General Election Results for Waterford

Sully

To be honest, im disapointed with John Deasy. I now regret voting for him. I always wondered what he does, beside complain and get himself kicked of the front bench thanks to his stupidity (what a great muppet to elect).

Fine Gael have done very well with Enda Kenny as their leader, and have managed to secure a lot of seats compared to the last election. I voted them but I knew they wouldnt secure them as government but they have came a long way and improved a LOT. They are close with FF if you think about it now, and it goes to show that the party may not have got in government (yet anyway) but they sure as hell did an excellent job trying and got very far. If JD thinks hes getting leadership, he can go jump. That would be the worst ever for FG.

As for Brian OShea, I know many stories of him helping Waterford people out and he is the one TD for Waterford (besides Cullen) that has got results. He has helped me out on occasions before, and other members of my family. He has helped other friends and relations of mine out to. On a larger scale, I dont know what he does compared to Cullen. Its more like Cullen focus on Waterford and improving it and OShea does the job of helping out people who come to him looking for support.

Sully

|.Murderer.| wrote:

Michael Noonan left the party in total disarray! I'm not a FG supporter but I do think that Enda has done a good job in being able to claw back many of the seats they lost in the 2002 election. FF, PDs and SF have even complimented him on achieving it so I really don't know what John hopes to achieve by stirring ****!

Excellent post. You hit the nail exactly on the head.

I gave him a vote because I thought he might have realised he made a mistake and might shut up and that he might re-gain the trust. But, clearly not. He is yapping again, and has no chance in getting back to the front seat now. Its a bad day for Waterford, we have a FG TD who nobody will listen to.

Trotter

No use complaining now lads.. he hasnt even got home from the count centre celebrations and he's in the bad books already. Its not like he had no form as a big mouth before the election.

We all knew what he was like.. yet he strolled back in.

Waterford will never rock the boat or punish bad representation. In my opinion Mary Roche gave us a new option that was worth a try, and she was BS'd by loads of people saying she was the answer to a problem.

In true Waterford form, we showed we can be sh!t on and we'll still come back to wipe the ar$e that did it.

2 x FF, 1 FG, 1 Lab in 2012 , 2017 and for as long as it takes for us as Waterford people to get sense.

Im wondering actually..

Do Waterford people actually want a University or does a vocal minority care about it more than the rest?

I have some opinions on this but Im reserving them for now because I'd ps a lot of people off!

mike65

As for Brian OShea, I know many stories of him helping Waterford people out and he is the one TD for Waterford (besides Cullen) that has got results. He has helped me out on occasions before, and other members of my family. He has helped other friends and relations of mine out to

Is'nt this whats wrong with Irish politics though? You make him sound like a uber-town counciler. Maybe thats what he is.

Mike.

Junior

mike65 wrote:

Is'nt this whats wrong with Irish politics though? You make him sound like a uber-town counciler. Maybe thats what he is.

Mike.

But isn't that what they are all about at the end of the day, and it's up to the leader of the party/government to control them..

As for Deasy, if he was a tool, he'd have been useful for something, Enda Kenny has led one of the best FG elections in a long time, and yet he thinks he should go. Now I understand as much as the next man, how FG should strive for better, and should try to achieve more. However realistically what did Deasy deliver to FG in this election, he didn't even manage to bring in a second running mate, against two completely lame ducks from FF.

In some ways I'm glad FF are in power, with Cullen's election and a second seat, he's certainly going to be looking for a cabinet position again, on the other hand what would have happened if FG/Labour got in - Deasy certainly wouldn't be on the front bench.

On the results for Waterford, I do think we had the chance to elect a younger TD in the shape of Coffey or D'Arcy to keep the mouth of Deasy in check and not ruin Waterford in the eyes of the FG front bench. I didn't think Ollie would get back in, but at the end of the day it seems to have boiled down to what have you done for me lately ... And those in power etc..

fricatus

Sully wrote:

I gave him a vote because I thought he might have realised he made a mistake and might shut up and that he might re-gain the trust. But, clearly not. He is yapping again, and has no chance in getting back to the front seat now. Its a bad day for Waterford, we have a FG TD who nobody will listen to.

