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COPA AMERICA - who you on ?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭DRakE


    my first time on the whole gambling thing..

    whats the business about laying and selling and buying and all that? :O


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    DRakE wrote:
    my first time on the whole gambling thing..

    whats the business about laying and selling and buying and all that? :O

    Everything you need to know is here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054910815


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭DRakE


    thanks mate, giving that a read atm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    S.M.B. wrote:
    Went with USA +1.5 myself. Starting to regret it now. :D Still think it'll be closer than the 3 goal victory you're predicting above.

    Think I'm going to stick with the over 1.5/2.5 goals for the rest of the group games.


    Lol argentina win 4-1.
    Handy money.
    Pity i didnt have the nuts to back at -2 handicap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    IrishMike wrote:
    Lol argentina win 4-1.
    Handy money.
    Pity i didnt have the nuts to back at -2 handicap.
    First 60 minutes went exactly according to plan. US seemed very organised and deserved to be level. Pity about the last half hour though! :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    can anybody understand Chile's high price at the moment ?????

    they are back trading @ 70 - 75 on betfair.the same price they were before they took 3 points from the Ecuador game !!!!!

    they play Brazil tonight and that should have been the over-reaction necessary to change the prices,......but with Brazil's new injury crisis, both Brazil and Chile's odds are rising !!!!

    One must wait to see if Mexico fall thru the floor here.

    Please god now Chile will do ok...... 12.5k to win/lay off. A draw may see them thru to the next round.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,810 ✭✭✭DRakE


    so whos your pick then bernard? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    well Ive taken a huge chunk on Chile,....
    I dont know if it was the right choice or not,....... but i think they are a massivly generous price @ 70. Unfortunatly i backed them @ 60 and 65, and have a bit on 75 if i can get it !!!!

    I'm assuming Chile will get through, with 3 points in the bag already.. and with eight teams left it would be hard to envisage odds over 35 - 40 max !!

    of course if Brazil win , and they should.... then Chile's price will rise again a little.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    got out luckily at 65,with a 3k free bet...they'll be up against it now to qualify for the next round.


    Quarter Finals
    07-Jul-2007 Best 3rd Place v 2nd Group B Maracaibo 01:50 GMT
    07-Jul-2007 Winner A v 2nd Best 3rd Place San Cristóbal 23:05 GMT
    08-Jul-2007 Winner B v Second C Maturín 21:05 GMT
    08-Jul-2007 Winner C v Second A Barquisimento 23:50 GMT

    Semi Finals
    10-Jul-2007 Winner QF1 v Winner QF2 Caracas 01:50 GMt
    10-Jul-2007 Winner QF3 v Winner QF4 Puerto Ordaz 01:50 GMT

    Third Place Play-off
    14-Jul-2007 Loser SF1 v Loser SF2 Caracas 22:05 GMT

    Final
    15-Jul-2007 Winner SF1 v Winner SF2 Maracaibo 22:05
    now anybody wondering how the best 3rd place teams are determined ???? read this :

    1.1 Greater number of points obtained.

    1.2 Team with best goal difference. This difference is obtained by subtracting goals conceded from goals scored.

    1.3 If there is no goal difference, the team that will qualify will be the one with greater number of goals scored.

    1.4 If two teams are still tied, and the tie remains, the declared winner will be the winner of the head-to-head match.

    1.5 If qualification cannot be defined after the successive application of the regulation, the drawing of lots in the presence of representatives of the respective institutions will take place.

    1.6 If two teams are equal before they play the last match of their respective group, and if the equality still persists after applying all the criteria described in items 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 e 1.4 successively, the result will be defined in compliance with the execution of the maximum penalties, as determined in the regulations of FIFA.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭ErinGoBrath


    I'm liking the thread Bernard. Keep it going!

    Don't suppose there's any chance of you putting posting a log of your 'trades' from the start of the tournament i.e. Who you bought/sold, for how much and what price.

    It'd be keen to get into this and I'm just curious to see how profitable it can be when done correctly.

