.

Lou.m · 16-05-2007 8:24pm

Ok thats it i want a dobie NOW!

cold_filter · 17-05-2007 12:08pm

Its all in how they are raised, my german shepherd is a big mean looking dog, but he's a teddy bear, he loves children and he loves my gf now if we are out walking she goes to the shop or disapears from view he will wait for her to re-appear before walking forward. Kids are amazed at how friendly he is.

There is a rotty up the road a huge monster and vicious his owner is an ex-junkie so i dread to think what he's like i'm fortunate enough never to have bumped into him while walking my dog as he always has it off the lead and unmuzzled

biko · 17-05-2007 12:11pm

Rotweiler
Doberman
Pitbull
all should be illegal in Ireland in my opinion. Sure I know other dogs can be dangerous too but these seems to be the biggest offenders and are bred to kill. They are skanger dogs used to intimidate other people.

Nala · 17-05-2007 12:33pm

The reason you only hear about dog attacks from Dobermanns, pitbulls etc is because The Sun, The Star etc aren't able to generate as much hysteria with "Golden Retriever mauls girl" as a headline. The only breeds I have ever been snapped at by were a Lhasa Apso, a Cocker Spaniel and a Jack Russell. Unfortunately I do not write for a tabloid newspaper.

The dogs themselves are not dangerous, but a lot of the people that buy them are 16 year old hard men who have no idea how to train them.

I mean a lot of the lads in my class had mopeds as status symbols but at least they come with instruction manuals...

michelleans · 17-05-2007 12:42pm

No dog breeds should be banned. Only the irresponsible dog owners that do not train or socialise them and make them dangerous should be banned from owning dogs.

I have a german shepherd also considered a "dangerous" breed :rolleyes: My dog loves all people, especially children and other dogs, he plays so gently with my budgie even. It's all about how you raise them. I've handled many many dogs - rottweilers german shepherds and dobermen included and never gotten bitten by one. However I have been bitten by terriers :cool:

Here's my baby

golden · 17-05-2007 4:28pm

You cant generalise like that when I was a kid my friends parents had a rotty and they were not "skangers" by the way we used to get up on its back and and ride it like a horse.

Looking back at it as an adult the rotty was extremely tolerant all the rotty wanted to do is to please.

Bex01 · 17-05-2007 4:47pm

biko thats the most stupid thing I've ever heard. I know loads of people with rottweilers and they are the most friendly dogs ever and the owners are not 'skangers'.

Michelleans your dog is gorgeous. I also own a German Shepherd.

fatmammycat · 17-05-2007 5:09pm

Skanger dogs? God, knee jerk reaction much? I"ve been chased by Jack Russells in the park near my house on more than one occasion and -hum let's see- NEVER by a doberman. In fact I can't even tell you the last time I heard or read anything about a doberman attacking a person in this country.

michelleans · 17-05-2007 5:23pm

Thank you

They are a wonderful breed

Nala · 17-05-2007 6:14pm

Any German Shepherd I've ever met was lovely. I think they're gorgeous. My dad thinks otherwise, says "they're vicious, they turn on their owners" cos apparently the GSD he had as a child was. However my dad's idea of dog keeping is to chain the dog up in the garden.

Our man in Havana · 17-05-2007 9:15pm

Please do your homework! Bull breeds were not bred to killers - they were used to protect families whilst the men were away at war! They often have the nick name of nursery dogs!

People make bad dogs! Tis very rare to have a nasty dog - if they are they have been trained that way or are so badly abused that they have a nervous breakdown & SNAP! Just like humans can!

My rottie is nicer than my terriers! Like Nala said the news plays up stories of KILLER DOGS! It happens very rarely! More people are bitten by little dogs! but the news are only interested in sensational headlines!

CrowdedHouse · 17-05-2007 9:32pm

I don't believe it,what did you do to the poor dog

Our adorable Lhasa Apsos - Hayley & Lucy

Lou.m · 17-05-2007 9:48pm

Well while i dont know about 'bad breeds' i do think there is such a thing as bad breeding that has made a lot of certain breeds unsafe.

I think breeding practises have a lot to answer for aswell as bad owners.

Nala · 24-05-2007 12:51am

I was only a kid, he belonged to a girl in my class, there were loads of kids around him and next thing he turned around and snapped! He was probabl a bit stressed.

corkimp · 24-05-2007 1:14am

There are only bad dogs because of owners who haven't a clue about trainging their dogs or socialising them correctly and think it is "cool" to have an aggressive dog - makes them look macho withthick check chains on them. I admit when I was younger I was afraid of what was to become our GSD Amy's dad - Kesh (huge stocky fella!) and another male who were tidied up. I was only 8 or 9 and these dogs were nearly as tall as me. They'd run towards me and I was afraid because of their size. It took me a while (the owner grabbed one of them and told me to say hi) and I realised they were just delighted to see me - big babies! Just a bit hyper! I'm more afraid of terriers to be honest. I've never been bitten but wouldn't put myself in that situation either.
Don't judge the rotti's, dobbies and other dogs for fools mistakes - they are beautiful dogs ( I prefer dobbie though) as the majority bar maybe 0.5%, are brilliant pets and great with kids. Just have bad names - just like the GSD - what a bad education and knowledge of dogs does is leads to brilliant dogs being prejuiced against.

