Ideal policitcal policy

McSandwich · 26-06-2007 4:26pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

No it probably won't but it would be a great way of getting rid of them.

On one hand you want to 'get rid of' anyone who disagrees with your policies, on the other you are anti abortion. What do you think gives you (or anyone) the right to dictate who should live and who should die?

seamus · 26-06-2007 4:37pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

There are substances that have been documented to lead to suicide after just one dose

Such as?

everyone has heard of ecstasy users dieing from just one table

And everyone has heard of the guy who never got on a plane in his life and then tragically died when it crashed. Although the details are never released, you can be sure that it wasn't MDMA that those "one-timers" took, rather a mixture of many more toxic chemicals. Hundreds of thousands of ecstasy tablets are taken in this country each weekend. When's the last time you heard of an Irish person dying from taking it?
By contrast, when's the last time an Irish person died from alcohol poisoning?

crack cocaine addicts often become addicted after just one dose such is the intensity of the high

Cocaine is a particularly addictive drug, though reports of addiction after a single hit are usually off-the-cuff, or pure media FUD. I would theorise that people who become "addicted" after one hit are already addicted to other narcotics (thereby transferring their addiction), or are predisposed to addiction.
Of course you would be equally naive to just go try a drug without reading up on its effects.

The poster's point that brought us onto this is that most of what you say about drugs is just your opinion, like most of what I'm saying is just my opinion and most of what everyone else is saying is just their opinion. What you're proposing is forcing your opinions (not just about drugs) onto society. How would you like me to force my opinions on you?

OT: Interestingly nicotine has been found in a number of studies to be more addictive than any street narcotics, mainly due to refinement by the tobacco companies.

jor el · 26-06-2007 5:38pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

my dogs faces

oneeyedsnake wrote:

everyone has heard of ecstasy users dieing from just one table, crack cocaine addicts often become addicted after just one dose such is the intensity of the high, the list goes on. In short you are wrong.

Or even shorter again, you're wrong. We've all heard the stories of people dieing after one E. Just like the stories of people getting abducted by aliens, or dogs with multiple faces or WIFI units that eat babies. There's always a story but never any proof.

There are substances that have been documented to lead to suicide after just one dose

One would have thought you'd be in favour of such substances as it would sort out all the junkies for you, meaning you wouldn't have to bother executing them or throwing them in jail.

DarkJager · 26-06-2007 6:50pm

There are substances that have been documented to lead to suicide after just one dose

Name them. I've done nearly every substance under the sun (excluding heroin and crack) and I haven't committed suicide yet. You are wrong.

everyone has heard of ecstasy users dieing from just one table

Everybody has heard the media spook stories about ecstasy. Truth is, all "ecstasy" related deaths had nothing to do wih the drug itself, they were caused by Water Intoxication (look it up when you do some real research into drugs). Again, you are wrong.

DarkJager, I am living life it just doesn’t involve consuming or dealing class a drugs. I really pity you if your view on life has been so twisted that you consider living life to involve consuming cocaine,heroin,LSD ect...

Did I say anything about life revolving around drugs?? No. I like to smoke weed (its much better than alcohol and less dangerous), and I may take ecstasy on the very odd weekend to increase my enjoyment, but by no means does life revolve around them. You're obviously a very gullible person as you read like a guide to the dangers of drugs, written by someone who's never even ****ing touched them. I'm not saying you should try them, but don't be so narrow minded that you believe your way of thinking is the right one.

MDMA (ecstasy), was used in research into helping victims of childhood trauma or other violent experiences. In the research they found that subjects who were given MDMA, were able to move on from the traumatic experiences and begin to live a normal life. Doesn't sound too bad does it?

Marijuana is used as a medical aid in Canada, to help people suffering from eating disorders such as anorexia. A side effect of marijuana, is that it makes you feel hungry, thus its benefits to sufferers of the above. Again, doesn't sound so evil does it?

To be honest, I feel sorry for you. You're a victim of "Old Ireland", where everything thats even remotely taboo is "evil" and should be wiped out. Before you start berating the things some people enjoy, you should really do a bit of research into it and make up your own mind then. Read the positive and negatives, then come back with an informed answer. Not some ****ing copy and paste job from TalktoFrank.

Sam Vimes · 26-06-2007 7:23pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

There are substances that have been documented to lead to suicide after just one dose,

examples.....

oneeyedsnake wrote:

everyone has heard of ecstasy users dieing from just one table,

i seen the loch ness monster i swear.

these deaths are almost invariably due to tablets being laced with rat poison etc. or for example heroin users who get a batch thats stronger than normal and over dose. both of those cases are arguments for legalisation and regulation rather than death sentences

GhostInTheRuins · 26-06-2007 7:35pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

(all death sentence would be carried out with 1 hour of sentencing by public hanging out side the court house)

Wow. just wow.

poker_face · 26-06-2007 7:38pm

I just read through some of this thread and I actually laughed out loud for alot of it. I can only assume that the OP is taking the piss because the more he types the worst he's looking. I'd be afraid for our education system if someone like the OP is really half the way through a master's cos quite frankly OP, you're coming across as fairly stupid and very stubborn.

It's almost as if he's been brainwashed or something because he doesn't seem to be even considering anyone else's viewpoint.

Sam Vimes · 26-06-2007 8:01pm

poker_face wrote:

he doesn't seem to be even considering anyone else's viewpoint.

well if he did that he wouldn't be a radical right wing nut job

DarkJager · 26-06-2007 8:07pm

He's not radical, he's not right wing, and he's not clever.

Tellox · 26-06-2007 8:50pm

Jumping in a bit late here I know, but I think some of your policies are quite good, but I wouldnt agree with some of them.

Unfortuntly, us internet folk arent exactly going to be top runners in any campaigns coming up

I was thinking of setting up a website with my own policies to get a reaction, but I doubt the public would be very appreciative of them. Anywho, allow me to entertain you.

1: Codename "Travellers rights my hole";
Enforce gardaí to take a much stricter stance on our travelling community, when it comes to them not insuring their cars,vans etc etc. If their van is on the side of the road, and they dont have any permission to be there, they can feck off. When it comes to haulting sites etc etc, I'd leave them there. Better to keep them in a concentrated area where you can keep an eye on them, rather than dispersed/roaming the streets etc.