Does it really matter though? He's going to be in opposition by the looks of it, and he has five years to sort himself out (or alternatively Waterford has five years to find a proper FG TD - my money would be on the hugely impressive Paudie Coffey).

What's of much more interest to Waterford now is that Cullen stays in cabinet. I'm going to open a new thread now, since I think it's an interesting side discussion in itself.

Trotter wrote:

Im wondering actually..

Do Waterford people actually want a University or does a vocal minority care about it more than the rest?

I have some opinions on this but Im reserving them for now because I'd ps a lot of people off!

Never mind p155ing people off. Open a new thread! You've piqued my interest and I'd enjoy the debate. FFS, that's why we are all on this site all the time!

Trotter

Junior wrote:

..at the end of the day it seems to have boiled down to what have you done for me lately ... And those in power etc..

Shouldnt it have boiled down to the careful considered choice of each voter though?

One girl told me yesterday (and it isnt the first time I heard this!) that she voted for Deasy because he was the best looking.

Lets be glad D'arcy didnt get in anyway. Im sure he is a very honorable man but he hasnt got what it takes to be a public representative at that level.


Here's a question for you all!! If Mary Roche had gone on the Fianna Fáil card as a 4th candidate.. would she have got more than 1000 votes?? Nothing else different, just if she'd been with FF.

I suspect it would have been a lot different. How idiotic is that when you think about it. The same person, same abilities, same talents... different election poster, less freedom to speak in the Dáil.

If I could stand Waterford in the corner with a D hat on I would. Grrrrrr. I swear I dont want to hear any complaints here for the next 5 years about Deasy, Cullen, O'Shea or Kenneally.

Junior

Trotter wrote:

Shouldnt it have boiled down to the careful considered choice of each voter though?

But it depends on what the considered choice of the voter is based on what the voter asks about, realistically I think it was about what's in voters pocket, I think issues like the health system, motorways etc. are seen as a national issue and don't make it to the door steps .. be that down to the lack of bigger picture thinking by the local voters - I don't know..

Trotter

Junior wrote:

But it depends on what the considered choice of the voter is based on what the voter asks about, realistically I think it was about what's in voters pocket, I think issues like the health system, motorways etc. are seen as a national issue and don't make it to the door steps .. be that down to the lack of bigger picture thinking by the local voters - I don't know..

Thats the problem.. the people of Waterford didnt vote for the big picture. We voted for the small one that ends at the end of their street.

Where else in the country do people complain about their representatives for 5 years and then hand them a new contract.

mike65

As is pointed out oftentime, its not a national election its 43 local elections. I suspect all politicos get flack and are then re-elected, tis the nature of the job.

Mike.

Trotter

mike65 wrote:

As is pointed out oftentime, its not a national election its 43 local elections. I suspect all politicos get flack and are then re-elected, tis the nature of the job.

Mike.

How long has Waterford been 2FF, 1Lab, and 1 FG?

Surely we could have rocked the boat a little and made the representatives less "comfy"?

mike65

We could but would need to find a candidate with the pulling power to get elected, since 1989 its been ff2/fg/lab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ireland#Election_results_since_1937

Mike.

Trotter

mike65 wrote:

We could but would need to find a candidate with the pulling power to get elected, since 1989 its been ff2/fg/lab

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Ireland#Election_results_since_1937

Mike.

Almost 20 years and no change...

Maybe it shows that you win the election in Waterford by getting on the party ticket with party support.

Darcy was pushed in as a last minute idea.. he never had the support of the local party. Coffey pushed Deasy further than anyone realised..

If he was the number 1 candidate for Waterford FG, he'd have walked in too.


If Mary Roche had stayed with FF and not resigned due to lack of public radiotherapy, she'd have been elected too. I believe that although most probably wont.

Its as if FF,FG,and Labour decide who's going to go to the Dáil and we just sign off on it.

Our man in Havana

Its as if FF,FG,and Labour decide who's going to go to the Dáil and we just sign off on it.

