The Roundy House - Cork gone snobby???

Ludo

13 and 15 posts each...Nice trolling lads...now feck off back to wherever ye came from.

Xiangjiao

Ludo wrote: »

13 and 15 posts each...Nice trolling lads...now feck off back to wherever ye came from.

Ah yes, I don't agree with you, so I must be a troll. :rolleyes:

Ludo

Nah...it was your attitude that made you a troll. Disagreeing is perfectly fine...being an ass is not.

Xiangjiao

Ludo wrote: »

Nah...it was your attitude that made you a troll. Disagreeing is perfectly fine...being an ass is not.

Attitude- really, that's just a little bit rich coming from yourself. Up in arms because a bar refused you admission based on their (fairly lax) dress policy. You'd swear you'd been refused based on the colour of your skin or something. And then to wish that the place would go out of business- tiny time nonsense.

Like I said- I think it's ridiculous that places out there insist on black shoes, shirts, etc (as if that makes the wearer less of a scumbag than they already are, or are not). But then, they're usually not my kind of place, and I'm probably not their type of customer, hence, I'm happy to take my business elsewhere. Like you, I probably have a million and one better alternatives to chose, so I don't see the big deal.

Red Hand

Plenty of Munster jerseys around the Roundy today. They bloody well wouldn't have gotten any business if they turned away Munster jersers otherwise.

castie

As someone who has worked in alot of different places in town id just like to say...

First of all, Its their policy not to serve anyone wearing team colours. No bar can operate on one set of rules during the day and one set during the night. I know the lads from the roundy and they run a successful pub, they know what they're doing and have chosen the type of crowd they want. End of the day they are running a business and have made this choice for their business. You may think its snobby but its working for them.

The whole thing of them opening upstairs for sporting events has nothing at all to do with the sports, its about them being smart enough to sport a quick money maker.

The incident in the Mardyke where the guy was told he would have to leave around 9 because of the way he was dressed is illegal, once you have accepted someone onto the premises you need to have a valid reason to get rid of them. Granted you do not have to supply this reason to the person at the time but should it go to court you will have to present the reason. "Your clothing is no longer acceptable since it is 9pm" is not valid by a long shot.

I do think the main issue around town is the lack of consistency with Security. Ive seen people get refused one night for a certain reason (say clothing) but being allowed in to the same venue a different night with the same type of clothing. Its hard to get good security, i must say i think the quality is quite low in some places. For example i was in a nightclub about a month ago and i saw two Security man handle a guy out the door for being too drunk. They treated him as if he had just started a fight and i know some people kick up a stink when being asked to leave and have to be removed but this guy wasn't even resisting. It makes me think that this whole licensing thing is just to catch the guys that weren't registered for tax as it definitely hasn't improved the quality of Security.

castie

Xiangjiao wrote: »

Like I said- I think it's ridiculous that places out there insist on black shoes, shirts, etc (as if that makes the wearer less of a scumbag than they already are, or are not). But then, they're usually not my kind of place, and I'm probably not their type of customer, hence, I'm happy to take my business elsewhere. Like you, I probably have a million and one better alternatives to chose, so I don't see the big deal.

The shoes thing is actually a safety issue, broken class cuts through most runners quite easily whereas the sole on shoes is tougher. I know not all shoes are tough and not all runners aren't but it is generally the case. Since lots of people starting cutting themselves and claiming most clubs decided it was in their best interests.

Also like it or not we live in a world where first impressions are everything. If the difference between a person staying in your club was what they saw when they entered, wouldn't you try to make what they see better?

Ludo wrote: »

The owner is perfectly entitled to enforce whatever dress code he wants...you are correct. And I am perfectly entitled to highlight the fact and give my opinions on it.

You did more than give an opinion, you hoped that a persons business would fail because he held you to a rule that is enforced in his bar. Tad unreasonable there.