2: Codename "Drink and Drugs";
I smoke myself, and to be honest I enjoy it. And I'd never outlaw cigarettes - not for pleasure reasons, but for tax reasons. Because lets be honest, us smokers have probably paid for a couple of good roads by now. I'd increase the pricing of cigarettes though - not to €20, of course. I'd also avoid the "gruadual shift" of cigarette pricing, ala 20c this month, another 40c in 2 months etc etc. For those "thinking" about giving up, a steep sudden increase might just give them a nudge towards that. I'd call €9 a stopping point on cigarettes. Any higher and we're just asking for imported cigarettes being sold at the side of the street.

Secondly, here comes the religious fanatics - legalising cannabis. I'd be fairly strict on it though. Before I go on, I dont smoke hash. I never really enjoyed it. Firstly, it wouldnt be the soapbar ****e you'd find in Ireland. I'd prefer selling them as pre-rolled, to over 21's only, with a decent bit of tax thrown on. In fairness, the hash problem of Ireland will never be solved - and Im sorry OP, but nobody would support 5 year sentances for carrying a small amount of hash. Its far too strict for Joe Soap just looking to relax a bit in the evening. Instead of paying for a couple of guns in columbia, why not use that money to build a new hospital, or a road?

3; Codename "Operation Get in line or Get out".
This policy is quite similar to OP's. Asylum seekers breaking the law should be immediatly deported. Secondly, any asylum seeker having a child in Ireland will not be granted asylum, nor child support. If you are confident enough in having a child, you should be paid well enough to support both yourself and your offspring.

Once again, you will not be offered a home while there are Irish homeless on the street.

4; Codename "Work."
The maximum amount of time you can remain on the dole is 4 months, bar say, the handicapped etc. After this, you will no longer be supported by the government. It is required that you have worked a minimum of one year(@32+ hrs a week) before you have any eligability for government support.

5; Codename "Pay the Price"
As OP said, more jails, tougher sentances. Secondly, less-serious offenders who are serving sentances, will also be required to work manual labour - i.e; litter picking, laying roads (supervised, of course) etc etc. This will provide for a cheap work force, getting a little money back out of the amount it costs to keep them locked up.

I support the death penalty in very few cases. Mainly because there is always a chance of sending an innocent man to his death. Because of this, I would not condone it. Sentances should be made longer though. Drink driving causing a death will always be trialed as a murder. Manslaughter is out of question. As far as ASBO's go, community service. Possibly creative punishments here - ala, if youre caught spraypainting a wall, you'll be cleaning walls around the country for the next month

6; Abortions legalised.
Im not for abortions - but if someone wants one, England isnt a very long trip away. I'd rather the money went into our own pockets than into a foreign country.

There's plenty of things that I'd like to continue on with, but I suspect that those of you who managed to read this far into the post - and congrats to those of you that did - are now very bored

dermo88 · 26-06-2007 9:07pm

Hello again oneeyedsnake.

Thanks Tellox for that post. Thats HOW oneeyedsnake could have expressed himself, but he is sadly, unable to. Thats reasoned argument, and it looks well thought out and considered.

You referred to me as a "blind fool", you also inform us that you are "halfway through a masters degree" and then refer to me as a "spineless fool". You then wish that you Father attacked you with a 2 x 4 in oder to prevent you from drinking alcohol before you were 18.

Your spelling and grammar are diabolical.

Your interpersonal skills leave much to be desired.

You have no tolerance, you would turn Ireland into a police state, and as for legalising abortion, your continued existence is one reason to legalise abortion, despite my personal revulsion with abortions. For anyone to consider some of the inhuman policies, such as public executions, that indicates a warped mind.

You insulted me, but I do not take offence. I look at you as a small insignificant insect of a man, who will be hit by the flyswat of reality upon leaving college. You are being driven around in Daddys mercedes, and hidden in some multi million euro palace from the realities of life. Instead of your parents helping you with your English grammar, they were out working or having pointless insignificant social lives. You now make up for this neglect with mental masturbation on a keyboard. The result are occasional right wing nocturnal ejaculations, for which you are rapidly becoming notorious.

I suggest you get off this forum for your own sake, or get a new identity. May I suggest Sheridan Bucket (pronounced Bouquet).

You have not got the eloquence to express yourself in a rational and coherent manner, and other posters, who were stoned, drunk, or both managed to discredit you.

You expect to get a masters degree when you are sober, and you have to limp around with a chip that size on your shoulders. Get over it, there are no surgical procedures to deal with chips that size. If you dislike Ireland and the good and bad people in it so much, go to Singapore or Saudi Arabia, but you'd have problems in Singapore, the immigration officer would look at you, and stamp REJECT in your passport upon looking at you, but Daddy could always fix that. You could then go to Geylang and make love to the cleanest prostitutes in Asia. But you'd die of a heart attack on being fellated. Poor thing, bless.

Or Saudi Arabia, where there are no homosexuals, public executions, and everything is perfect. Alcohol is made using a Pineapple, Sugar, and Bread (Remember that, it WILL be useful). You'll have to get a circumcision, which means no masturbation for 6 weeks, and convert to Islam. Remember to wear a Burkha, or you'll scare the natives, who are, naturally, inferior to you.

Your probably so ugly that you would not score in a darkroom of a gay sauna, which is a good reason for resenting homosexuals, or do you have something to hide?

No wonder you are pissed off. You are blaming smokers, refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers, and the unemployed for Irelands problems.

You've been good entertainment, but you have made an idiot of yourself.

I apologise to any other posters and moderators, other than oneeyedsnake for any offence I may cause.

Sam Vimes · 26-06-2007 9:25pm

DarkJager wrote:

He's not radical, he's not right wing, and he's not clever.

he's suggesting executing up to 50% of our population including brian cowen (he was the one who admitted smoking hash right?). you say he's not radical but he's hardly moderate

oneeyedsnake · 26-06-2007 11:50pm

dermo88 wrote:

Hello again oneeyedsnake.

Thanks Tellox for that post. Thats HOW oneeyedsnake could have expressed himself, but he is sadly, unable to. Thats reasoned argument, and it looks well thought out and considered.

You referred to me as a "blind fool", you also inform us that you are "halfway through a masters degree" and then refer to me as a "spineless fool". You then wish that you Father attacked you with a 2 x 4 in oder to prevent you from drinking alcohol before you were 18.

Your spelling and grammar are diabolical.

Your interpersonal skills leave much to be desired.

You have no tolerance, you would turn Ireland into a police state, and as for legalising abortion, your continued existence is one reason to legalise abortion, despite my personal revulsion with abortions. For anyone to consider some of the inhuman policies, such as public executions, that indicates a warped mind.

