Penalty points for Litter

gyppo

Anyone heard of this new proposal - throwing litter out of your car will incur a penalty point on your licence.

Living in a great nation of clots, I'm delighted to see some initiative been taken to clamp down on those who litter - take a walk down any main road, ring road, bypass or boreen to see the amount of crap that's been dumped.

However, why not enforce the current legislation on littering that is already in existance, rather that bringing in parrallel legislation via the penalty point scheme.

I cannot see how littering has become a motoring offence.

Andrewf20

Agreed. I cant see why a fine cant do instead.

Worst I ever saw was a car a few years ago dropping a full bag of McDonalds foods out the rear window.

crosstownk

gyppo wrote:

why not enforce the current legislation on littering that is already in existance, rather that bringing in parrallel legislation via the penalty point scheme.

I cannot see how littering has become a motoring offence.

I heard this idea on the news last night, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm all in favour of preventing/deterring littering, but doing so through the penalty point system makes no sense to me.

egan007

Bad idea because Penalty points were introduces to promote road safety.

Littering, while a bad problem, is not a road safety issue.

Owen

I wouldn't be a bit worried. The idiots that thought this was possible, the intellectually-challenged that actually came up with this concept, are the tidy towns committee. It's a littering offense, not a driving offense, and should be dealt with accordingly.

golden

Agreed on this. Think that littering should impose a fine even a hefty fine but not penalty points as it really nothing to do with driving. Do you get penalty points for walking too fast????

Our man in Havana

I just knew the greens in govt would be trouble.

mickoneill30

Bond-007 wrote:

I just knew the greens in govt would be trouble.

Why? Was it the greens in govt that proposed this?

Our man in Havana

No, but they will surely try to implement it as gormless said last night on the news.

_feedback_

Strange alright ... really can't see how littering can be a motoring offense. Fair enough, as someone posted , somebody throwing a big bag of McD's out the window is dangerous.... But I've never encountered any big problems with litter from cars .. the odd cigarette butt maybe.

A fine definately, but not points.

KTRIC

egan007 wrote:

Bad idea because Penalty points were introduces to promote road safety.

Littering, while a bad problem, is not a road safety issue.

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

prospect

KTRIC wrote:

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

Full of s.h.i.t












Not you, the nappy?

gyppo

KTRIC wrote:

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

I'd hazard a guess though that the impetus behind this is environmental, and sfa to do with road safety.

Drax

KTRIC wrote:

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

Aye... Half a carton of milk! F*ckin skangers...
(good shot though )

KTRIC

prospect wrote:

Full of s.h.i.t



Not you, the nappy?

It wasn't me (luckily) but I believe the nappy was full.

Drax

KTRIC wrote:

It wasn't me (luckily) but I believe the nappy was full.

I someone threw a crappy nappy out their car window and it hit me on the bike I would take great pleasure in following them home, and taking a massive dump on their bonnet. Also leave a little note in their windscreen window reminding of why there was a large turd on their car.

blastman

While I would be all in favour of stiffer punishments for littering e.g. cigarette butt out the car windows means you get a lit cigarette jammed up your left nostril + thousand Euro fine, this has nothing to do with motoring and shouldn't be a points offence.

Drax

blastman wrote:

While I would be all in favour of stiffer punishments for littering e.g. cigarette butt out the car windows means you get a lit cigarette jammed up your left nostril + thousand Euro fine, this has nothing to do with motoring and shouldn't be a points offence.

Agreed.

Wossack

KTRIC wrote:

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

read this thread and thought of the 'Worst thing thats ever hit you from the car in front' thread from the motorbike section (search cant find it though :mad: )

penalty points wont do anything though, it'll just go the way of mobile phone use - stop making more laws, start enforcing current ones

egan007

KTRIC wrote:

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

Well I under stand from that point of view -
I would however being in favour of a 100Euro fine rather than PP

seamus

Well, obviously the points would only be applied where someone was caught ejecting litter from their vehicle, and not for just littering anywhere.

As KTRIC says, ejecting litter from a moving vehicle is a safety issue for motorcyclists (and to a lesser extent cyclists), though I wouldn't say it's a huge one.

As pointed out, it's enforcement that's the problem, not the law. The fines for littering are huge, as they are for dumping, but the chances of getting caught are minimal. So too would it be with this.

R.O.R

egan007 wrote:

Well I under stand from that point of view -
I would however being in favour of a 100Euro fine rather than PP

From memory I think the current fine is €125 for littering from a vehicle. Have seen a couple of fines come in for this and been amazed at the cost.

Gran Hermano

Whilst I am not condoning littering and support serious fines for offenders,
hell give them a €500 fine for 1st offense, what the hell has this got to
do with motoring and road safety? If one throws a piece of paper from their
car they get penalty points, but if they park and leave their car and then
drop some paper they just get the fine. Only in Ireland would we put up with
a proposal like this.What about cyclists and pedestrians, whys should they
get a lesser penalty than motorists?

What's next, getting penalty points for not having a TV license or not having
your do dog on a leash?

barryfitz

KTRIC wrote:

Are you kidding ?? I thought you being a biker you'd know that littering from a moving vehicle is fairly dangerous.

Ask any biker and I'm sure they'll have several stories about getting hit with things being thrown from cars including lit fags, cans and even nappies.

Is it anymore dangerous than someone throwing a lit fag or any other rubbish from the footpath.!!! Should a person get penalty points for any type of littering in that case?

Lord Nikon

There's nothing worse than a fresh nappy to the face.

unkel

Gormley welcomes points for litter idea

What a load of rubbish

gyppo

unkel wrote:

Gormley welcomes points for litter idea

What a load of rubbish

How many times have we seen this - instead of enforcing current legislation, lets come up with another way of being seen to address a problem??
Surely if a guard see's a person littering from a car, can they not apply the terms of the current litter act. FFS, section 27 of this act specifically relates to vehicles.
http://acts.oireachtas.ie/zza12y1997.6.html#zza12y1997s27

seamus

barryfitz wrote:

Is it anymore dangerous than someone throwing a lit fag or any other rubbish from the footpath.!!!

Yes it is.

There was a big thread on it but rubbish thrown out a car window, particularly cigarettes, have a tendency to hit a biker that's driving behind you, no matter what way you throw it out your window (it has to do with air currents).

Victor Meldrew

elviscostello wrote:

. But I've never encountered any big problems with litter from cars .. the odd cigarette butt maybe.

A fine definately, but not points.

I think it's a great idea, but as always it won't be enforced.

Litter is repugnant and a sign that you don't care about your society. anyone i've ever seen flicking anything out of a car window is usually a low-life who should be off the road.:mad:

Gran Hermano

Victor Meldrew wrote:

anyone i've ever seen flicking anything out of a car window is usually a low-life who should be off the road.:mad:

And with regard to pedestrians that litter, do you propose they should
be off the path? Nothing but discrimination against motorists yet again.

gyppo

Victor Meldrew wrote:

I think it's a great idea, but as always it won't be enforced.

Litter is repugnant and a sign that you don't care about your society. anyone i've ever seen flicking anything out of a car window is usually a low-life who should be off the road.:mad:

At the end of the day, littering is totally seperate from motoring related offences - so why should there be a penalty point applied to motorist's that litter? There is already legislation in place to deal with littering - why not enforce that?