That's how the system works in all 43 constituencies. FF tell you who to vote 1, 2, 3 etc depending on which end of the county you are in. FG are no different.

Trotter

Bond-007 wrote:

That's how the system works in all 43 constituencies. FF tell you who to vote 1, 2, 3 etc depending on which end of the county you are in. FG are no different.

I mean that in Waterford its almost taken for granted that there'll be 2 FF slots, 1 FG, and 1 Lab.. and the parties campaign with this in mind.

I saw and heard more of Cullens promotion material than any of the other two FFers.. ditto for Deasy and O'Shea.

(There is nobody else to go from Labour so that would explain that).

I mean many Waterford people see the 2FF, 1Lab, and 1 FG as almost part of the voting instructions at this stage.

Sully

How do you mean Coffey pushed him further then expected? (Deasy).

Note: I wouldnt say Deasy "walked" in, he had some difficulties getting the numbers.

Trotter

Sully wrote:

How do you mean Coffey pushed him further then expected? (Deasy).

Note: I wouldnt say Deasy "walked" in, he had some difficulties getting the numbers.

Ah he didnt have any difficulty.. sure he was wandering around the count centre being congratulated from early afternoon. If you could see his body language and that of his supporters from early on, compared to Kenneally and his team, you could see who had nerves and who didnt.

There was never a doubt about Deasy.. he was never under threat at all. I'd have been shocked if he'd have been voted in 3rd.

By Coffey pushing him hard I mean that Coffey gathered much more support in the city areas than FG expected. There were as many people congratulating Coffey early on as there was congratulating Deasy.

Coffey ran a very good campaign which I know for a fact stepped on the toes of Deasy at times... There was never a concern for Deasy realistically though.. not from where I was looking anyway, and I managed to get close enough to the action in the weeks before the big day.

Sully

Trotter wrote:

Ah he didnt have any difficulty.. sure he was wandering around the count centre being congratulated from early afternoon. If you could see his body language and that of his supporters from early on, compared to Kenneally and his team, you could see who had nerves and who didnt.

There was never a doubt about Deasy.. he was never under threat at all. I'd have been shocked if he'd have been voted in 3rd.

Didnt it take several counts before he got elected? (Not sure about transfer details).

He didnt "top the poll" and it took a while before he managed to get in.

By Coffey pushing him hard I mean that Coffey gathered much more support in the city areas than FG expected. There were as many people congratulating Coffey early on as there was congratulating Deasy.

Coffey ran a very good campaign which I know for a fact stepped on the toes of Deasy at times... There was never a concern for Deasy realistically though.. not from where I was looking anyway, and I managed to get close enough to the action in the weeks before the big day.

Care to expand?

Im glad Coffey did well, I think hes in with a very good chance next time.

Trotter

Well he got 7500 first preference votes and the quota was 9900 ish. The first count was Cullen's, the second was the dispersal of Cullens 3000 ish surplus which went mainly to other FF candidates. Next was the elimination of the 2 lowest independents and their vote dispersal.. which didnt do much for anyone considering there was a couple of hundred votes to be shared out. Once there was a good few transfers available, around count 6 or 7, Deasy strolled over the line. It was just the process of elimination and dispersal which delayed things.

As for the Coffey Deasy thing.. I just heard (I could be wrong now) that Deasy and Coffey didnt really work together overly well. That may have just been opinions I overheard and not facts so Im not taking it as Gospel.

Its irrelevant anyway, both Coffeys camp and Deasy's were very happy with their performance. And so they should be.. numbers wise they almost pulled off 2 seats.

Our man in Havana

Just goes to show that imposing D' Arcy onto the ticket was a bad move for FG HQ.

mike65

FG seem to have problems when running two strong candidates in the same constituency. If they had FF ruthless efficency and forced co-operation (!) they might do better.

Mike.

marset

Ollie Wilkinson works extremely hard on behalf of anyone who looks for his help, nothing is too much trouble for him. He is very highly regarded and it's a disaster to 6443 people that he did not get in.

To call him a waster is total ignorance.