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

He's only trying to defend his pub, I hope it's empty today

What makes you think its his pub? he already said "When he comes back..", Which suggests he doesn't even live in Cork. Dont go tarnishing the reputations of people on bad assumptions.

Ludo

castie wrote: »

You did more than give an opinion, you hoped that a persons business would fail because he held you to a rule that is enforced in his bar. Tad unreasonable there.

I agree and I apologise. I do not hope he goes out of business. That was on over reaction from me to someone dragging up such an old post with the attitude that he did. Pigeon holing me as a jock, making out I like dress codes when they suit me, etc etc. If that eejit had come on and simply stated his disagreement (like others on the thread have) there would never have been an issue.

I'm sure the owner will also appreciate his "friend" dragging up this old thread. Or maybe all publicity is good publicity.

chuci

thought it was common knowledge that bouncers in cork are known for being w**kers? as for the runner rule thing never knew it was for the soles. you learn something new every day

Ekancone

Ludo wrote: »

LMAO...this is class...all the wierdos are coming out of the woodwork now. Suddenly I am a rugby jock ...LMAO

The owner is perfectly entitled to enforce whatever dress code he wants...you are correct. And I am perfectly entitled to highlight the fact and give my opinions on it.

It would be a very sad day when Cork goes in the direction of being snobbish and elitist. I personally don't care about Dublin or London either but just used it as an example. What sort of a friendly welcoming city asks a middle aged husband and wife to leave the premises in the middle of a weekday afternoon just because one of them is wearing a sports jersey. I have travelled to many many places around the world and NEVER encountered an attitude like that in a pub on a cities main street. And even being told we couldn't sit outside on the street seating! Again London being an exception (although that is for entirely different reasons to the reason in places like the Roundy)

One pub stops a fella for wearing a sports jersey, and the whole of Cork 'goes in the direction of being snobbish and elitist'. Will ya listen to yerself, lad?

Ekancone

Xiangjiao wrote: »

You'd swear you'd been refused based on the colour of your skin or something.

You are not far off though.

castie

daithifleming wrote: »

One pub stops a fella for wearing a sports jersey, and the whole of Cork 'goes in the direction of being snobbish and elitist'. Will ya listen to yerself, lad?

Its actually standard policy now in alot of places, but only a few extend it to rugby jerseys.

Ekancone

There are dozens of bars where you can wear a jersey, if it is so important to you. If bar owners dont want tacky sports jerseys in their bar, they are perfectly entitled to do so. If you dont want to run the risk of such scenarios, dont wear tacky sports jerseys whilst out socialising. Easy.

sunnyside

castie wrote: »

The shoes thing is actually a safety issue, broken class cuts through most runners quite easily whereas the sole on shoes is tougher. I know not all shoes are tough and not all runners aren't but it is generally the case. Since lots of people starting cutting themselves and claiming most clubs decided it was in their best interests.

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If that's really true, what about all the women in flip flops and ballet flats, surely all runners are safer than those.

Ludo

daithifleming wrote: »

One pub stops a fella for wearing a sports jersey, and the whole of Cork 'goes in the direction of being snobbish and elitist'. Will ya listen to yerself, lad?

The original post was a general question about is this the way things are going to go? My experience of the first pub I happened to go into led me to ask this question ages ago.

daithifleming wrote: »

There are dozens of bars where you can wear a jersey, if it is so important to you. If bar owners dont want tacky sports jerseys in their bar, they are perfectly entitled to do so. If you dont want to run the risk of such scenarios, dont wear tacky sports jerseys whilst out socialising. Easy.

Out socialising? My whole point was that it was the middle of a weekday (afternoon). We happened to be in town finishing off buying a house and decided to stop for a coffee and a beer like you can do in any city in the world. MIDDLE OF THE DAY!!! The bar was empty. Yet myself and the wife asked to leave coz of a rugby shirt? No problem with this in the evening but if people now have to "dress up" when going shopping just in case they want to stop off for a drink break, then this is taking things too far. Frankly, I still find it hard to believe that this kind of attitude exists

I wonder what would have happened if it was an expensive designer rugby shirt I was wearing? Are these banned also?