You insulted me, but I do not take offence. I look at you as a small insignificant insect of a man, who will be hit by the flyswat of reality upon leaving college. You are being driven around in Daddys mercedes, and hidden in some multi million euro palace from the realities of life. Instead of your parents helping you with your English grammar, they were out working or having pointless insignificant social lives. You now make up for this neglect with mental masturbation on a keyboard. The result are occasional right wing nocturnal ejaculations, for which you are rapidly becoming notorious.

I suggest you get off this forum for your own sake, or get a new identity. May I suggest Sheridan Bucket (pronounced Bouquet).

You have not got the eloquence to express yourself in a rational and coherent manner, and other posters, who were stoned, drunk, or both managed to discredit you.

You expect to get a masters degree when you are sober, and you have to limp around with a chip that size on your shoulders. Get over it, there are no surgical procedures to deal with chips that size. If you dislike Ireland and the good and bad people in it so much, go to Singapore or Saudi Arabia, but you'd have problems in Singapore, the immigration officer would look at you, and stamp REJECT in your passport upon looking at you, but Daddy could always fix that. You could then go to Geylang and make love to the cleanest prostitutes in Asia. But you'd die of a heart attack on being fellated. Poor thing, bless.

Or Saudi Arabia, where there are no homosexuals, public executions, and everything is perfect. Alcohol is made using a Pineapple, Sugar, and Bread (Remember that, it WILL be useful). You'll have to get a circumcision, which means no masturbation for 6 weeks, and convert to Islam. Remember to wear a Burkha, or you'll scare the natives, who are, naturally, inferior to you.

Your probably so ugly that you would not score in a darkroom of a gay sauna, which is a good reason for resenting homosexuals, or do you have something to hide?

No wonder you are pissed off. You are blaming smokers, refugees, immigrants, asylum seekers, and the unemployed for Irelands problems.

You've been good entertainment, but you have made an idiot of yourself.

I apologise to any other posters and moderators, other than oneeyedsnake for any offence I may cause.

Dermo88 you obviously have something against me, from post one you have been resorting to petty personal insults. I am not offended by these: I have been called worse in the past and will probably be called worse in the future; thankfully I possess the self esteem to allow me to ignore these insults. I assume you are holding back considerably when you address me, either that or you are a rather dull individual. Also now that I have finally gotten through to you that I am no racist and have no affiliation with storm front. I would like to point out to you that I am no rich boy. I certainly don't live in a palace, my father doesn’t drive a merc or anything or the sort, and in all fairness what middle aged middle class social lives amount to anything more than "pointless insignificant social lives" apart from yours of course! You are right however when you say my grammar and spelling is awful however I don't apologize and don't really care. I simply don't put any effort into my grammar while posting on these forums, besides I have written enough first class honours essays in the past few years to allow myself the occasional blupper on boards.ie. I can understand that you don't agree with me on all if any of my points and I accept that. I realise that I am not everyone's cup of tea: I don't expect to be. I have to admit that I was using this board as a sounding board (pardon the pun) for my most extreme set of policies and in the next few days I will be drawing up a modified list so stay tuned. I originally planned to write some pretty harsh comments about you dermo88 but have decided against as you are simply not worth the effort.

McSandwich · 26-06-2007 11:51pm

Tellox wrote:

Enforce gardaí to take a much stricter stance on our travelling community, when it comes to them not insuring their cars,vans etc etc. If their van is on the side of the road, and they dont have any permission to be there, they can feck off.

I'd be happy if the law was applied equally to all citizens in this regard. I've often considered getting a few mates together and setting up camp in the local / green space where we could partake in some illegal dumping - just to see how long we'd get away with it before being forcibly removed and locked up.

Tellox wrote:

When it comes to haulting sites etc etc, I'd leave them there. Better to keep them in a concentrated area where you can keep an eye on them, rather than dispersed/roaming the streets etc.

Hitler had similiar ideas for the German Travelling community amongst many other groups..

oneeyedsnake · 26-06-2007 11:55pm

Tellox wrote:

Jumping in a bit late here I know, but I think some of your policies are quite good, but I wouldnt agree with some of them.

Unfortuntly, us internet folk arent exactly going to be top runners in any campaigns coming up I was thinking of setting up a website with my own policies to get a reaction, but I doubt the public would be very appreciative of them. Anywho, allow me to entertain you.

1: Codename "Travellers rights my hole";
Enforce gardaí to take a much stricter stance on our travelling community, when it comes to them not insuring their cars,vans etc etc. If their van is on the side of the road, and they dont have any permission to be there, they can feck off. When it comes to haulting sites etc etc, I'd leave them there. Better to keep them in a concentrated area where you can keep an eye on them, rather than dispersed/roaming the streets etc.

2: Codename "Drink and Drugs";
I smoke myself, and to be honest I enjoy it. And I'd never outlaw cigarettes - not for pleasure reasons, but for tax reasons. Because lets be honest, us smokers have probably paid for a couple of good roads by now. I'd increase the pricing of cigarettes though - not to €20, of course. I'd also avoid the "gruadual shift" of cigarette pricing, ala 20c this month, another 40c in 2 months etc etc. For those "thinking" about giving up, a steep sudden increase might just give them a nudge towards that. I'd call €9 a stopping point on cigarettes. Any higher and we're just asking for imported cigarettes being sold at the side of the street.

Secondly, here comes the religious fanatics - legalising cannabis. I'd be fairly strict on it though. Before I go on, I dont smoke hash. I never really enjoyed it. Firstly, it wouldnt be the soapbar ****e you'd find in Ireland. I'd prefer selling them as pre-rolled, to over 21's only, with a decent bit of tax thrown on. In fairness, the hash problem of Ireland will never be solved - and Im sorry OP, but nobody would support 5 year sentances for carrying a small amount of hash. Its far too strict for Joe Soap just looking to relax a bit in the evening. Instead of paying for a couple of guns in columbia, why not use that money to build a new hospital, or a road?

3; Codename "Operation Get in line or Get out".
This policy is quite similar to OP's. Asylum seekers breaking the law should be immediatly deported. Secondly, any asylum seeker having a child in Ireland will not be granted asylum, nor child support. If you are confident enough in having a child, you should be paid well enough to support both yourself and your offspring.

Once again, you will not be offered a home while there are Irish homeless on the street.

4; Codename "Work."
The maximum amount of time you can remain on the dole is 4 months, bar say, the handicapped etc. After this, you will no longer be supported by the government. It is required that you have worked a minimum of one year(@32+ hrs a week) before you have any eligability for government support.