KENNEALLY, Brendan 6995
O'SHEA, Brian* 7086
WILKINSON, Ollie* 6443

Cullinane has been eliminated now, and I would expect O'Shea to pick up more of his transfers than Wilkinson will.

I predict only one change: Kenneally in instead of Waster Wilkinson.[/QUOTE]

Trotter

marset wrote:

Ollie Wilkinson works extremely hard on behalf of anyone who looks for his help, nothing is too much trouble for him. He is very highly regarded and it's a disaster to 6443 people that he did not get in.

To call him a waster is total ignorance.

Well the only time I've seen him was when he made a joke at the INTO class sizes meeting where people were livid about their children being squeezed into classes of 33 and 34. He didnt take the issue seriously in any way and was quite disrespectful by making a "Johnny Wilkinson" joke.

He gained no fans that night.. in fact he lost hundreds of potential votes.

Aquos76

Ollie, welcome along to the waterford city forum, but I'm sorry, but I also have to agree with the original poster.

Mossy Monk

marset wrote:

Ollie Wilkinson works extremely hard on behalf of anyone who looks for his help, nothing is too much trouble for him. He is very highly regarded and it's a disaster to 6443 people that he did not get in.

To call him a waster is total ignorance.

KENNEALLY, Brendan 6995
O'SHEA, Brian* 7086
WILKINSON, Ollie* 6443

Cullinane has been eliminated now, and I would expect O'Shea to pick up more of his transfers than Wilkinson will.

I predict only one change: Kenneally in instead of Waster Wilkinson.

[/QUOTE]

Is this Ollie Wilkinson?

fricatus

marset wrote:

Ollie Wilkinson works extremely hard on behalf of anyone who looks for his help, nothing is too much trouble for him. He is very highly regarded and it's a disaster to 6443 people that he did not get in.

To call him a waster is total ignorance.

My mother contacted all the local TDs, including Wilkinson, about the non-renewal of the Glaucoma specialist position at WRH about two years ago.

Out of all of them, Wilkinson was the only one who turned around and said he couldn't make any representation on her behalf, since basically it would compromise his position vis a vis FF HQ.

A TD is either a bringer of roads and jobs (Cullen) or a hard-working constituency guy (Deasy, O'Shea). You can criticise the system, but at least if a TD fits either of these bills, he or she is worth the votes. Wilkinson brought nothing to the nation in terms of legislation, nothing to the constituency in terms of facilities and as far as I can see, nothing to any individual constituent.

I stand by my earlier comments: he's a waster and we're better off without his "representation".

jmcc

Bond-007 wrote:

Just goes to show that imposing D' Arcy onto the ticket was a bad move for FG HQ.

It seems to have been a move of sheer stupidity on FG HQ's part. Waterford almost always breaks along tribal lines when votes are put under pressure. D'Arcy only beat McCann by about 300 votes. That tribal element of the FG vote in Waterford really came into play with the Coffey-D'Arcy situation. D'Arcy is not from Waterford. While he might be a competent local level politician, he does not seem to have that level of public profile needed to be a TD.

Regards...jmcc

Our man in Havana

I would think that if FG just went with just Deasy and Coffey both would have been elected with ease?

mike65

Doubt it the gap was very large to catch forth placed Kenneally (3000 votes)

http://www.rte.ie/news/elections2007/results/constit-41.html

Mike.

Sully

fricatus wrote:

My mother contacted all the local TDs, including Wilkinson, about the non-renewal of the Glaucoma specialist position at WRH about two years ago.

Out of all of them, Wilkinson was the only one who turned around and said he couldn't make any representation on her behalf, since basically it would compromise his position vis a vis FF HQ.

A TD is either a bringer of roads and jobs (Cullen) or a hard-working constituency guy (Deasy, O'Shea). You can criticise the system, but at least if a TD fits either of these bills, he or she is worth the votes. Wilkinson brought nothing to the nation in terms of legislation, nothing to the constituency in terms of facilities and as far as I can see, nothing to any individual constituent.

I stand by my earlier comments: he's a waster and we're better off without his "representation".

Clearly the voters agreed as he wasn't voted back in.