Xiangjiao

castie wrote: »

The shoes thing is actually a safety issue, broken class cuts through most runners quite easily whereas the sole on shoes is tougher. I know not all shoes are tough and not all runners aren't but it is generally the case. Since lots of people starting cutting themselves and claiming most clubs decided it was in their best interests.

Also like it or not we live in a world where first impressions are everything. If the difference between a person staying in your club was what they saw when they entered, wouldn't you try to make what they see better?

I've actually worked as a bouncer, as well as cursing bouncers as much as the next man.

Things have definitely improved re: dress codes in Cork. I've always though it baffling that a shirt and shoes should make a guy more respectable- shirt and shoes is often the choice of an English lager lout, and doesn't automatically make anyone look more respectable. I'm glad to see this is being relaxed now, but then, I've never been a big fan of places like Reardens, or Havana's, so it's rarely affected me. As a bouncer, you just expect someone to look presentable- doesn't matter if it's a Paul Smit shirt and Gucci loafers, or a a top-man t-shirt and a pair of old converse- as long as they've seen the inside of a washing some time in the last 3 years, that's enough as far as I'm concerned. Thankfully, I've yet to have to work the door in a place with an OTT dress-code, because I don't think I'd be cut out for refusing people on such arbitrary grounds.

I have to say though (and I'd be a big sports fan), that sporting attire is just a bit too casual. If a pub doesn't mind that, that's fine, but if they do, then that's their choice. My own view is that I wouldn't dress that way if I was going out on a date, so I wouldn't assume that it would be okay if I were to head to a bar, nightclub, or restaurant either. I'm all for minimum standards, but one has to draw the line somewhere.

I can see the logic of the safety reasons you cited, but in my experience it's an aesthetic matter. Anachronistic too, but all about the aesthetics. Also, I would stay the standard of bouncer is going up these days- it's still lagging behind Dublin and London, but it's moving the right day. You don't see big lumpy scumbags like those who ran the doors in Henry's or Cubins years ago, because it's accepted now that putting a nutter in charge of your venues security is a liablity- which is bang on the money IMO.

Xiangjiao

Ludo wrote: »

I agree and I apologise. I do not hope he goes out of business. That was on over reaction from me to someone dragging up such an old post with the attitude that he did. Pigeon holing me as a jock, making out I like dress codes when they suit me, etc etc. If that eejit had come on and simply stated his disagreement (like others on the thread have) there would never have been an issue.

Actually, I read your thread months ago, and wasn't able to post a reply. Something I read reminded me, hence the late response. And, based on what you've posted on this thread, I think it's a reasonable deduction to make that you're a bit of a prat. That's not me making a cheap insult- it's just the impression that you've given me. As castie (correctly) stated, you can't (legally) just make up the day's dress code as you go along. I know there are some places that do, but legally and morally that's not right IMHO. If a bar doesn't permit sportswear, then it's your fault for wearing it. End of.

I walked by there last night, and I could see the rules were relaxed- how could any bar (well, I'm sure a few did) enforce a no Munster shirt rule after they've just won the HEC?

Also, I must say I detect this sort of rugby attitude of someone who would probably have a heart-attack if some scobe type came into a pub with a whacker-tache, a celtic shirt, and a gold ear-ring, but thinks it's fine if one wears the shirt of a team from another, more 'respectable' sport. This sort of snobbish, elitist bollocks sickens my **** to be honest. We can't have one rule for rugger heads and another rule for soccer heads- it's untenable.

Ludo wrote: »

I'm sure the owner will also appreciate his "friend" dragging up this old thread. Or maybe all publicity is good publicity.