5; Codename "Pay the Price"
As OP said, more jails, tougher sentances. Secondly, less-serious offenders who are serving sentances, will also be required to work manual labour - i.e; litter picking, laying roads (supervised, of course) etc etc. This will provide for a cheap work force, getting a little money back out of the amount it costs to keep them locked up.

I support the death penalty in very few cases. Mainly because there is always a chance of sending an innocent man to his death. Because of this, I would not condone it. Sentances should be made longer though. Drink driving causing a death will always be trialed as a murder. Manslaughter is out of question. As far as ASBO's go, community service. Possibly creative punishments here - ala, if youre caught spraypainting a wall, you'll be cleaning walls around the country for the next month

6; Abortions legalised.
Im not for abortions - but if someone wants one, England isnt a very long trip away. I'd rather the money went into our own pockets than into a foreign country.

There's plenty of things that I'd like to continue on with, but I suspect that those of you who managed to read this far into the post - and congrats to those of you that did - are now very bored

Thanks for the support.I agree with most of this except point 6,only in cases of pregnacy resulting from rape would an abortion be considered.Abortion are vial,evil procedures where and unborn child is murdered,anyone who has had an abortion is a murder,a scumbag baby killer.

oneeyedsnake · 26-06-2007 11:57pm

DarkJager wrote:

He's not radical, he's not right wing, and he's not clever.

In fairness I am pretty radical.I don't really consider myself right wing.I suppose I haven't come across as the brightest spark during this thread,but I'm clever enough to realise that!

mikemac · 27-06-2007 12:03am

oneeyedsnake wrote:

26.The end of pointless figuer head positions.No morre presidents,as money is alocated to public transport and education the end of of these pointless positions would free up money.

Can you expand on this one?
Despite the poor spelling, I think you want to abolish the the role of the President.
I've never heard of a Republic without a President, maybe it's possible but I've never heard of an example. Are you planning to abolish the republic?

You've some good points but this one wasn't in your original post.
And if you want to free up money for education and transport, maybe you should concentrate in taking on the all powerful unions and not get rid of the Presidency

Edit: I'm no spelling nazi. But you've posted in another post that you don't care about grammer. Fair enough but it doesn't make it easy for us so maybe we'll all loose interest and not be bothered with your posts. It works two ways

McSandwich · 27-06-2007 12:25am

oneeyedsnake:

Under your proposals, a pregnant woman found guilty of supplying cannabis would face the death penalty within the hour. As a result, the woman's pregnancy would be terminated, killing her unborn child. But, hang on, aren't you against abortion?

Maybe you should think about the far reaching consequences before suggesting policies which determine whether someone lives or dies.

oneeyedsnake · 27-06-2007 12:29am

QUOTE=DarkJager]Name them... You are wrong.[/QUOTE]

No I'm afraid I'm correct.Ipomea viloacea seeds contain a lysergic acid derivative in the seeds (ergine),when the seeds are ground up and eaten they have LSD like effects. In one documented case after one dose the user experienced persistent psychosis which lead to his suicide.Thats all I can remember from what I read,if you want further information I would be happy post a reference tomorrow.

DarkJager wrote:

Everybody has heard the media spook stories about ecstasy. Truth is, all "ecstasy" related deaths had nothing to do with the drug itself, they were caused by Water Intoxication (look it up when you do some real research into drugs). Again, you are wrong.

I am aware that some deaths are due to water intoxication (which leads to the brain swelling which in turn leads to various complications resulting in brain damage and sometimes death) but not all. Allot of ecstasy deaths are due to hypothermia which leads to kidney and heart failiour.So it’s a catch 22 situation isn't it? Your ill informed drivel would lead the average idiot to believe "I'll be alright as long as I don't drink water”. So as their body temperature soars they think they'll be okay as long as they don't over do it on the water until their heart stops. I have been told that that all ecstasy deaths are as result of an allergic reaction, however it was an ecstasy dealer that told me this so it was probably bull, might have been the same guy that told you all deaths result from water intoxication. Also 7% of Caucasians have a mutation in the gene that codes the isoenzyme that metabolizes MDMA which leaves ~7% of the population with a greater likelihood of experiencing the side effects. It’s also true that ecstasy batches can be laced with other toxic substances to act as diluents ect which could leas to the death of the unfortunate drug user: all the more reason to be careful. We are dealing with the drug as a whole not just its active constituent so it dosen’t matter whether its MDMA that causes the death or the excipients used in the tablets manufacture.

DarkJager wrote:

MDMA (ecstasy), was used in research into helping victims of childhood trauma or other violent experiences. In the research they found that subjects who were given MDMA, were able to move on from the traumatic experiences and begin to live a normal life. Doesn't sound too bad does it?
.

Yes it was also used by marriage counselors and gained the nickname "the love drug”. These are the clinical uses, they should have no bearing on social uses. You fail to mention that it was withdrawn from use. The drug would have been in completely pure from and only used under medical supervision. Cyclophosphamide is a great drug so why don't you take some next Saturday?

DarkJager wrote:

Marijuana is used as a medical aid in Canada, to help people suffering from eating disorders such as anorexia. A side effect of marijuana, is that it makes you feel hungry, thus its benefits to sufferers of the above. Again, doesn't sound so evil does it?.

Yes there are a number of canabinoid preparations available that use both synthetic THC and botanical extracts. It also used in the States, Mexico, and Spain. Heroin is used as a pain killer in late stage cancer patients, amphetamine is used an appetite suppressant, cocaine is used by dentists as a local anesthetic, and the list goes on and on. I Don’t understand your point though, of course some class a, b and c drugs have clinical uses, so what? That doesn’t automatically mean is okay for every to dick and Harry can self administer the street grade junk as they feel appropriate.

DarkJager wrote:

To be honest, I feel sorry for you.

The feeling is mutual.

dermo88 · 27-06-2007 12:39am

Dermo88 you obviously have something against me, from post one you have been resorting to petty personal insults.

I most certainly do have something against your views. I hope its not a reflection of your persona in public. I suspect that in the setting of a Pub, with a few pints, you are, quite likely, an honourable, interesting and upstanding member of the community. However, your internet persona is pretty scary.

I am not offended by these: I have been called worse in the past and will probably be called worse in the future; thankfully I possess the self esteem to allow me to ignore these insults. I assume you are holding back considerably when you address me, either that or you are a rather dull individual.

No problem in that whatsoever. This is merely a clash of egos and personalities. A battle where the pen is mightier than the sword.

On being dull, how can a homosexual rail enthusiast International traveller who likes fast cars, debates, clubbing, good food, cooking, fashion, music, politics, alcohol and the occasional spliff possibly be dull. Theres more to me than that, and I am sure that theres a lot more to you.

