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Repeating to do medicine

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    #32
    sd123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 534 ✭✭✭sd123


    THIS IS quite interesting, I wish I had seen it before I filled out my own CAO final choices... oh well


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    #33
    ZorbaTehZ
    Registered Users Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭ZorbaTehZ


    sd123 wrote: »
    THIS IS quite interesting, I wish I had seen it before I filled out my own CAO final choices... oh well

    A single discussion thread on the internets would have changed your CAO choices? My, that is interesting.


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    #34
    sd123
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    ZorbaTehZ wrote: »
    A single discussion thread on the internets would have changed your CAO choices? My, that is interesting.

    Thanks for the sarcasm, Zobra, but i didn't say it would have CHANGED my CAO choices, it just would've been interesting to read some of the comments and furthermore, I never knew that Dan719 was interested in Medicine.....


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    #35
    Chunky Monkey
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    I repeated last year in three months, while working full time, didn't take any classes and took up a new subject...I got 505 and I ain't a genius, far from it. I'm repeating for the third time this year (and this time I'm taking time off work :p) but I don't think it's that big a deal. I realised that it's not impossible. Just learn to ignore others who think you're 'mad'. If you really want to do medicine just go for it. Course with the new medicine application system coming in in 2009, I'm not sure if repeating would be such a viable option then like in the UK where repeat students aren't viewed too kindly.

    Oh btw I know I'm not supposed to be advertising but here's a link to a new forum 'Medicine Ireland Board': http://www.medicineireland.tk . Be warned it's very new...


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    #36
    Chunky Monkey
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    :| wrote: »

    I'm guessing you want to go to trinity but if you really wanted to do medicine you'd do it anywhere, and UCD is just as good as trinity anyway.

    UCD is better. I've heard so many bad things about the medicine course in Trinity that I've decided not to apply there this year. These weren't just rumours. I heard this from a student who recently graduated and the daughter of two of the lecturers.


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    #37
    sd123
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    Chunky Monkey wrote: »
    UCD is better. I've heard so many bad things about the medicine course in Trinity that I've decided not to apply there this year. These weren't just rumours. I heard this from a student who recently graduated and the daughter of two of the lecturers.


    As a matter of interest, what did you hear? I'm studying med in first year in TCD now and so far I think it's brilliant, whatever it is, it can't be that bad....


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    #38
    Chunky Monkey
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    Hey Sd I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it. I know another first year there who loves it too. However, I have two main sources, and other hearsay from people who knew people studying/ have studied there. Here's something that was posted on the New Media Medicine forum last year by a final year student at the time:

    I see from some posts that some people are considering applying to trinity medical school. Im in final year there and my honest advice is to find somewhere (anywhere) else to do medicine. The teaching is shambolic,so bad that the Irish medical board was considering revoking trinities status as a medical college.Only by canceling 2 months of the summer holidays and sending students to other hospitals for "electives" (ie for someone else to do some proper teaching) has it narrowly survived. It has got to the point where a lot of students just park in the library since no one notices your absence anyway and its the only way to pass most tests given the total lack of lectures tutorials etc etc in clinical medicine/surgery/ent/whatever. The other irish colleges are far superior (indeed we use their notes constantly ) so go to them instead.Unless you have a free scholarship or something trinity is definitely not worth it.There are backdoor listen and learn on tape 2 month medical schools in mexico that beat trinity backways on education.Im sorry if i sound bitter but i wish someone had told me this before i applied

    At my interview in England last week I met someone whose parents are both doctors and lecturers at Trinity. They told me that what this guy said was true and that because most of the lecturers are also full time consultants they often don't turn up for lectures. They also told me that UCD has become very good for medicine lately but RCSI is the best and the Irish students there are the most knowledgeable.


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    #39
    sd123
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    Chunky Monkey wrote: »
    Hey Sd I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it. I know another first year there who loves it too. However, I have two main sources, and other hearsay from people who knew people studying/ have studied there......

    ........At my interview in England last week I met someone whose parents are both doctors and lecturers at Trinity. They told me that what this guy said was true and that because most of the lecturers are also full time consultants they often don't turn up for lectures. They also told me that UCD has become very good for medicine lately but RCSI is the best and the Irish students there are the most knowledgeable.

    Ok, when you put it like that, I can honestly say that most of what he said is true. However, I have never had a lecturer miss a lecture, but I am only here 3 months so I can't give an accurate opinion on that one.
    As bad as all that sounds, it really is fine, the only really bad thing (imo) is that they go way too fast in anatomy lectures, very little goes in during class tbh. It's not the lecturers' fault though cos they're only following a timetable and they have so little time, and whats the reason? SO WE CAN HAVE LONGER HOLIDAYS THAN ANY OTHER IRISH UNIVERSITY.... It's ridiculous.

    Other than that, if you're willing to work hard and often times alone in the library, you will definitely get through your degree.


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    #40
    me2gud4u
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    heya, i'm currently in pre med in UCD and can i just say it is brilliiant!!!There are laods of 600 pointer ppl on our course and 570 ppl and really there is no difference between anyone despite what ppl got in the leaving. U only need one science subject for medicine and while no particular science is compulsory they advise that we have chemistry but there are ppl who have just physics, just biology, or other unusual combinations and some only have the one science subject. The social life is amazing-ski trip planned for this january already, trip to bundoran for easter, galway pre med trip to be organised, class nights out etc. Other ppl on courses can't get over how we have all gelled so well and we know pretty much everyone by name at this stage. From an academic point of view it is a bit of a break from leaving cert but that said DO NOT BE FOOLED by the myth that pre med is a complete doss.............physics (is extremely difficult more like applied maths), biology is more an introduction to basic medical concepts.....like cancer causing receptors and well chemistry, medical zoology (tough enough at times), and healthcare informatics(basic IT skills course with a bit of a play aorund in computer labs on a friday but also with some emphasis on medicine) can be a little more fun!lol Next term our modules are organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, science medicine and society, genetics and something else. Ther is work involved but it is by no means VERY stressful if ya get me. The health science library rocks.......not just for studying, the special group rooms make for a great socialising session.....lol anyway good luck with what ya decide!


