MMA/UFC/PRIDE/K-1 discussion thread

cowzerp

Fozzy wrote: »

I don't see how that could work. What if there's one minute of grappling that fighter A dominates and four minutes of striking that fighter B dominates? The grappling judge would give full points to A and the striking judge full points to B, but in reality those two scores shouldn't be worth the same

Thats where the total judge comes in, could be the ref!

Fozzy

dunkamania wrote: »

I am sceptical, i would be inclined to read it as an attempt to increase leverage over the UFC. Then again Brazilians not fighting Brazilians is nothing new.

It might be more than just that, the two of them are Nogueira's coaches on the next TUF so they've been working together the last few months

Or maybe Anderson knows Lyoto's unbeatable :pac:

EDIT: And they've trained with each other long before that too...

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

Thats where the total judge comes in, could be the ref!

Then that's sort of putting all the power into the hands of one judge rather than three

In the example I gave fighter B clearly won the round, yet one judge will be scoring it for fighter A. If every round is like that then when it comes to decision time one fighter will get two 30-27s and his opponent will get one 30-27. Under the current scoring it would be 30-27 from every judge for fighter B. So if one judge makes a mistake in your method then the wrong fighter could easily win

I'm using an extreme example but in closer fights the potential for a mess up is even greater if there's judges giving equal points to parts of the fight that should'nt be marked the same

muckwarrior

Fozzy wrote: »

If you didn't know about Affliction before you read that Anderson interview, then after you would know about it.

In fairness, I think the type of person reading online MMA articles is the type of person that will already know about affliction. I guess you could make a distinction between an MMA fan and an "Ultimate Fighting" fan.

cowzerp

Yes, and if there good that would be better. i'd rather 1 good judge than 3 random judges that could be brutal! just means you'd need to be more strict on picking him though.

Dragan

Anderson has always been pretty honest about his desire to not fight his friends. When he first came into the UFC and dispatched of Leben and ended up in a title fight, Paulo Fihlo went to WEC and both of them said that they had no desire to fight each other. Paulo even said that in was Anderson's "time" in the UFC and he had no desire to disrupt his friends goals.

Fozzy

muckwarrior wrote: »

In fairness, I think the type of person reading online MMA articles is the type of person that will already know about affliction. I guess you could make a distinction between an MMA fan and an "Ultimate Fighting" fan.

There's a lot of people who'd only read the UFC news who could come across Affliction that way

There's examples in pro wrestling where a big company put on a show at the same time as a smaller company and ended up giving the smaller company a lot more publicity. They were very similar to this deal. There's also a Cage Rage/UFC thing from last year that backs up what I'm saying. Cage Rage was averaging about 20,000 viewers for their events last year. Then they did a show head-to-head with a UFC show (Cro Cop vs Gonzaga) and they got 80,000, their highest ever audience

Fozzy

cowzerp wrote: »

Yes, and if there good that would be better. i'd rather 1 good judge than 3 random judges that could be brutal! just means you'd need to be more strict on picking him though.

But what are the chances that they'll be able to pick a judge who knows all about grappling and a judge who knows all about striking when in some cases they can't pick a judge who knows all about MMA? If you're able to get good MMA judges then that's a thousand times better than getting judges who are good at just certain parts of the sport

Anyway, it's not as if there's a bad decision on every card

cowzerp

In that case, leave it as it is-i only said an idea if people wanted change..its ok as is i suppose..in most cases

For anyone who bought the "This isn't counter programming" line

cletus

probably coming to the point scoring debate a little late, but a couple of pages back somebody said that a point deduction could end up drawing a round, but as far as I know, any points to b deducted are done at the end of the fight, so all points are added up, the any deducted points are taken away, so that you don't lose a point for a particular round, but for the fight as a whole.

relatively small point, but I have been called analy retentive before

Fozzy

cletus wrote: »

probably coming to the point scoring debate a little late, but a couple of pages back somebody said that a point deduction could end up drawing a round, but as far as I know, any points to b deducted are done at the end of the fight, so all points are added up, the any deducted points are taken away, so that you don't lose a point for a particular round, but for the fight as a whole.

relatively small point, but I have been called analy retentive before

I thought that sounded a bit odd so I checked it, it's not the case. From Nevada's rules:

Any point or points to be deducted for any foul must be deducted in the round in which the foul occurred and may not be deducted from the score of any subsequent round.