Also now that I have finally gotten through to you that I am no racist and have no affiliation with storm front. I would like to point out to you that I am no rich boy. I certainly don't live in a palace, my father doesn’t drive a merc or anything or the sort, and in all fairness what middle aged middle class social lives amount to anything more than "pointless insignificant social lives" apart from yours of course!

Good, admittedly I was taking the piss. I admit to being cruel. I don't expect to be forgiven though.

You are right however when you say my grammar and spelling is awful however I don't apologize and don't really care. I simply don't put any effort into my grammar while posting on these forums, besides I have written enough first class honours essays in the past few years to allow myself the occasional blupper on boards.ie.

If your spelling and grammar are awful, thats fine. Its just a weakness I use to tackle you in a debate. But I suspect that your ability with numbers and other fields would leave me in the dust.

I can understand that you don't agree with me on all if any of my points and I accept that. I realise that I am not everyone's cup of tea: I don't expect to be. I have to admit that I was using this board as a sounding board (pardon the pun) for my most extreme set of policies and in the next few days I will be drawing up a modified list so stay tuned.

Look forward to that. A small tip. Do a cause and effect analysis of these. Politics and political policy is rarely decided by one man. As a nation of 4 Million people, we are regarded as a beacon to the new nations in the European Union. Its taken 90 years since the 1916 rising to forge the nation. Granted, its not what everybody wants, but that is the nature of democracy, and the free market. Noone to date has come up with a better system.

I originally planned to write some pretty harsh comments about you dermo88 but have decided against as you are simply not worth the effort.

Be my guest. I have put my foot in it. I'll admit when I am wrong. I am living proof that a computer, Internet connection and a whiskey bottle are a lethal mix, designed to annoy moderators and the public alike.

Tchocky · 27-06-2007 1:39am

When the whole world has a problem with you....

Shadowless · 27-06-2007 1:51am

Mary Lou...Is that you?

Sam Vimes · 27-06-2007 2:16am

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Yes there are a number of canabinoid preparations available that use both synthetic THC and botanical extracts. It also used in the States, Mexico, and Spain. Heroin is used as a pain killer in late stage cancer patients, amphetamine is used an appetite suppressant, cocaine is used by dentists as a local anesthetic, and the list goes on and on. I Don’t understand your point though, of course some class a, b and c drugs have clinical uses, so what? That doesn’t automatically mean is okay for every to dick and Harry can self administer the street grade junk as they feel appropriate.

but i thought they made people suicidal after one dose! i thought they were so bad for you that people should be threatened with death for trying them!

why would doctors prescribe such dangerous chemicals? or maybe its that they're not as dangerous as you claim they are with your wide ranging experience of them

DarkJager · 27-06-2007 8:09am

No I'm afraid I'm correct.Ipomea viloacea seeds contain a lysergic acid derivative in the seeds (ergine),when the seeds are ground up and eaten they have LSD like effects. In one documented case after one dose the user experienced persistent psychosis which lead to his suicide

Great example there, because Ipomea Vilocea seeds are so common in Ireland you ****wit. Read the below as well for a bit more information on them

The seeds of many species of morning glory contain d-lysergic acid amide, ergoline alkaloids better known as LSA. Seeds of I. tricolor and I. corymbosa (syn. R. corymbosa) are used as hallucinogens. They are about 5% to 10% as potent as LSD, and produce a similar effect when taken in the hundreds

Now if these seeds are 5 to 10 percent as potent as LSD, then you'd have to be mentally deranged in the first place to kill yourself after taking them. LSD is highly potent and you would not experience anywhere near the effects of it with these, unless you took about 300/400 of them.

of course some class a, b and c drugs have clinical uses, so what?

So what? You've just contradicted your own stance here kid. You'd send people to jail for 20 years for a drug which has clinical uses?? You sir, to put it bluntly, are a ****ing hypocrite.

I'm not going to argue any further with you, because you obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about. You can google all you want and post it here to make it seem like you have some idea about drugs, but the fact is you know **** all. When you get out of college, I suggest you lock yourself away in your nice mansion and never come back out. That way you won't have to deal with reality and can forever remain in your dream land of non immigration, narcotic free society and a utopia where everybody gets along.

Your policies and your whole demeanour are that of a rich kid college student who has probably had everything handed to him on a plate, and who now decided he can see how the country should be run for all us "common" folk. No matter where you go in life, you're going to see all the problems you want to stamp out. So do yourself a favor. I want you to raise your hand, clench it into a fist, and then hit yourself repeatedly until you start to see some sense.

dermo88 · 27-06-2007 9:20am

oneeyedsnake

It appears that DarkJager and I are coming to similar conclusions. You are doing your research from google and wikipedia, but you clearly have no interaction with the people who have actually participated in taking those substances.

Drugs are good, drugs are bad, but they are in inescapable reality of life. They have been since a stone age man discovered the mixture of fruit, sugar, water and yeast, some 10,000 years ago or more. Since then, humanity has sought to control this by tolerance at one end of the spectrum, all the way to intolerance, as in Saudi Arabia today.

Sometime in April 2004, a dangerous social experiment began in Ireland. Many describe it as a revolutionary move. In 30 years time, when the pubs and off licences are closed, will people look at my words and say cigarettes and alcohol were bad, but at least we knew their effects. This will be because of the prohibition of legal substances will lead to their substitution by more chemically advanced products, such as LSD, MDMA, Cocaine and more.

The illegal substances will end up cheaper, as a venal, greedy exchequer runs out of income streams, for the benefit of the 'common good'. This has already happened in Norway and Sweden. Its happened in Saudi Arabia. Its happening in Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. In Southern Europe, at least they have the rational approach of 'live and let live', and their way of life seems more relaxed. It does not justify smoking and drinking, but controls, besides pricing strategy are needed. How about having tobacco available in pharmacies during limited periods, by prescription at a lower price. The strategy needs to be Pan European, rather than national, to prevent excessive black marketeering. There are harm reduction strategies under implementation at the European level in relation to legal, soft and hard drugs.

Its happened in utopian societies such as Norway, where Norwegian alcoholics are paid 2,000 Euro per month to "dry out" in Thailand. Why....its cheaper for them to be in Thailand, and less of a burden on the Norwegian exchequer to have them in Thailand, drinking Thai whiskey for 2 Euro instead of Norwegian Akavit for 12 Euro.

No Government dares admit that an underground drug scene exists.