There you go again Ludo, making assumptions. I said that I know the owner- not that I'm his bestestest buddy. I drank in his old pubs back in the day- Lebowskis and Fargo, two of my favourite pubs- I've drank in the Roundy too, but it wouldn't be favourite spot by a long way. His previous bars and current one are very, very different places, but the general idea re: sports is the same- Cork has an abundance of sports bars, and he's offering something different. Leb's was all about good music and DJs, they had a TV but never showed sports. He threw on the 2000 and 2002 HEC finals, but that was for him and his buddies. The place was deserted while all the Munster fans packed bars like the Rob Roy. In the Roundy, he's shown a bit more, but always in the upstairs bar. And, on these days, he's relaxed the rules. But that's it. Get rid of this ridiculous persecution complex- some places frown upon sportswear, but you have plenty of alternatives if you absolutely feel you must wear a Munstershire shirt when you go shopping- use them, FFS.

Xiangjiao

daithifleming wrote: »

One pub stops a fella for wearing a sports jersey, and the whole of Cork 'goes in the direction of being snobbish and elitist'. Will ya listen to yerself, lad?

Nail.

Head.

Ludo

Xiangjiao wrote: »

Actually, I read your thread months ago, and wasn't able to post a reply. Something I read reminded me, hence the late response. And, based on what you've posted on this thread, I think it's a reasonable deduction to make that you're a bit of a prat. That's not me making a cheap insult- it's just the impression that you've given me. As castie (correctly) stated, you can't (legally) just make up the day's dress code as you go along. I know there are some places that do, but legally and morally that's not right IMHO. If a bar doesn't permit sportswear, then it's your fault for wearing it. End of.

Are you for real? this was a perfectly normal thread until you joined in it. Your attitide dragged it into the ****ter and yet I am the prat?

Xiangjiao wrote: »

I walked by there last night, and I could see the rules were relaxed- how could any bar (well, I'm sure a few did) enforce a no Munster shirt rule after they've just won the HEC?

Good to see the owners hypocrisy in action.

Xiangjiao wrote: »

Also, I must say I detect this sort of rugby attitude of someone who would probably have a heart-attack if some scobe type came into a pub with a whacker-tache, a celtic shirt, and a gold ear-ring, but thinks it's fine if one wears the shirt of a team from another, more 'respectable' sport. This sort of snobbish, elitist bollocks sickens my **** to be honest. We can't have one rule for rugger heads and another rule for soccer heads- it's untenable.

Xiangjiao wrote: »

There you go again Ludo, making assumptions.

Now it is you making the assumptions. I often wear GAA and soccer jerseys also when the mood strikes (or the washing is piling up). Did I EVER say anything about soccer shirts being banned? No I did not yet you seem to know I am a rugby snob. You haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Anyway, this is boring me now. You disagree and that is fine. All you had to do was state your disagreement...not come on shooting your mouth off with comments like "you and your type" in your original reply..i.e making assumptions about me when you don't know the first thing about me.

Xiangjiao

sunnyside wrote: »

If that's really true, what about all the women in flip flops and ballet flats, surely all runners are safer than those.

Yeah, I'm not really buying that either. I can remember years back not being allowed into places because I was wearing a plaster cast, but that's not happening any more. The onus is on the venue to ensure safety, not the punter. If a customer wilfully endangers that, then you eject them.

Xiangjiao

Ludo wrote: »

Are you for real? this was a perfectly normal thread until you joined in it. Your attitide dragged it into the ****ter and yet I am the prat?

No Ludo, I disagreed with you. I also took exception to you wishing bankruptcy on a business venture because they wouldn't serve you wearing a sports shirt. I see you are now belatedly apologising for that, but you exposed yourself by doing so in the first place.

Now, if I've incorrectly lumped you in with the worst sort of pseudo-jocks (and it seems I have, sorry man), I apologise, unreservedly. Maybe you struck a nerve, and I'm sorry. But the crux of the matter remains unchanged- you've shown yourself up to be a bit of a prat on this thread, in my estimation. Wishing a man out of business on such grounds is disgusting, IMO. Simply disgusting.