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    #41
    Chunky Monkey
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    sd123 wrote: »
    Ok, when you put it like that, I can honestly say that most of what he said is true. However, I have never had a lecturer miss a lecture, but I am only here 3 months so I can't give an accurate opinion on that one.
    As bad as all that sounds, it really is fine, the only really bad thing (imo) is that they go way too fast in anatomy lectures, very little goes in during class tbh. It's not the lecturers' fault though cos they're only following a timetable and they have so little time, and whats the reason? SO WE CAN HAVE LONGER HOLIDAYS THAN ANY OTHER IRISH UNIVERSITY.... It's ridiculous.

    Other than that, if you're willing to work hard and often times alone in the library, you will definitely get through your degree.

    Ye I've heard that about the anatomy lectures too. Well good luck I hope it stays well for you:) Anyway at the end of the day it's what you put into it that matters the most innit ;)

    Haha medical zoology?? What does that involve?


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    #42
    me2gud4u
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    medical zoology=monkeys. gorillas chimps, bones, lactation, bipedalism, bitta dna, all parasitic diseases.....basically anything they wanna throw in


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    #43
    ZorbaTehZ
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    NUIG iz the best tbh.


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    #44
    Chunky Monkey
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    Lemme guess...you're a student there? Haha the majority of students probably say that about their unis :)

    I wonder why you have to study animals...


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    #45
    me2gud4u
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭me2gud4u


    well we study monkeys and chimps and all that stuff because man evolved from them so basically they are teaching us about the evolution of human body....like advantages of erect posture etc.
    Parasitic diseases.......pretty medicine-related knowing about river blindness, malaria etc.
    Yeh but sometimes we wonder why we need to learn certain things......all it is a good laugh though.


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    #46
    Chunky Monkey
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    Sounds good, I really can't wait to start myself. I'm putting RCSI as my first choice and UCD second. And I will get in this year!! (or so I keep telling myself :p)


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    #47
    challengemaster
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    From what I heard, points are dropping for next year to 480 with an interview to get in.


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    #48
    Chunky Monkey
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    Ye for 2009 entry with an interview and aptitude test. They're also increasing the number of places from 305 to 725. Even though it'll be nice that they aren't expecting close on six A1s anymore, I'm still a little concerned. One doctor I was talking to recently isn't sure the interview system will work because this is a small country and people will know people. With regards the number of places the whole reason why they had a cap on them in the first place is because the government felt that the economy wouldn't be able to sustain more doctors. I read this in a report that was written in 1996 I think and wasn't the Celtic Tiger quite strong at that stage? Now it seems to be taking a downturn and the HSE themselves are a couple of hundred million euro over budget. Do they think they will be able to fix this by the time all these new med students graduate or will we find ourselves in the same desperate situation that they're in in the UK at the moment?


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    #49
    Chunky Monkey
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    BTW I love your photos challengemaster :) What camera do you have?


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    #50
    challengemaster
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    Chunky Monkey wrote: »
    BTW I love your photos challengemaster :) What camera do you have?

    lol, not quite the place for this conversation methinks :)


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    #51
    JC 2K3
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    Chunky Monkey wrote: »
    Ye for 2009 entry with an interview and aptitude test. They're also increasing the number of places from 305 to 725. Even though it'll be nice that they aren't expecting close on six A1s anymore, I'm still a little concerned. One doctor I was talking to recently isn't sure the interview system will work because this is a small country and people will know people. With regards the number of places the whole reason why they had a cap on them in the first place is because the government felt that the economy wouldn't be able to sustain more doctors. I read this in a report that was written in 1996 I think and wasn't the Celtic Tiger quite strong at that stage? Now it seems to be taking a downturn and the HSE themselves are a couple of hundred million euro over budget. Do they think they will be able to fix this by the time all these new med students graduate or will we find ourselves in the same desperate situation that they're in in the UK at the moment?
    But when the points drop the demand for places in medicine will go down. Call me cynical but tbh I don't think that many people really want to be doctors, people just feel they can get high enough points and go for it or just put it on top of their CAO "just in case". If the points for medicine are no longer hard to attain, then students capable of 550+ points will be less inclined to put it down on their CAO.

    Of course, there's also a chance that the amount of prestige which currently surrounds the word "Medicine" will not go away and that the dropping points will not immediately affect the demand.


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    #52
    Davidius
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    Pfft, people don't do medicine for the sake of it.

    They do it so they can be like the guys on Scrubs. :)


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    #53
    Chunky Monkey
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    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    But when the points drop the demand for places in medicine will go down. Call me cynical but tbh I don't think that many people really want to be doctors, people just feel they can get high enough points and go for it or just put it on top of their CAO "just in case". If the points for medicine are no longer hard to attain, then students capable of 550+ points will be less inclined to put it down on their CAO.

    Of course, there's also a chance that the amount of prestige which currently surrounds the word "Medicine" will not go away and that the dropping points will not immediately affect the demand.

    Ye I was thinking that too. I know several people who did that :mad: Hey think people might make a mistake and think the points are dropping this year so less will apply? Twould be great :D
    Originally posted by Davidius
    Pfft, people don't do medicine for the sake of it.

    They do it so they can be like the guys on Scrubs. smile.gif

    Hell yeah I wanna do the giant doctor! I already know a perfusionist with the huge coat :)


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