Colin Mcrae V FORZA 2

lee_baby_simms

jodolan wrote:

You have never driven a rally car yet you can safely say that the handling isnt realistic .

The mind boggles .

haha, have it your way jodolan. It must be everyone else who is wrong.

Villain

lee_baby_simms wrote:

haha, have it your way jodolan. It must be everyone else who is wrong.

Hey you are entitled to your opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree but can I ask what you are using as a comparison to form your opinion?

lee_baby_simms

irish1 wrote:

Hey you are entitled to your opinion and we will just have to agree to disagree but can I ask what you are using as a comparison to form your opinion?

Ok heres my final word:

Why don't you try to get in touch with Codemasters and ask them was DiRT made

(a)to be as realistic as possible or (SIM)

(b)to be fun to play at the expense of realism (ARCADE)

My bet is that they would have no problem admitting (b).

No one is criticizing the game when by calling it an arcade game, its just a fact.

Now i'm done chewing over the same point here. So lets agree to disagree.

Villain

lee_baby_simms wrote:

Ok heres my final word:

Why don't you try to get in touch with Codemasters and ask them was DiRT made

(a)to be as realistic as possible or (SIM)

(b)to be fun to play at the expense of realism (ARCADE)

My bet is that they would have no problem admitting (b).

No one is criticizing the game when by calling it an arcade game, its just a fact.

Now i'm done chewing over the same point here. So lets agree to disagree.

I've already agreed to disagree I was just wondering what you were using to compare the handling of DIRT with?

WRC rally cars handle a lot different than most people think and also if you drive any of the classic rally cars in DIRT you can feel the real difference in some of the older cars that didn't have the same handling as WRC cars have now.

Dublin1983

Out Run C64- Enough Said.

hottstuff

I like the game , despite it not feeling like driving a rallycar lol

jodolan

lee_baby_simms wrote:

Ok heres my final word:

Why don't you try to get in touch with Codemasters and ask them was DiRT made

(a)to be as realistic as possible or (SIM)

(b)to be fun to play at the expense of realism (ARCADE)

My bet is that they would have no problem admitting (b).

No one is criticizing the game when by calling it an arcade game, its just a fact.

Now i'm done chewing over the same point here. So lets agree to disagree.

Id say its a bit of both same as forza , it would be incredible boring if it was just like real life , someone crashes into you you both park up wait for the gaurds , he starts claiming whiplash after a 3 year court case you can finish the race .

they both simulate a driving experience = driving sims

but anyway this is like argueing is this colour bluey green or greeny blue

Tusky

I dont understand why people are getting so defensive about this. Its not an insult to call a game an arcade game. Im not, in your words, 'slagging' it off. I probably prefer arcade racers.

I will pick up DIRT at some stage thought as it seems like lots of fun.

Vegeta

jodolan wrote:

they both simulate a driving experience = driving sims

yes but a driving sim is historically known as a game that trys to use realistic physics, aerodynamics etc and re-create driving a race car

whereas other games (like past Mcrae driving games) are not as strict with the gritty details involved are known as arcade style racers. They are still great fun but not as realistic.

For example PGR3 is a decent arcade style racer, it is pretty easy to drive in this game but I find it a very good game.

I have not played the new McRae game so you will notice i have not passed judgement on this yet. I will download demo tonight and make decision then.

Furp

I have both games a few days now and I think that I really like them both for different reasons.

Dirt is a lot of fun, its fast, the graphics are pretty, and I find myself nearly always watching the replays, which are fantastic, the online aspect is not that great and the achievement's come at a nice pace. The damage modeling is superb and sense of speed astounding.

Forza 2 is also a lot of fun, painting cars is a game until itself, I could spend hours in the paint editor, tweaking and upgrading excellent, balancing the different upgrades to get a car to the top of its class without going into the next one. Trying to get past the next race, the handling of the cars just feels so right, and so far I've found the online races evenly matched and a lot of fun in B class. The replays of races are a bit boring but the photo mode is another area which I really enjoy, the graphics are also excellent but in a different way to Dirt, they are much more fluid.

All I'm saying is its about time we started to get some decent racers on the 360 and I have room for both games to keep me occupied for the foreseeable future.