Tell ya what, if you have that big a problem with it, why not ask to to speak to the owner? I've always found him to be a reasonable sort. But don't go issuing internet vendettas to incite boycotts; it's tiny, tiny time behaviour.

jank

And, based on what you've posted on this thread, I think it's a reasonable deduction to make that you're a bit of a prat

Xiangjiao

jank wrote: »

LOL, very good.

run_Forrest_run

Xiangjiao the OP has apologised about the 'going out of business' point and you are still on about it as a basis for your opinion of him as a prat...get over it already.
There seems to be lots of devils advocates on board here right now at a time when this thread was looking forward to a nice relaxing retirement in the bowels of the boards.ie thread archives.

anyway, Leinster are the best team don't you know 'loike'?

Iliketea

Xiangjiao wrote: »

Wow, get over it. Seriously. Fancy that, a public house refusing service because of sportswear. What is the world coming to?

The funny thing is that (a) the owner is a massive Rugby fan (a real rugby fan, not one of these fly-by-night johnny-come-lately bandwagon hoppers which we have become plagued with), but does not appreciate people in sports gear on the main premises- with some exceptions; his upstairs room will be set-aside especially for Munster fans, many in shirts, today- and for events like the football world cup, but again- upstairs, in the other room, separate from the main bar. But other than than, it is very much not a sports bar.

And (b), you and your type would be the first person to start balling, if, god forbid, a scobe walked into Scotts in a lacoste tracksuit or Liverpool shirt while you were enjoying your afternoon capuccino or a gin and ton-ton.

Some pubs do not want their tone lowered by frauds sporting the colours of whatever bandwagon happens to be in vogue turning up; on the other hand, the lions share of pubs in Cork have no problem with this. So next time, instead of whingeing, leave the sports gear for the sports field (or big occasion), or go to Reardens, the Classic, The Raven, The Newport, the Old Oak, or any other of the innumerable public houses in Cork that would be more than happy to accomodate your sort.

You are some asshole.Your mate that runs the roundy can not change the rules for different people(have seen people in there with sports gear lots of times)or on different days.Your also presumptious and disillusioned.You should take a break from london for a while,hanging around those z list establishments in the west end has gotten to your head.

Dudess

LOL at places like Soho, the Newport, the Woodford, Scotts, the Coal Quay etc reckoning they're "classy" - they're just full of rich, flash knackers and not that different to Waxys.

People have this idea: girls wearing short dresses and heels and drinking cocktails = must be classy. It's eh... naff.

craichoe

Vote with your feet lads, if you don't like the place then hitting them in the pocket is the only place it hurts.

BanzaiBk

craichoe wrote: »

Vote with your feet lads, if you don't like the place then hitting them in the pocket is the only place it hurts.

Exactly. Why anyone would go into the Roundy out of their own free will is beyond me. It's one of those places that because of the clientele thinks it's "something". I met the manager at a small business seminar thing when I was home a few months back and he was a very nice approachable man though.

castie

sunnyside wrote: »

If that's really true, what about all the women in flip flops and ballet flats, surely all runners are safer than those.

Its not reasonable to enforce Women to a shoes dresscode.
It is reasonable to enforce lads to a non runners policy.

Oafley Jones

Dudess wrote: »

LOL at places like Soho, the Newport, the Woodford, Scotts, the Coal Quay etc reckoning they're "classy" - they're just full of rich, flash knackers and not that different to Waxys.

People have this idea: girls wearing short dresses and heels and drinking cocktails = must be classy. It's eh... naff.

There's something really tragic about those pubs mentioned and their clientele. You'll always spot the usual overly self concious characteurs (the guy in his 40s, too much product in the hair, fake tan, sunglasses and clothes that are bit too young for him- conspicuous labels on the women, sunglasses perched back in their hair, expensive clothes that are slightly naff)

Those pubs - coupled with waxys and the catwalk- serve a purpose though. That being, you know where to avoid certain crowds.