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I failed in Tipp town today, first time Gutted.
I got 5 grade 2's and a grade 3 on a right turn (don't know where this happened). I think the whole thing is a waste of time and if you fail you should be told to return to the test centre at that point instead of wasting yours and their time, i.e, driving around for a further 30 mins when you have already failed.
I think i'm disappointed as i had several test lessons and a pre-test and my instructor was very shocked to hear i failed.
Anyone have anything to say about Tipp town? I had been warned not to do the test there.
Would you not rather get your moneys worth? You've paid for the test, so you might as well get the full value out of it, even if you fail early. You say it yourself, you're prepared to pay for a full pretest, but on the actual thing you'd rather they cut it short. pretest test, test pretest, they're supposed to be the same no?0 -
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I'm really frustrated with whole driving test system. I myself failed 2 months ago and I was sure I had passed. Basically failed due to progress in the estates and reversing round the corner. I was told I could take my time doing the reverse so I did, resulting in a perfect reverse. Apparently the perfect execution & result didn't matter to this examiner (gr2 for progress). He appeared to be hurrying me through my test...the first sign of this was barely letting me finish each pre test question before asking me another.
My other progress fails were in the estates really really annoyed me.I was driving just under the limit, It was end of school time, the place was crowded with kids, cars, dogs...and really you're going to mark me for not doing the limit? Really? I think it's disgraceful that we are expected to do the same speed in housing estates as on the 50km roads.
My other grade two's (I only failed by one) included clutch. Unfortunately due to the ridiculous rule of not explaining our faults, I (or my instructor) have no idea why I was marked for this as I am not a coaster.
How will I ever get better if I'm not told where I went wrong. There is absolutely no reason testers can't take 2 minutes to point out where we went wrong or what we need to work on. And as for the rubbish statement that testers know we're nervous & try to put us at ease....really? I said good afternoon and he said 'whats your address' without even looking at me. And the sighing...well I'd heard stories but never really believed it would happen to me. He sat there sighing impatiently as if he were bored..he probably was but still. And I made the mistake of asking should I continue straight (as there was a very narrow road with big trucks & roadworks ahead) because I wasn't sure. "Did I give you any other instruction? No" he said. A simple 'yes,continue' would have been enough. He added to my stress!
Anyway just wanted to get this off my chest. I've lost a lot of confidence after that test...simply due to the not knowing where I went wrong (the parts myself & my instructor can't figure out).I did 6 pre tests perfectly.
I did the test in Tallaght so if anyone's got one coming up just beware of all the roadworks..
Lol seriously..how many car accidents a year do we have? How many deaths, injuries? And they fail people for driving slower rather than faster!! It's a joke
I agree with everything you've said here. My tester had the very same attitude. I think it's terrible that we don't know where we went wrong, how are we supposed to improve so?
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dont mind him littlepink - the exam is completely outdated an people are at the mercy of a tester on the day - i know people who have 5/6 years no claims bonus and cannot pass a test
just unlucky that at this moment tests have reverted back to old, where if you had of sat your test when the rush was on when all the comotion was about cutting down the length of waiting lists you would have stood a better chance as minor discrepincies were overlooked - now its back to testing at an unreasonable standard with a draconian test in place0 -
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dont mind him littlepink - the exam is completely outdated an people are at the mercy of a tester on the day - i know people who have 5/6 years no claims bonus and cannot pass a test
just unlucky that at this moment tests have reverted back to old, where if you had of sat your test when the rush was on when all the comotion was about cutting down the length of waiting lists you would have stood a better chance as minor discrepincies were overlooked - now its back to testing at an unreasonable standard with a draconian test in place
I agree the test is outdated and only covers the very basic driving skills. But if the above were true the statistics for each centre would reflect that, and they simply don't. There are some test centres with a high pass rate and centres with lower pass rates, but to say that, without any doubt it's purely luck of the draw as to whether or not you pass is simply not true.
And to say that someone has been driving for 5+ years and still cannot pass a test, which you state yourself is outdated, then i really would wonder why they can't pass. Provided they have taken lessons with a good driving instructor and understand the various elements of the test there should be no real problems, even if it takes a couple of tries.