Now if only we could have Forza 2's photo mode in Colin McCrae DiRT that would make for some great shots.

jodolan

Vegeta wrote:

yes but a driving sim is historically known as a game that trys to use realistic physics, aerodynamics etc and re-create driving a race car

whereas other games (like past Mcrae driving games) are not as strict with the gritty details involved are known as arcade style racers. They are still great fun but not as realistic.

For example PGR3 is a decent arcade style racer, it is pretty easy to drive in this game but I find it a very good game.

I have not played the new McRae game so you will notice i have not passed judgement on this yet. I will download demo tonight and make decision then.

well id class PGR and ridge racer etc as arcade racers games that requir you to sit in the car press go and steer . But you ll see in cloin the amount of tuning that has to be done to a car to get it just right for you , there's as much if not more tweeking to be done to the car than Forza ( not including painting and buying parts ).

Ill understand people playing it a little and thinking its an arcade racer as you slip all over the place but tune it up and its better than Forza Just my opinion and it is based on the whole experience ( steering wheel feedback etc which is far better in colin )

Paddy@CIRL

irish1 wrote:

I have also driven a WRC Subaru Impreza and WRC Ford Escort, but not at the same speed as a top experienced driver that was why I mentioned being in the cars during testing, the handling is very very close to the real thing

How come you only stated in your previous post that you only had passenger rides in one ?

Sorry but there is an awful smell of BS coming from your direction ...

chrislad

Very different games. One is pure arcade racing with the other a pure simulation. It's really apples and oranges here, and I don't feel they have a valid comparison, gameplay wise, to each other. I'd compare DiRT to Burnout before I'd compare it to Forza.

Villain

Paddy@CIRL wrote:

How come you only stated in your previous post that you only had passenger rides in one ?

Sorry but there is an awful smell of BS coming from your direction ...

Because I only drove the cars to a max speed of 60 mph, where as I sat in test drives up to 140mph on real Irish rally stages and let me assure the poster who compared it to been on a plane, I have flown on many planes and it is a million miles from been in the passenger seat of a WRC car been tested by a top Rally driver.

I don't really care if you think my posts are BS but if you check a few threads in the motor forum about best car you have driven or fastest speed you have done in a car you will see I have posted about my expierence in rally cars many times in the past, I'm sure there is many more people who have more expierence than me in WRC's there is a hell of a lot WRC cars in this country now, btw I also tested a WRC Escort in Madeira now that was an expeirence, you think Molls Gap or the Sally gap have drops you would want to see the drops there and the pace of the stages is amazing.

Believe what you want but my posts are genuine.

Pedro Monscooch

Dirt is for sale at E40 and region free on play-asia if you've missed it. Link

Vegeta

Played DiRt last night and its as arcade as arcade racers get. Great fun though, loved the buggy racing.

But yeah its nowhere near a sim. It does have excellent graphics, car/engine sound and car damage though.

The driving itself is not realistic (its great fun, just not realistic)

Villain

What are you comparing it to Vegeta?

I played a bit online last night and drove McCrae's Mk2 Escort the handling seemed very realistic to me, thats some car he has I sat into it in Killarney Race Course a few years ago when he bought it over its like a MK2 with WRC gear in it, anyone that was in Killarney Race course that night will remember he almost lost it on a jump, its a serious car.

Is there a setting in Forza that turns damage off? or is it just the demo that shows feck all damage even if you hit a barrier at top speed?

Ciaran500

irish1 wrote:

Is there a setting in Forza that turns damage off? or is it just the demo that shows feck all damage even if you hit a barrier at top speed?

The damage is set to arcade for the demo, in the full game you can damage engine, suspension, breaks, gearbox and clutch. Although the visual damage isn't as detailed as it is in DiRT cause the manufacturers won't let them

Jip

Don't know what damage is like Dirt but it's decent enough in Forza. After one fast long sweeping bend I overshot it and hit a wall and bounced back into traffic coming behind me leaving me without a front and back bumper and the side in crap. Next lap the bumpers were still sitting in the middle of the track.

Vegeta

irish1 wrote:

What are you comparing it to Vegeta?

Mainly real physics





and being in a family of petrol heads some of whom worked for a racing team who built and raced in a lot of different styles (rally, rally cross, track)

Pedro Monscooch

You call those credentials? I've played Gran Turismo AND Ridge Racer so my opinion is better than yours.

Vegeta

but my knob is bigger than your knob so me champion