As for dealing with socio-economic policy, Ireland is now a wealthy country. First, the issue of Asylum seekers. Much of this is right wing scare mongering. But surely, as historical victims of oppression and hardship, the least we owed to fellow Europeans and the people of Bosnia-Herzogovina (for example) was to take our fair share of their people, and give them a chance to repair themselves, and contribute to our country, for themselves and for each other. It did not cost our exchequer a great deal of money compared to the costs of supporting many of our disabled and unemployable. In every society, there will always be those who struggle, and it is our collective responsibility to assist as best we can, however inadequate those supports are, or are perceived to be.

Immigration and Emigration has always been part and parcel of every nations history. A genetic analysis will show that. I only wish many in the BNP would look at that hard reality, or even trace their ancestry. It would reveal French, Spanish, Germanic, Semitic bloodlines. A trace going back 600 years would in fact show, that virtually everyone from Ireland, on this board is in some way related. A shocking truth, that many of us may not like to admit. Ireland is one of the very few countries in the world, where two groupings, with no external physical differences kicked the crap out of each other. That must never happen again, and tolerance of all is the way forward. That tolerance must be tempered with a sense of responsibility.

Tackling anti-social behaviour may, and I say this reluctantly through some form of National Military Service, or National Vocational Service. Its use would be to forge a sense of unity, and help youth at an uncertain stage, for not everyone has sense at 18. This is very important as we make the transition from being Paddys, Marys and Micks, to integrating the Paddys, Marys and Micks with the Wongs, the Abdullahs, the Abu Bakars, the Paddicescus, and the Mickoskis. When people are exposed to different people of different races, at an early age, bigotry and resentment are curtailed. Curtailed, but never eliminated, but the risks of that are significantly reduced.

oneeyedsnake. I commend you on an attempt to create a political policy in one paragraph. One man did not create a political policy. If you realised what created a political policy, you would be overwhelmed. Do not feel inadequate at that. We would ALL be overwhelmed. Its taken 90 years to get to this point in Ireland. Its taken hundreds of thousands of people at all levels of political, civil, legal, military and social administration to do that over the last 90 years.

A superiority complex and a perception of elitism was the mistake of Michael McDowell. While he is vilified as some right wing demagogue, he was one of those rarities in politicians who set out to do what was correct, as opposed to doing what was right. He will be remembered as the Kamikaze pilot who crashed and sank the pseudo fascist Sinn Fein Aircraft Carrier, and while I do not agree with him, he should be commended for that.

As we approach the centenary of the 1916 rising, may we look for reconciliation, tolerance, and respect. Its not quite what Connolly and Pearse had in mind, but I have a slight feeling, that if they came to Dublin, and saw the Ireland of today, they would not be disappointed compared to what they left behind.

In closing oneeyedsnake, please do put an effort into your grammar before posting. If you have the courtesy to make that effort in gaining a masters degree, then you owe it to yourself to do it on this board. If you don't, you leave yourself open to ridicule. If you don't, you will appear as an uneducated, uncouth thug. If you don't, you will not be taken seriously.

Take care, and good luck in your masters. I'll turn the heat down on you now, I've cooked you enough.

dermo88 · 03-07-2007 8:27pm

I have had a week to wait for a reply, but clearly oneeyedsnake you are too ignorant, or embarrassed to put your sad right wing skull in public again.

I quote

"I originally planned to write some pretty harsh comments about you dermo88 but have decided against as you are simply not worth the effort"

I am worth the effort, but you have'nt the brains, or the eloquence to do it, and you have been defeated. I have just flushed you away.

If you ever do, I will fry your right wing ass back to Nuremberg. You can go and meet Albert Pierrepoint, he is waiting for you with a rope.

TheVan · 03-07-2007 9:28pm

1.More prisons,no bail,longer sentences,and no shortening of sentences for good behaviour.The prisons would be finances by the money I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

Aside from the completely racist nature of that comment, it lacks any humanity. This country should welcome diversity. Anyone who arrives in a new country needs a leg-up, and afaik those who work can't work from day 1. They need support.

2.No more homless.No Irish man or woman would be homless,not one assylum seeker would be given a bed until every Irish man or woman was offered one.

I agree that no-one should be homeless, but this includes asylum seekers. Again your policy is blatantly racist.

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

Again, completely racist. And why no right to appeal? The right to appeal is a fundamental safeguard in any criminal justice system. A successful appeal means that something was wrong with the original conviction. An unsuccessful one means that the person is guilty as charged. Why remove this?

5.Minimum of 20 years in jail for possesion of class A drugs.10 years class B 10 and class C 5 years.Death sentence for those caught in possion of class a with intent to supply.

That is in no way proportional. Also, I believe the death penalty is wrong for any crime but that argument could fit an entire thread.

6.Mandatory death sentence for padophiles and those caught in the possession of child pornography.This would inculde all preists previously convicted.

See number 5

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

8.Cigs banned.

11.No abortion.

These are social policy questions that I won't argue with you on as you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree completely however.

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

Strangely, I agree with you.

10.Anti social behaviour:2 years in prison.

12.Vanalism of any type=2 years in prison.

Never misbehaved as a kid? Again completely unproportional. You obviously have no understanding of criminal justice. What you are creating is a police state based on fear and repression.

13.Murder=death sentence with no right to appeal.

Where to begin. As I said, I believe the death sentence is wrong. And no right to appeal on the taking of someone's life? You're insane.

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

Yeah its called a progressive taxation system. We have one.

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

Funding is not the be all and end all. Also there is no way a country of this size would have 3 universities in the top 20. Also what about UCD, currently number 2 in the country??

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

Afaik its 8.65 at the moment. So you're actually behind the times.

17.Racism=5 years in prison

Sorry, how do you legislate for and police, racism? Thought police?

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

We have that.

19.Rape=death sentence

See earlier comments on proportionality, criminal justice and the death sentence.

20.No registration fee for university.

Look, the registration fee is a pain in the ass, but to be honest, is nothing compared to university fees. Also, if you can't afford it, generally there's some sort of grant you can get. If you have a bee in your bonnet about this, why not free accomodation for those more than an hour away from a university. That would make a real difference.

21.Increase funding into sport,aim of 2 gold medals for london olympics.

The achievements of the few and "patriotism" over the needs of the many?

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

Odd, but I can see where you're coming from. Actually a pretty interesting idea!

23.No tax on forgein companies as long as they employ more than 1000 citizens.

Boy, I'd like to see your government revenues for year 1 of that!

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

Ah, that's a debate that could go on for hours. I agree with aspects of it, not with others.