I'm not trying to have a go at people, i've been modding, and viewing this thread/forum for long enough to have seen these discussions and how they pan out. And it usually comes down to human nature, in all aspects of life it is very difficult to stand up and say "I made a mistake", however it is all to easy to turn around and say it's someone else's fault. If you can say you made a mistake then you learn from it, if on the other hand you place the blame on someone else, then you learn nothing.0 -
Yeah, the best thing to do is to look on the positive side and do as much as you can with the limited feedback (as you say, marks on a sheet are probably better than nothing).Alanstrainor wrote: »I'm not trying to have a go at people, i've been modding, and viewing this thread/forum for long enough to have seen these discussions and how they pan out. And it usually comes down to human nature, in all aspects of life it is very difficult to stand up and say "I made a mistake", however it is all to easy to turn around and say it's someone else's fault. If you can say you made a mistake then you learn from it, if on the other hand you place the blame on someone else, then you learn nothing.
But quite a number of people are failing and feel it was undeserved*, with some going further and saying the whole thing is a money-making swizz by the RSA.
I think almost everyone here feels that requiring the testers to explain the grading results would be a good thing, improving the learner's road knowledge and safety as well as their confidence in the system's fairness and transparency.
Apart from that, maybe it would also be better if the one fee per test system was replaced with a flat fee (i.e. there would be no financial incentive to fail learners) which would also improve the learner's confidence in the system?
Although then again, there might be a financial incentive to pass people who aren't ready to pass, which would be worse than failing people unnecessarily. Thoughts?
* e.g. a friend told me he'd gotten a grade 2 for lack of progress, and the only place it could have been was on Griffith Ave where he was doing at least the speed limit, but being overtaken by the usual Irish speeders (i.e. most drivers here) - how are you supposed to feel ok about that? Either break the law by speeding to keep up with other speeders, or get a grade 2 fault? It's clearly unfair and poor work by the tester if true.0 -
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Failed last week in Churchtown with far too many grade two's and one grade three on the reverse. The tester was actually a sound chap, he was very chirpy - whistling on the way to the car - and when I got stuck on a few signs he prompted me. Wasn't expecting that at all to be honest, after all the horror stories you hear about them. My aunt once told the chap testing her that she was a little nervous only to be told "you don't speak to the tester."
I was sure I'd failed after less than a minute driving the car. We were stopped at a stop sign and I was second in line and when the car in front of me was gone I followed him without actually stopping at the line. I was concentrating so much on the fact that I'd already failed that when he told me "at the junction ahead take the next left" I was looking far ahead and not at the turn that was just ahead of me. He told me three times, each time sounding more urgent "at the junction ahead take the next left," and I kept nodding, thinking "I heard you the first time," until he said it the fourth time only he was pointing at the turn we were sailing past. Then he looked at me like I was the biggest gob****e ever and shouted "I told you FOUR TIMES!"
He didn't mark anything down for the first few minutes, making me even more sure that I'd failed and he'd just thought "well there's no point now." Nerves got to me bigtime - I cut out twice and the second time, he had to remind me the reason why the car wasn't moving was because I forgot to put it in gear.
We went through one of them roads that is littered with speed bumps and I went through the whole thing in second gear, because I absolutely hate going up to third for 2 seconds then coming back down to second. I know it makes sense, I understand the need to be in second for all bumps, turns, roundabouts etc., and in my head I was thinking "don't be an idiot, just go up to third then come back down," but I just couldn't. Coming down the gears is the worst problem I have, I need to work on that big time.
On the reverse the car felt like it was going up on the kerb but it was only a shore, but I was too panicked to notice. Eventually, after I moved back and forward about five times trying to rectify it, he told me, bless him, that I could just move the car back around and start again, which I did and I got it prefectly except for the fact that there was a car behind me, and I didn't stop, which I think you are supposed to do but he was flashing his lights and motioning at me to continue. I got a grade three for observation there, and I think the tester thought I didn't see the car or something.
Did the turnabout no problem, the hand signals, technical checks etc were fine and he never asked me to do a hillstart.
Overall, I wasn't actually expecting to pass, and I think the 4 month wait for the next test (10 weeks my arse) will help me get better prepared for the next one.0 -
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