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Honours Maths Proofs

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  • 09-06-2007 7:49pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭


    Can anyone give me a list of the mandatory proofs for Paper 2 or a website with them? My notes for them have suddenly all gone missing. :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭analyse this


    1. Perp. Distance from point to line
    2. Cosine rule
    3.Cos (A-B) and all the other trig proofs that follow on from that
    4.Equation of tangent to circle of centre (0,0) and radius r i.e. xx1+yy1=r^2
    4. Loads of trig stuff that I am too tired to explain...Cos2A...Sin2A.. etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭nick23


    Circle: Tangent Theorem
    Line: Angle between lines
    Perpendicualr distance formula
    Trig: cos^2A + sin^2A = 1
    compound angle formula
    COsine rule
    Discrete maths: Difference equation formula


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭analyse this


    Line: Angle between lines

    came up last year... I think I might just ignore it:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 chas_88


    came up last year... I think I might just ignore it:D

    you'd learn that in 5 minutes if you wanted to, just in case. it's probably the easiest proof on paper 2 anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    chas_88 wrote:
    it's probably the easiest proof on paper 2 anyway.

    Well, it is IN the the tables. Essentially.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 52 ✭✭melsman


    nick23 wrote:
    Circle: Tangent Theorem


    is that xx1 + yy1??? dont recognise the name


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    chas_88 wrote:
    you'd learn that in 5 minutes if you wanted to, just in case. it's probably the easiest proof on paper 2 anyway.

    What about sin2A and cos 2A? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    No shortcuts with Honours Maths. There were no proofs in Paper1,meaning there should be plenty of them in paper 2(hopefully).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭analyse this


    Do we need to be able to derive Maclarin Series?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 chas_88


    JC 2K3 wrote:
    What about sin2A and cos 2A? :D

    I don't even count those as proofs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    Do we need to be able to derive Maclarin Series?


    That's not a proof, and you will have to if you do question 8.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    I looked over the proofs last night, and honestly, they seem almost easier than the JC ones(talking partly relative to ability level at the time).

    I don't understand how the line transformation proofs are considered "proofs" tbh....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭analyse this


    Yeah exactly they are basically common sense! Take two parallel lines, translate them and they are parallel!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    The proof given in texts and tests for proving that the line is mapped is like:
    Substitute the expressions for x and y in terms of x' and y' into the line equation.
    Substitute the expressions for x' and y' back to x and y.
    Therefore, a line transformation maps a line.

    ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 348 ✭✭analyse this


    Yeah the book can be pretty vague! Its so frustrating when it jumps a line and doesn't state what it did!!AAAGGH:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Well, it doesn't do that there, I'm just saying that substituting values in and then out again doesn't prove anything that wasn't already obvious.

    I don't really have a problem with them jumping unnecessary lines tbh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    Some transformations map lines to lines and others don't. So, it's a fairly significant thing to prove that all transformations of this particular form do map lines to lines, (and segments to segments, etc.)

    I think a good teacher would have shown you other transformations that don't map lines to lines, so that you would appreciate the significance of what's being proved here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Surely such a transformation would involve squared variables etc. ?

    It's just kind of obvious that a linear transformation maps a line to a line...

    And I do have a good teacher, I just haven't payed attention in class for about 6 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    A transformation that maps a line to a curve might involve squared variables alright (or some other non-linear functions). I wasn't suggesting that transformations of the type I mentioned were on the syllsbus, just pointing out that what you're proving is significant, and that having a look at such transformations makes one realise this significance.

    And why is it obvious that a linear transformation should map a line to a line? Is it just because someone decided to call it linear?

    By the way, a linear transformation that is non-invertible might NOT map a line to a line. For example, the transformation x'=12x+16y, y'=9x+12y maps the line 3x+4y=6 onto the point (24, 18).
    ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭Nehpets


    "compound angle formula"

    what is that?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭MathsManiac


    Nehpets wrote:
    "compound angle formula"

    what is that?

    Probably meant to say "compound angle formulae" (or formulas).

    The formulae for cos(A+B), sin(A+B), tan(A+B), cos(A-B), sin(A-B), tan(A-B) are often called "the compound angle formulae", (because the angles they talk about are made up of other angles).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭Nehpets


    Oh cool, phew!


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