Argies v Ireland (2nd Test Sat 8pm)

zAbbo

Argentina: F Serra, T De Vedia, H Senillosa, M Contepomi, F Leonelli, F Todeschini, N Fernandez Miranda, J Fernandez Lobbe, J Manuel Leguizamon, Martin Durand (capt), R Alvarez Kairelis, E Lozada, S Gonzalez, P Gambarini, M Ayerza.
Replacements: E Guinazu, P Henn, P Bouza, M Schusterman, N Vergallo, J Fernandez Miranda, H Agulla.

Ireland: G Murphy; B Carney, B Murphy, G Duffy, R Kearney; J Staunton, E Reddan; B Young, F Sheahan. S Best, capt, L Cullen, M O'Driscoll, A Quinlan, S Jennings, S Ferris.
Replacements: B Jackman, T Buckley, M O'Kelly, N Best, I Boss, K Lewis, L Fitzgerald.

Lets hope for some Kearnage / Carnage (punmeister).

Duffy's not the answer at 12, as much Baz Murphy is the answer at 13.

Whatcha think ?

daveirl

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MikeHoncho

Looking forward to seeing how Reddan and Leo get on. Think this back 3 could be very good. Plenty of pace and vision there. Be worried about defensive capabilities up the middle though.

buck65

has Carney scored a try in every game he's played since coming to Munster?

smashey

Good back row. Good to see Jennings and Reddan start. I'm looking forward to this.

daveirl

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burnedfaceman

im pretty sure gavin duffy has experience playing at 12 from schooldays in roscrea and has played at that position when he captained irish schools on australia tour in 2000. i think he will give a good account of himself and hopefully shane jennings will do the same. little bit of trivia, jennings duffy and john lyne on A side all played on that schools team that beat australia as did denis leamy

zAbbo

Carney scored a few lovely tries from Crossfield kicks, he looks a quality player.

TarfHead

I just realised from reading a profile of Robert Kearney that I played with his father before RK was born.

Damn .. I'm middle-aged

zAbbo

Eddie Spices things up

Ireland coach Eddie O'Sullivan has expressed his disappointment in the preparations for his side's second Test against Argentina at the Jose Amalfitani stadium.

Due to mayoral elections in Buenos Aires on Sunday, football matches in the city were moved to be played on Friday, Saturday and Monday.

One of the matches played on yesterday involved Velez Sarsfield, whose use the Jose Amalfitani ground, meaning O'Sullivan's side - and their backroom staff - were unable to familiarise themselves with the facilities.

"I'm happy with the players yes, but with the preparations, no," said O'Sullivan.

"It is not just that we run around the pitch but our medical people need to check the facilities, our media person checks where players will be taken for interviews and our kickers get their lines for the post and the players have a run out.

"They must have known about the football match before now. At this level it is unheard of.

"I don't even know what the dressing room is like."

"It contravenes IRB [International Rugby Board] regulations if you want to be picky about it but it really disadvantages our kickers. If we had been alerted to this earlier, we could have gone in during the week and done what we needed there."

The Ireland coach, referring to media coverage of the first Test, said: "They (journalists) are reporting that there were 70 incidents of foul play that the referee missed. That is asinine in my view. We were all at the game, we saw what happened.

"We are not their favourite country to host it seems."

"We all try and use our home advantage but we do it within the regulations. There is nothing wrong with getting the support fired up but some of this stuff is off the wall."

O'Sullivan then went on to call for his side to show a greater level of professionalism after coming away 22-20 losers in the first Test.

"The discipline last week was more about technicalities than foul play, as we had two incidents - Bryan Young was penalised and Neil Best was yellow carded," said O'Sullivan.

"The penalties I was really unhappy with was the silly stuff, coming offside at rucks and pulling down the jumper. There was twelve of those in the game and we only lost by two points."

daveirl

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zAbbo

All the more reason to sow it into the fckers later on.

I was hugely impressed at the aggression shown last week, and hopefully we're in for more of the same.