    Cheers man :cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    Argentina
    2.17 €1,656.37
    €1,934.38

    Brazil
    3.65 €562.98
    €1,492.94


    Mexico
    12.61 €109.00
    €1,266.00

    Uruguay
    55 €13.00
    €702.00


    Venezuela
    26 €3.50
    €87.50

    Paraguay
    67.53 €128.96
    €8,579.28

    Chile
    61.8 €377.34
    €22,941.86

    Ecuador
    165.2 €45.51
    €7,472.94

    Peru
    77.28 €101.48
    €7,741.00


    Bolivia
    390 €3.31
    €1,287.59
    ................................................................................
    Lay

    Argentina
    2.16 €1,660.91
    €1,921.18


    Brazil
    3.51 €569.35
    €1,431.76


    Mexico
    11.64 €117.48
    €1,250.31

    Venezuela
    21 €4.00
    €80.00


    Paraguay
    66.09 €123.00
    €8,006.00

    Chile
    61.47 €338.79
    €20,486.29

    Ecuador
    145.5 €49.94
    €7,216.55


    Peru
    56.24 €134.28
    €7,417.48


    Bolivia
    270 €4.00
    €1,076.00

    total backed 3001 .......totaL layed 3001.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    thats my average odds,........... but i took a loss on a couple , its only educated guess-work to be honest.

    but the trend is that there is a big over-reaction immediately after a match finishes,............ then it is 4 days or more before the team plays again,.by that stage the "backing frenzy" is over and the prices are rising slowly.

    come the game,....... the pro's withdraw their stakes (for fear of somebody with a quicker feed) .leaving a gap for people to slot their offer in.

    as the game gets under-way,...the casual punter steps in ,.. the guy who dosent know what the real trading price is,........ he see's "30" up when it should be "50" and dosent know any better.

    lets take an example here of Uruaguay .....

    after they won their last game , the price dropped drastically (betting frenzy)..... dropped to about "22" or "23" on the exchanges.
    many days later and the price has risen to "55" which i have just backed.
    nothing has changed , so the price should have remained stable.

    so why the jump from 22 to 55 ?....... lack of betting frenzy.
    Uruaguay play tomorrow night,....... i Reckon i can lay Uruauay for "40"
    giving me a free bet of 15 times my stake.

    I lost the plot on the Paraguay v Colombia game,........
    columbia get a penalty,...... i rushed to lay off ,
    paraguay save the penalty,...kick the ball up the field and score to take the lead.
    My luck is terrible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    My Green Up :

    Argentina
    €9
    Brazil
    €55.11

    Mexico
    €7.51

    Uruguay
    €715.30

    Venezuela
    €7.30

    Columbia
    €0.30

    Paraguay
    €579.54

    USA
    €0.30

    Chile
    €2,494.42

    Ecuador
    €252.26

    Peru
    €291.02

    Bolivia
    €211.20


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    My Green Up :

    Fair play Bernard. Your posts are all top notch. Keep up the good work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Columbia were so bad in there last game against Paraguay in the last game, Argentina -1.5 at evens seems like good value.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭Bateman


    Fair play BH, trying to stay awake is a right struggle. :(

    Argentina
    €0.00

    Brazil
    €0.00

    Mexico
    €23.80

    Uruguay
    €0.00

    Venezuela
    €0.00

    Colombia
    €0.00

    Paraguay
    €551.68

    USA
    €0.00

    Chile
    €0.00

    Ecuador
    €0.00

    Peru
    €146.34

    Bolivia
    €0.00


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Aedh Baclamh


    Guys, got any decent links to learn more about this? Need to get into this soon I feel. Should have traded out last night during the U20 Portugal game :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    We are now an hour before Uraguay kick off,..... they are currently trading @ "40" on betfair,...... asking for 42 and available to back @ 38.

    Venezuela have also dropped,.... which dosent balance correctly,.....they were available @ 70 a few days ago,..... now trading @ 34 and asking for 42.

    oh god,..... Peru are loosing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    Can see argentina getting a good win again tonight.
    Crespo is out for possibly the rest of the tournament but they have Tevez as his
    replacement (unreal strength in depth)
    Should win by at least 1 if not 2.
    Will back them with basically everything in my online accounts and make some
    handy cash hopefully.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    gosh,......thats a commitment isnt it ?!!!!

    could be a slow paced game here,... as they are both through.
    Last night we seen a game go 0-0 , comfortably seeing the 2 teams both go through ! they didnt really fight for table position.

    You could see players getting a break on both sides.

    why not wait a while and get a better price in-running ?

    Best o luck,
    B-Hop


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  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭TheHulk


    Wish I backed the argies at the start of this. :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭ErinGoBrath


    What were the scores last night?

    That's copaamerica.com site it rubbish for keeping up to date


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭Bernard Hopkins


    have a slice of Mexico,......... dosent matter how often they win,..thier price is still up aroung the 12 mark !!!!

    they are fielding almost an entirely different team tonight,..... 8 players from last game left out.
    In steps Marquez.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 323 ✭✭Robin1982


    You can watch the matches live here


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