25.More bank holidays,Ireland would have the highest number of bank holidays in the eu if I was to be elected.

Why? And would foreign multinationals want to work here? I doubt it.

26.The end of pointless figuer head positions.No morre presidents,as money is alocated to public transport and education the end of of these pointless positions would free up money.

The President isn't pointless. She is the head of state, the representative of Ireland on the global stage and performs many functions under the Constitution. Also, I don't know what other "figure head" positions you're talking about.
Incidentally, to remove the president you would have to pass a constitutional amendment. You couldn't do it unilaterally and so you can't guarantee it would happen if you're elected.

27.Gaurding of our heritage,I would stop shrinkage of galetacts by any means possible and stop highways desroying out beautiful country side.

Isn't it deliciously ironic that you can't spell "gaeltacht"?

In short, I can't tell if you're naive or a looney.

DarkJager · 03-07-2007 9:32pm

He's probably taken heed of what advice was offered to him, and has decided to keep his ill informed, playground policies to himself.

Tha Gopher · 03-07-2007 10:11pm

Commander Vimes wrote:

thats a load of arse, you ban something because its bad, not because it leads to something bad.

studies have shown that 95% of cocaine addicts have drank lucozade. lucozade is a gateway drug !!!!1111 i know loads of people who use cannabis but no one who uses cocaine

Eh....right

Of your lucozade study group how many of them drank it BEFORE they first toked a joint? Dunno about you but i seem to remember the orange stuff being poured down my neck during any flu i suffered from as far back as I remember.

I smoke, and the legalisation lobby is doing itself no favours by saying it isnt a stepping stone when anyone with half a brain knows it is.

And i really cant imagine none of your smoker friends have tried cocaine. Aint read his post even yet but from the quotes ive seen oneeyedsnake is partially right. Cannabis is addictive. Most people who buy hash are somewhat addicted. That includes myself. Ive seldom if ever got up on a Saturday morning and opened a beer for brekfeast but, like most smokers, id skin up after getting out of bed. Its bad for me. I admit it. Of course Im not agreeing with his sentencing plans, Im all for legalisin, if only so I can have a quality smoke in the park on a hot summers day, and so that the droughts of recent years will be consigned to history. But he is spot on with his gateway and health stuff, and if you dont believe it its you who hasnt enough experience of the real world, not oneeyedsnake.

And please, if i hear one stoner go on a ****ing anti alcohol rant again. Beer and smoke go like bread and butter

dermo88 · 04-07-2007 12:02am

I'll agree with you there Gopher. On top of that, I find the countries with the harshest penalties for possession of weed, coupled with a non drinking culture produce the best quality weed.

If you doubt that, go to Malaysia. The place is designed to grow it, and if you go to the more conservative parts, its easier for a Muslim to smoke weed than have a beer. Crazy....I know....but from observation, true.

I'll also agree that Beer and a smoke go hand in hand. Theres nothing quite like a Pint of Guinness and a John Player Blue. In the beer gaden on a summers day. As for it being a 'gateway drug', I have some resevations about that. Most weed smokers are fairly civilised people. I'd have the odd smoke.

When I was in the Caribbean for almost one year, it was practically compulsory after a business meeting with Government ministers, businessmen, or Telecom companies to skin up and smoke. They'd be anti smoking on TV and to the electorate, and shareholders, but behind closed doors, they'd have it in the tea/coffee caddy.

Reku · 04-07-2007 8:34am

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Okay this country needs sorting out.If I was to run in the next general election this is what I would offer.

1.More prisons,no bail,longer sentences,and no shortening of sentences for good behaviour.

Yay.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

The prisons would be finances by the money I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

Do we actually pay dole to foreign citizens? AFAIK their government pays our government the money to pay on to them, but our goverment doesn't actually pay anything out of it's own pocket. Assylum seekers I'd say should be funded until they can get themselves settled and find a job (the current thing of them not technically being allowed work is BS!).

oneeyedsnake wrote:

2.No more homless.No Irish man or woman would be homless,not one assylum seeker would be given a bed until every Irish man or woman was offered one.

Sadly I don't think finances and availability of housing is always the issue, while it is for most, some just prefer to live on the streets.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

If they have been convicted in trial by jury sounds fine to me.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

6.Mandatory death sentence for padophiles and those caught in the possession of child pornography.This would inculde all preists previously convicted.

Difficult topic in that they will always be paedophiles, there is no way of changing that, but don't think execution is the best way to deal with them... castration perhaps?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

I see absolutely no problem with homosexuals marrying, gives them equal rights as a couple as if they were a straight couple. Other than that and the tax break it's all just a load of pomp.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

8.Cigs banned.

Would this make them class C drugs? I think just banning it in public is sufficient, let people enjoy their cigs at home, at least then only they have to suffer. AFAIK in Britain they have brought in a rule whereby to get an operation on the NHS you have to quit smoking, not a bad idea IMO.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

Definitely, add tracking to the buses so the managers can spot when one guy is slacking off and make the staff easily sackable for such, the amount of times where buses won't show up or you'll see them pull in somewhere they're not supposed to so as to have an unofficial break is ridiculous.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

10.Anti social behaviour:2 years in prison.

Would need a better definition on Anti social behaviour, technically refusing to go to lunch with someone so you can get some more work done is anti social behaviour.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

11.No abortion.

What about the victims of rape??!

oneeyedsnake wrote:

12.Vanalism of any type=2 years in prison.

If the intent to vandalise was there then yes, if it was accidental then no (e.g. your brakes fail and you hit a bus stop).

oneeyedsnake wrote:

13.Murder=death sentence with no right to appeal.

Sadly not a deterent... a sentence of a few years enforced waking PVS (inability to do anything) perhaps might work as jeebus but that would be hell.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

the wealthy will always find ways around taxation

oneeyedsnake wrote:

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

What about UCD, UCG, DCU, DIT, etc...?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

It's already over €8.50 is it not?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

17.Racism=5 years in prison

Racism no, everyone has their oppinion, racist attacks yes.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

Yay, byebye crazy costs of health insurance.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

19.Rape=death sentence

Violent rape deserves stricter punishments yes, death sentence (as I've said above) doesn't really work though. Other forms of rape can be quite a grey area however in that if a woman wakes up after a night out and decides that now that beer goggles have worn off her adonis is actually a Rab C Nesbitt she can choose to claim rape when in reality she had the intent of getting laid, just not by someone quite so unattractive. Also according to the current wording of Irish law a woman cannot actually rape a man (due to lacking certain bits). Many problems WRT rape law in Ireland...

oneeyedsnake wrote:

20.No registration fee for university.