...and if you see me walking, i wanna hear about it

zAbbo

Starts in 15-20mins

Rte2 once the Gaa is over.

zAbbo

actually, hold up.

Game kicks off at 8.10pm, this Gaa game has at least another 12 minutes to run, and it's now 5 past 8.

Guess we'll be missing the first few minutes.

Cnuts

zAbbo

Why not enjoy the Argie number 8 Leguizamon's showboating from earlier in the season - http://youtube.com/watch?v=4tA3MBgBaA0

BigTommyBomb

Great, missing the start because of the poxy bogball. Can they not keep tv levels of timekeeping?

zAbbo

I guess this is deferred, so we're not really missing anything.

pred racer

can someone keep me updated please, (im in work and that rte feed is unwatchable)

zAbbo

6-0 at half time.

Muprhy is a liability, Staunton missed one in front of the posts, and we're all over the place.

Eoin Reddan is playing quite well, but the general play is messy.

Diamondmaker

Irelands 3rd combination ( as opposed to 3rd team )
Backs look good at breaking when they have a chance and our scrum is doing very well, c'mon 12-14 collapsed scrums on the Argie line and no penno try, bit harsh ref!:mad:

Murphy I blame for the crash with RK under that high ball. RK was clearly tracking it in the wind as it went touch bound and back in field, Murphy comes from a mile away to bump into the back of him!

RK ducked under one previously and that worked, amybe Murphy as the senior guy is trying to bully him?!

DonJose

pred racer wrote:

can someone keep me updated please, (im in work and that rte feed is unwatchable)

http://www.irishrugby.ie/tools/matchdaylive.php?fixid=36231&referer=www.irfu.ie

Bounty Hunter

seems like its O'Gara or bust come WC time. These players are showing a lot of potential, but no end product. This is usually as a result of too many handling errors esp from forwards in the line. Quinlan is looking good though

BigTommyBomb

What is wrong with those Argentinians. They are lobbing their seat covers onto the pitch. No wonder nobody wants them in their competitions.

Diamondmaker

Duffy, Murphy, Carney, Kearny, Young, Redden, Quinlan, Ferris will cause further head ache selections.

Murphy B and Stauton are 2 that can start their holidays 100%.


( another Rylism "Ireland have a mountaon to climb.......Its only 6 points )
Immediately at the HT whistle. I risk a ban for this one

The cocommentators never correct him either as ( apparently ) hes director of sport and to make him look stupid may mean no call backs:rolleyes: ?

Diamondmaker

BigTommyBomb wrote:

What is wrong with those Argentinians. They are lobbing their seat covers onto the pitch. No wonder nobody wants them in their competitions.

Is that what tyey are crazy?!

Yup OGara or bust....will he make it past the group stage ( physically ) when he has that late game V argentina....:( !

zAbbo

What has this tour shown ?

Apart from being fcuked if any of our top players get injured, we're in trouble.

BigTommyBomb

I thought we played better than Argentina in the first game. Again today we were playing most of the rugby and it was just missed kicks and handling that lost the game.

Argentina looked toothless in attack and I'd say we will take them apart in France.

Marshy

Diamondmaker wrote:

Carney, Kearny, will cause further head ache selections.

I thought they both had a nightmare tonight :eek:

JC 2K3

Jesus, it was like watching a bad A match....

Endurance Man

That was poo, gave up watching after the first half, luckily i had taped the Safa game against England , habana is a machine.

thebaz

Although all the backline were poor, Barry Murphy was shocking ...
The 2 props did well , and the big prop that came on , and quinlan ...
Jennings blew his chance of a world Cup place....


Finally , please Dave Hmphrys, come out of retirement for the few weeks of the World cup.

DonJose

OMG that was embarrassing.

Diamondmaker

Marshy wrote:

I thought they both had a nightmare tonight :eek:

Not a mare IMO, but really who else?

Trimble, Murphy and Duffy??Probably

Carney and Kearney, maybe.......No one else is in the reckoning for any back line reserve spots.......?