deaddonkey · 24-05-2007 10:28am

you're so wrong it isn't even funny

oh, let's ban a breed a dog because they look mean
i've met a lot of dogs, and i mean a lot of dogs, and i've not yet met a bad tempered 'dangerous dog'

but yeah, their sole function is to intimidate
you must be right

grantona · 21-04-2008 11:40am

Pay no attention to that nasty person, obviously this guy is a fool who knows nothing about animals or dogs. I have dobes a long time and train my dogs with rotts and gsds for police protection, obedience and tracking. I have yet to see a dangerous one they are protective dogs with intelligence that's it, you get one person like you who confuses (with teasing and incorrect training) the dog and you have a dangerous one.

Gsd is the most popular dog in Ireland registered with the ikc over 60,000 pups registered last year.
I am told how many bites? And remember how many of these dogs a trained guards by the army, Gardaí and security companies. One attack last year in Offaly by a rott because of an unstable owner mistreating the dogs she owned and not keeping dangerous animals under proper control, name one dob attack ever in Ireland?

There is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners. Get your facts straight before you publish such rubbish not backed up by facts.
The breed is not responsible for who's on the other end of the lead.

Our man in Havana · 21-04-2008 11:57am

Grantona, I have edited your post to remove insults which will not be tolerated on this board. This is your only warning. Next time infractions and bannings will follow.

Also in future please use proper punctuation and paragraphs. Otherwise you post is painful to read.

Glowing · 21-04-2008 12:31pm

I think westies should be banned. Aggressive little sh1ts.

Our man in Havana · 21-04-2008 12:51pm

Agreed!

Toulouse · 21-04-2008 1:23pm

I interact with lots of different types of dogs, mostly ones who are in the pound or ones who have just come out. I can honestly say that in the 18 months since I started I've only been snapped at once and that was by a shih tzu x. Not one staffie, rotti, GSD, pitbull, doberman or any crosses of those breeds has even growled at me and god knows there's many many more of those in the pounds than the smaller dogs.

I think it's really sad when people, who in many cases have never even met one of the breed they are prejudiced against, label all dogs of a particular breed 'Killers' due to sensationalist newspaper reporting, fear and ignorance and call for them to be banned.

Why not call for stricter dog ownership and breeding laws to really get to the centre of this problem which is imo the people who abuse these breeds.

andreac · 21-04-2008 1:28pm

I own a rottie and he is the biggest softie ever!!!!
AND THEY WERE NOT BRED TO KILL!!!!!!!
They were actually bred as a working dog, herding cattle
but if people did their research they would not post such stupid comments.

It maddens me when people havent a clue about these breed and generalise all those dogs as dangerous and viscous. My fella has the best temperament ever, and loves kids and all dogs, he is an absolute ambassador for the breed.

So please people get your facts straight before posting such comments.

There are actually nmore attacks by other breeds but they are never highlighted as it wouldnt make good press!!

The Artist · 21-04-2008 1:41pm

those breeds or any other breed of dog can be dangerous only the owners are to the blame imo.Care,trained,looked after,walks,food and water,play with them,disapline of your dogs will make them excellent dogs.If not cared,not trained,left in the back garden all day with out water and food,no walks,no time for ye dog and no love for dog will make them dangerous imo.

lakes · 21-04-2008 7:48pm

Biko!!! YOU ARE CRAZY MAN!!!, NO dog should be banned!! just thier should be some sort of law of wat age a person can be to own one,to keep these dogs away from young wannabe thugs! I own a staffy & she is the biggest softie iv ever known!

Ruby Soho · 21-04-2008 9:14pm

Like what Toulouse said, I also work with dogs, lots of different breeds, on a daily basis. The only breed that I have seen to be consistently unmanageable are Westies (sorry to any westie owners out there, I have also seen some lovely ones!). Cocker spaniels, and JRT's are also up there, but like I said there are far more nice ones than nasty ones. I have never felt threatened by Staffies, Pit Bulls, Rotties or GSD's. They do take careful handling, I'll give you that, and respect, but once they get proper socialisation + management, they are fine. Personally I think the Staffie to be the friendliest and most trustworthy breed out there. Its a shame that the breed can't shake the association it has with some of the thuggish owners. I will say now that if I have kids, I would love to get them a Staffie as a playmate!!

cobweb · 21-04-2008 9:42pm

as stated dogs arent the problem its their owners, bad training care and lack of attention socialisation affects the dog. I ve got or should that read my folks ave 2 westies who are so obedient and loopy that the same time.

I think rotties and dobies have got bad press due to movies like The Omen etc and I also think that their tails shouldn't be docked as this is how they communicate and people misunderstand them without their tails. I saw a donnie recently with a full tail and he looked gorgeous!

michellans have i seen your lovely dog elsewhere he is gorgeous

Dobies and rots and other breeds

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