Sounds like the point would be deducted from that round's score

cletus

fair enough fozzy, was sure I heard it in an interview with one of the refs. Having said that, it could have been Mike goldberg, in which case I should have known it was wrong;)

dunkamania

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/7/9/568073/international-ufc-interest

Ireland #4, a little bit of a surprise

Fozzy

dunkamania wrote: »

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/7/9/568073/international-ufc-interest

Ireland #4, a little bit of a surprise

I dunno, is it? How many countries get UFC on tv at the moment? And how many don't have to pay for the events? I think there's more interest here in the UFC simply because it's easy enough to watch it

On a sidenote, I was playing around with the search there with different words, one of the more interesting results was Ireland top of the list for "porn" :pac:

Dragan

Fozzy wrote: »

On a sidenote, I was playing around with the search there with different words, one of the more interesting results was Ireland top of the list for "porn" :pac:

I blame Catholic Oppression.

Nothingcompares

really? who are the types of guys looking for porn on the internet? 15-25 year olds? How many of them feel oppressed by the RCC?

Kazooie

Finally got to watch the fight.
As a fan of Griffin I tried to watch it objectively and I have to say although Page wasn't robbed as such I think he could have got the decision. Like someone has said the judges could have given round 2 to Forrest 10-8 but that wasn't a 10-8 round in my opinion. He deserves a rematch at least, but they'll likely set him up to get his face kneed into oblivion by Wand again. Actually I wouldn't mind seeing that at all.

Dragan

Nothingcompares wrote: »

really? who are the types of guys looking for porn on the internet? 15-25 year olds? How many of them feel oppressed by the RCC?

Comment was tongue in cheek dude.

Although most pron is searched by the 25 to 34 age group afaik.

Yes but who types "porn" into the search bar nowadays! Everyone has their favourite sites.....so ive been told!


Im not really suprised we're number 4. They wouldnt be plannin on comin here otherwise.

Dragan

At the end of the day we have access to lots of shows and an active and hugely enjoyable local scene. Hopefully MMA will continue to grow within Ireland.

Dragan

Dragan wrote: »

At the end of the day we have access to lots of shows and an active and hugely enjoyable local scene. Hopefully MMA will continue to grow within Ireland.

Absolutely. + 1

anyone goin to the Warriors Muay Thai Fight Night in Dalkey next weekend?!

Fall_Guy

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes but who types "porn" into the search bar nowadays! Everyone has their favourite sites.....so ive been told!

Key point, this just shows that irish people are that more clueless at finding porn!.....back on topic, affliction is getting close, can't wait to see fedor in action again, in what is a big test in the form of sylvia who is a handful for anyone no matter what the naysayers think.

I really hope to see a dominant performance from fedor, i'd love him to get the recognition stateside that he deserves. Would be horrible if he suffered a similar fate to crocop and was never really appreciated fully due to sub-par performances in front of a new audience despite years of dominance. I get the feeling that it's not going to happen to fedor as he seems to have that ability to always find a way to win in any given situation. Both my heart and head say a sub victory for fedor

Charlie3dan

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/

Apparently Shogun could be back this "Fall" as Dana White put it. I for one can't wait to see him back. Not sure if Shogun Vs Sokoudjou is a fight anyone wants to see though.

dunkamania

Shogun needs a win, a step down in competition is no bad thing here.
He may be coming back to soon though, I doubt his knee will be fully healed after his second op

el dude

Killme00 wrote: »

So there wont be any effective scoring system for at least another few years until they have judges with MMA experience or knowledge of MMA scoring systems.

Is there an MMA scoring system which meets all needs? Does the 10 point must really suit?

System obviously isn't perfect, but how often does it fail to award the right winner of a fight? Rarely. Boxing is going for how long now and bad decisions occur far more often. There is simply no perfect solution.

My gripe is that they have boxing guys judging MMA fights. Which is just plain wrong.

dunkamania

Shogun is talking December return

Anyone hyped for the 19th yet?

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

Shogun is talking December return

Anyone hyped for the 19th yet?

Have been for a while, really curious to see how it all pans out. Hopefully people pull out good fights.

cletus

Jesse Taylor to fight on Saturday:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=13343

evidently he will take on CB "the lip" Dalloway

Affliction VP Tom Atencio wants to work with UFC:
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4794/affliction-vp-tom-atencio-wants-to-work-with-ufc.mma
theres a link for the radio interview at the end of the piece

Charlie3dan

dunkamania wrote: »

Anyone hyped for the 19th yet?

Don't think anyone would bet against Anderson for this one, unless Irvin lands the superman punch in the first 7 seconds again I can't see him getting the bettr of silva. Haven't actually subscribed to Setanta yet either so I will be watching this one online next week.

On another note check this out http://cbs.sportsline.com/mmaboxing/story/10890924
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In the comments underneath someone suggests that Kimbo is missing from the list. :eek: :rolleyes:.