I think Carneys relative exerience and Kearneys versatility will get them a spot, not to mention his ability to slot in with the exisiting backs.
Based on the 2 games who else?

Looks like Duffy and Trimble for reserve centre.

B Murphy is a long long way off and Bowe too.

Laslo

Yes, they were an embarrassing joke but at least very few (if any) of them will be playing come WC time. If there's one positive we can take out of it, it's that our forwards weren't bullied around the pitch. The backs were shocking. Geordan Murphy demonstrated why he's best left in Leicester. He obviously doesn't want to play for Ireland. Overall, a shocking performance and we're in big trouble when our experienced guys slow down and need replacing.

If Argentina ever want to make it into a tournament (Tri or 6 Nations) then they would want to control their scumbag fans. Otherwise they'll be relegated to mediocrity as a team without any chance of competing at the highest level bar every 4 years at the WC.

I suspect we'll stuff the Argies in France.

sioda

Trying my best to get some positives from this game. Carney imo has booked himself a seat and i think will get some game time.

Time for EOS to cut G Murphy off he was dire.

MOD should be staying at home after his performance but to quote George Hook Cullen did nothing.

Gavin Duffy has done enough to get a seat not sure about game time.

I know B Murphy got a lot of stick but when passes are being aimed at your head what can you do e few more years and I think WC for him.

Think Reddan is in with a chance of the second number 9 but will EOS break wallace and boss who are a decent unit who knows

But hopefully the main positive for me is that Staunton will never wear the green of Ireland again he was a disgrace.

EdgarAllenPoo

A dog with a hammer up its arse could have played better than most of the Irish players last night.

Staunton couldn't kick the head off a dandelion though his running game is slightly better.

It ROG goes down then in the words of earthworm Jim "we're dooooomed, doomed I tell ya."

nacho libre

Reading through the posts i'm glad i missed this game now. It would appear the strength in depth in Irish rugby is not as extensive as touted in some quarters.

Sangre

JC 2K3 wrote:

Jesus, it was like watching a bad A match....

What? That was an A game.

zAbbo

Concerns about Carney, he let his man right in and was left flapping mid air.

How bad was G Murphy, poor passes, ran into Rob Kearney under a high ball, and didn't offer much going forward, I think he has played himself out of the RWC, he's a fantastic footballer, but is a liability in the green shirt.

B.Muprhy isn't good enough at this level.

I'd have Kearney in there to cover FB, and at a stretch Luke Fitz and Isaac Boss can both cover that position.

Indeed Kearney's utility and his familiarity with the rest of the backline should swing in his favour.

Sundy

sioda wrote:

Trying my best to get some positives from this game. Carney imo has booked himself a seat and i think will get some game time.

I though Carney wasnt very good last night. His defensive position was poor, he shrunk away from his kicking duties which almost cost us a try. On top of that he got more ball than any off the outside backs and all he seemed to do was run straight into contact rugby league style, ontop of that his presentation off the ball was poor resulting in slow ball.

Anyway people should settle down about this result. The only difference in the teams was that we didnt have a goal kicker, if we had we would have won. In fairness to see a team opting for scrums isnt something you will see done very much against argentina.

EdgarAllenPoo

Sundy wrote:

In fairness to see a team opting for scrums isnt something you will see done very much against argentina.

That was a stupid thing to do, whatever about beating them at their own game it was stupid not to take the points the first time they were offered and then to miss a kick just to the right of the post is pathetic.

daveirl

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EdgarAllenPoo

There's always the chance that Ireland could have given away a penalty at the scrum(crooked feeed,collapse,binding,etc), I'm not saying it would have happened but it could and they should have taken the shot at goal when it was first offered.

Inquitus

1. Pointless tour.
2. Contributes nothing to Irish Rugby
3. Never play without a frontline goal kicker, what did we kick penalty wise in those two tests? I am guessing 2/9.
4. What can you learn from this, it is nigh on impossible for a player to shine amid such mediocrity.