Technically true now, but they just pass it off under a different name instead, yes it's a much smaller amount than the full registration fee but it's still a registration fee.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

21.Increase funding into sport,aim of 2 gold medals for london olympics.

We certainly have many potential olympic atheletes.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

Is there a tax on these? How much?

oneeyedsnake wrote:

23.No tax on forgein companies as long as they employ more than 1000 citizens.

Not enough, the cost of employing the staff is too high (i.e. the minimum wage), this is what is driving away the multinationals.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

Yeah, sure you'll do that... But yup they are paid WAY too much and the pensions they get are crazy too! Also need to see to it that the public prosecutor absolutely crucifies any of them caught at dodgy dealings, strip them of all state given assets and their cushy pension, same goes for Gadaí and any other state job.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

25.More bank holidays,Ireland would have the highest number of bank holidays in the eu if I was to be elected.

Would be nice but would also deter the multinationals.

oneeyedsnake wrote:

26.The end of pointless figuer head positions.No morre presidents,as money is alocated to public transport and education the end of of these pointless positions would free up money.

Replace it with no more Bertie and you might have me.

Sam Vimes · 04-07-2007 9:34am

Tha Gopher wrote:

I smoke, and the legalisation lobby is doing itself no favours by saying it isnt a stepping stone when anyone with half a brain knows it is.

it is a stepping stone but that's missing the point entirely. people are saying it should be banned because it "leads to harder drugs". i'd feel safe saying that 100% of people who use cocaine started off on cigarettes and then alcohol.

that's not a reason to ban them. i reiterate, you ban something because it is a bad thing to do, not because a minority of people who do this thing then go on to do something bad months if not years down the line

that's the same logic that bans violent video games because one kid with mental issues shot up a school. what about the 10000000 people who played the game and didn't shoot up a school? if someone's going to take cocaine, they'll do it whether they take hash first or not

Tha Gopher wrote:

And i really cant imagine none of your smoker friends have tried cocaine.

i never said they didn't try it. a few of them did but didn't like it, basically showing that there are those that are prone to take cocaine and those that aren't and the fact that they do hash is irrelevant

Demonique · 08-07-2007 1:13pm

oneeyedsnake wrote:

Okay this country needs sorting out.If I was to run in the next general election this is what I would offer.

1.I would save by canceling all dole payments to forgein citizens/assylum seekers.They will be allowed to work and fenf=d for themselves from day one

WOULD YOU COUNT BEGGING ON THE STREETS AS FENDING FOR THEMSELVES OR WOULD YOU MAKE THAT ILLEGAL

4.Assylum seekers/forgeiners will be deported on their first criminal offence without the right to appeal.

IF YOU MADE BEGGING ILLEGAL AGAIN THIS WOULD MEAN ALL THOSE ROMA GYPSIES WOULD NO SOONER STEP INTO THE COUNTRY THAN THEY WOULD BE OUT ON THEIR ARSES AGAIN WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD THING IN MY MIND AS I'M SICK OF THEM SHOVING THEIR HANDS INTO MY FACE AT THE ATM MACHINE BEGGING FOR MONEY

7.No marraige rights for homosexuals.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS?

8.Cigs banned.

HERE HERE

9.More cycle lanes.More buses.Increase funding of public transport.

HERE HERE, MIGHT I SUGGEST THE ADDITION OF A CONGESTION CHARGE IN DUBLIN CITY CENTRE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS AT HOME AND TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORT INTO WORK

11.No abortion.

ABORTION IS ALREADY BANNED HERE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PREVENTING WOMEN FROM TRAVELLING TO THE UK FOR ABORTIONS? HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT THAT?

14.More taxation on 6 figuer salaries.lee taxation on salaries below 30,000.

HERE HERE

15.More funding for education.(Trinity,NUIG and UCC would all be top 20 in the wotl by 2015)

YES DEFINATELY NEEDED SEEING AS YOU FORGOT TO ADD A NUMBER THREE IN YOUR LIST

16.Increase minimum wage to 8 e/hr

IT'S ALREADY MORE THAN €8/HR, INCREASE IT TO €9 AND YOU HAVE ME

18.Free health care for ALL,similar to NHS

HERE HERE

20.No registration fee for university.

HERE HERE

22.No tax on fruit and veg.

I'D LIKE TO ADD INCENTIVES TO ORGANIC FARMERS TO KEEP THE PRICE OF ORGANIC PRODUCE DOWN

24.No longer will the average man turn on the 6 one after along days work and see pictures of polticians swanning around in mercedes,living the life of a playboy,mocking you with his grin at some swanky fund raiser.All politicans will be paided a respectible wage,but not extortionate.They will drive cars they have paided for themselves out of their own wage packets.The gravey train thats is Irish politics would run out of steam if I was to be elected.

YES, DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT JET

27.Gaurding of our heritage,I would stop shrinkage of galetacts by any means possible and stop highways desroying out beautiful country side.

PROTECT TARA AT ALL COSTS!

(all death sentence would be carried out with 1 hour of sentencing by public hanging out side the court house)

WHAT IF SOMEONE IS LATER FOUND TO BE INNOCENT? THAT'S WHY THE DEATH PENALTY WAS DROPPED IN THE UK TO BEGIN WITH

Here's some more suggestions:

28. No tax or VAT on female sanitary products, they're an essential in the lives of most (if not all woman)

29. Free contreception to prevent teen pregnancies or families having more children than they can afford for those that want to avail of the free contreception

Hudson4ever · 17-10-2007 10:31pm

You are such a legend aren't you, thinking you are the cheese because you think you are winning some stupid debate with a guy who is obviously taking the piss. Jesus Christ, I mean anyone with half a brain....

I also must mention that, although I am sure you will deny this, your anger is so obvious in your responses that I can almost hear the winder uppers cackling at their keyboards thinking, thank God I found a muppet who takes this stuff seriously

Please keep posting, the world needs people like you, albeit just for laughing at

Hudson4ever · 17-10-2007 10:32pm

And yer a wanker

dermo88 · 17-10-2007 11:36pm

Really

Oh yeah, even better, Hudson4Ever, I think you just got banned.

Anyway, why should I bother replying. Its only a bit of light entertainment. We suspected he was a troll, but he was'nt very clever. The fact that he claims to be studying for a masters degree is terrifying. Maybe it was part of his course in media studies, the political science module. In which case, I wished him luck at the time (read page 6 for my post on that).

"Responses to badly though out drivel in politics"