Ahern v Kenny tonight

cm2000

DaveMcG wrote:

Back on topic lads! Or else I'll tell the mods!

So Miriam was rockin tonight, agreed?

not bad for 8 kids goddamn

nesf

Stimpyone wrote:

What Q' s are you on about man?...

There were no questions just a string of statements.

Stark

Only managed to catch the last bit of it.

Thought Bertie won the gardaí debate round. Enda just started to piss me off with his "2,000 more gardaí" chant.
Thought Enda one the round on housing and planning. Got to love Bertie's "We're the only country to be building 2 metros" line. That's because all the other countries have had metros for decades you gob****e.
Thought Enda won the debate on schools as well.

Stimpyone

nesf wrote:

Public Private Partnership no? I don't remember exactly.



Eh, Dublin CC isn't the Government and the Government isn't directly responsible for their actions.



Matter for the courts, our courts and elected officials should be separate. It'll be a bad day when our elected representatives are changing Judge's verdicts.



Eh, they were possibly unethical, not illicit. A very big difference there. If they were illicit he wouldn't still be in office tbh.

Spot on that man..... and for what it's worth I'm a floating voter....

Giblet

maoleary wrote:

Oh OK, lets leave the poor aul rapists alone, and let the CCs do what they like.

Fu!k it, how could I be so silly :rolleyes:

So you don't want to answer your non existent questions? Maybe next time mate.

nesf

maoleary wrote:

Oh OK, lets leave the poor aul rapists alone, and let the CCs do what they like.

Fu!k it, how could I be so silly :rolleyes:

You're just trolling at this point.

cm2000

the doctrine of seperation of powers in the constitution says that the legislative and judicial branches of the government are seperate end of story

30txsbzmcu2k9w

Just unbelievable looking thorugh some of the posts how many people actually want to vote that ignoramous Ahern back in.It showed tonight.Pair him with McDowell again i could'nt bear to think of it

Started off on his usual ''im from a working class backround i'm the salt of the earth me'' rubbish again. Jaaaysus the auld ones at the fruit stalls 'll love him wha.

Then a load of nervous humble smiling to Miriam.Rubbish.He couldn't keep up that charade all night.nice try though Bertie... me auld flower wha

This man is born out of the corrupt Haughey regime.Fianna Fail are synonomous with corruption.There a bunch of cowboys.How many other ways can i put it.

It doesn't add up.The loans, the 'Personal friends', renovations on a new house for that ammount where exactly do FF supporters draw the line.There's alot of people in denial here.In denial of FF's history in corruption and the recent revelations.

All that aside Kenny raised some good points in the governments failures (too many to mention) but i feel he didn't capitalise on it.As someone previously mention, Richard Bruton would have destroyed Ahern.Pity.

funktastic

Everyone on Vincent Browne and people ringing in say Bertie won it.

Your Man

OPENROAD wrote:

So how often do you use the language? It should be about choice imo.

at the moment everyday cos im doing my leaving and hope to do irish at 3rd level.
In relation to the choice, do you think the majority of 15 year olds are well enough informed to make that decison?

Hugh_C

gandalf wrote:

Pretty dire from both of them.

Got to agree with you there, very very dull. The only positive thing is I can now put a face on the FG leader ...

And if either of them think that they're going to sway voters by talking each other down they've another think coming.

Last night's dogfight was way more interesting than this pair of codgers pedalling their wares. At least we all know that they're all underdogs, also rans and losers (PDs)

ballyarse

Stark wrote:

Only managed to catch the last bit of it.

Thought Bertie won the gardaí debate round. Enda just started to piss me off with his "2,000 more gardaí" chant.
Thought Enda one the round on housing and planning. Got to love Bertie's "We're the only country to be building 2 metros" line. That's because all the other countries have had metros for decades you gob****e.
Thought Enda won the debate on schools as well.

well due to population increases and the fact that there is so many commuters in and around large city areas the need has only arisen recently and if anyone feels the need has existed for some time then we simply have not been able to afford such an ambitious plan till now

OPENROAD

Your Man wrote:

at the moment everyday cos im doing my leaving and hope to do irish at 3rd level.
In relation to the choice, do you think the majority of 15 year olds are well enough informed to make that decison?

well they are expected to make choices on a whole range of subjects so why is Irish any different?

Hugh_C

funktastic wrote:

Everyone on Vincent Browne and people ringing in say Bertie won it.

How anyone can call winner or loser is beyond me. It's subjective, for me I still recall Bertie as Haughey's bagman and that doesn't engender a whole heap of trust. And the teflon is wearing a bit in patches. At least from tonight I can associate the beginnings of personality from EK whereas before I couldn't.

Swings and roundabouts, it's still too close to call.

funktastic

Rabbitte or Richard Bruton would have given Bertie a much more difficult time. Wrong man in charge of the alternative coalition.

OPENROAD

funktastic wrote:

Rabbitte or Richard Bruton would have given Bertie a much more difficult time. Wrong man in charge of the alternative coalition.

agree 100%. Pity.

Villain

at the end of the day will this debate have changed many peoples choice for their vote or get any undecided votes? I doubt it

nesf

funktastic wrote:

Rabbitte or Richard Bruton would have given Bertie a much more difficult time. Wrong man in charge of the alternative coalition.

Agreed 100%. If Bruton was at FG's helm I'd be a lot more tempted to back them tbh. Kenny just inspires no confidence in me I'm afraid. Ditto with Sergent vs Gormley. I much prefer Gormley.

funktastic

I'd say it could have changed quite a few, depending on age profile. The leaders debate was the highest rated TV programme (or one of them in 2002) so people who only tune in now and again to politics will have been looking in tonight and have had their mind changed.

Villain

Ah but how long did they stay tuned in for?

nesf

irish1 wrote:

at the end of the day will this debate have changed many peoples choice for their vote or get any undecided votes? I doubt it

I think it depends on what their opinions were going into it. It really is the kind of thing that people will take what they want from it. If you were floating but slightly leaning already to one side I think you could take enough from it to make up your mind on both sides. There were no major points scored but enough minor ones for people to muse about.

funktastic

Well a lot of it depends on who the media reports as having won it. As in, people who only watch a small clip and then talk to their friends the next day after reading a few columns of a tabloid.

Villain

Tabloids will probably call it a draw tbh

darkman2

Analysis is live now on RTE. (website too)

funktastic

Be interesting to see, a lot of people seem to be saying Bertie.

rubberduckey

Thought tonights debate only highlighted the fact that the two main parties in this country are extremely similar.

I think its how they arrange their potential coalition partners that will differentiate.

I guess thats why last nights debate was a lot more informative to a floating voter like myself.

anyway cheers to Miriam ...8 kids..deserves a medal, tax breaks etc etc...

daveirl

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Marathon Man

I should have watched Road Trip on rte 2.

highlight100

rubberduckey wrote:

Thought tonights debate only highlighted the fact that the two main parties in this country are extremely similar.

...

Perhaps they should consider forming a Government together.
One way of keeping the Shinners and Socialists out.

The_Minister

I said earlier it was a draw but, on reflection,I think that Bertie came off better.
Bertie beat Enda on crime (Enda was using old statistics, and any idiot knows that crime rises as population increases. Despite that, our crime rate per population is low, and Vertie showed that well)
Bertie won on health, finally nailing Enda on a point that Fine Gael had been dodging for far too long.
Bertie won on his personal finances, giving a credible sounding explanation for most of the questions.

Bertie came off best, as these were the areas that the Opposition was hoping to win on.