If The Bull, ROG, POC, Strings, BOD, D'Arcy or Shaggy get injured we are fooked.

We can cover the 2nd Row, O'Kelly and O'Driscoll have what it takes to do a decent job, but losing POC is not worth contemplating.

We have no cover of International Standard at 10

or 9, neither Boss or Reddan is up to it imo.

No cover for the Bull

No decent cover in the centre's neither Trimble nor Duffy are up to it. Same goes for the wing regards Bowe.

Carney looks the genuine article, but not in time for the RWC, needs a season imo.

Murphy (G) must be allergic to green.

Match was crap, no continuity or basic skills from either side, no penetration from either 3/4's - desperate rugby altogether.

Trojan

The ref was wrong at the scrum, it was the right decision for the captain to take. With a semi-competent referee we'd have the penalty try about 5 minutes earlier.

Inquitus wrote:

We can cover the 2nd Row, O'Kelly and O'Driscoll have what it takes to do a decent job

I strongly disagree. I really can't see what people see in Mick O'Driscoll. He has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that he's not good enough for international duty.

Wallace is there at 10, Staunton doesn't have it.

I'd give both Boss and Reddan a change, I think they're maturing.

Young was good.

Trimble & Fitzgerald are both there or thereabouts. Bowe, well... I guess he's just not quite up to the standard.

Carney didn't cement his place by any means. Decent first game, extremely poor second. So much for the rugby league defence on the try.

All in all, 80 minutes of my life that I want back.

EdgarAllenPoo

What happened to that development programme for players like Trimble and Bowe I read about a few months ago. Either it's not worth pish or they haven't done it yet.

Having missed out on seeing most of the Churchill Cup matches can someone fill me in and give me some hope as to future prospects.

Incidently what happened with Sean Cronin?

Amazotheamazing

The problem is Wallace isn't up to it either, if he was he wouldn't be still scrapping for his place behind an aging Humphreys.

zAbbo

I think Luke Fitz is going to be a good player, maybe this RWC has come too soon for him, be certainly hasn't earned his place in the squad.

Wallace isn't a bad player, in the first test he was full of running, and can provide cover for FH and IC, the fact is Humph is barely fit to fart these days, but is still a reliable goal kicker, something which may be worth it, considering the backline we have.

Marshy

zabbo wrote:

I'd have Kearney in there to cover FB, and at a stretch Luke Fitz and Isaac Boss can both cover that position.

Indeed Kearney's utility and his familiarity with the rest of the backline should swing in his favour.

Kearney was very ordinary and at the moment simply isnt up to it.

Luke Fitz has barely played any meaningful games for leinster and when he has hasnt really impressed. A bit over-rated really, he's by no means there yet.

Wrt the second rows Both MOK and MOD are useless. The former is totally over the hill and the latter isnt even a munster starter.

Inquitus

Marshy wrote:

The former is totally over the hill and the latter isnt even a munster starter.

With POC and DOC at Munster there's very few 2nd rows in the world who would get a start

bugler

Reading through the posts i'm glad i missed this game now. It would appear the strength in depth in Irish rugby is not as extensive as touted in some quarters.

Who has been claiming we have strength in depth? I think it is pretty much accepted prior and after this game that we don't. We are currently blessed with a core of a team of very good players. We may 2/3 short of really being a top side. It is unlikely we will ever have the full deck.

I feel a bit sorry for S Best. He has had a good tour and all we hear is the usual ****e about god help us if Hayes gets injured. Well Hayes will be gone soon enough.

Unfortunately as fans there will come a day where we are watching a team without any BODs, D'Arcys, POCs and even the likes of Leamy and Wallace (Jennings had a poor game, he is a good player but I worry about some people automatically ascribing greatness to him based off his Leicester career). So enjoy the relatively good times while we have them

By the way, most of the back three had their shocking moments. It was a bit unfair to point out Carney's defence for the try, there was a man outside Contepomi and I think Carney was going for the intercept, which was probably the only way we were going to score.