The Manhunt 2 Thread.

pspdude

http://www.nextgenireland.com/manhunt2.html

It looks as if the irish films certifications board dont like manhunt either. The called it disturbing, gross and and unacceptable.

is this going too far ? i can only imagine how bad this title is if its getting banned everywhere

Crucifix

I really wonder what it is specifically that makes it worse than other similar games. Hard to feel like IFCO aren't just following suit.

o1s1n

They are of course following suit. From what I've seen, they're nothing but an off shoot of the BBFC.

I've already emailed them. Everyone should. Whether or not they wanted to play Manhunt 2.

UPDATE*

It also looks as if France and Germany are about to follow suit, so basically an all out Pal ban on the the title. We have contacted Rockstar and the IFCO for further clarification on the matter. Its yet to be seen if Rockstar will appeal this decision or if they will submit a censored version of the title, but Next Gen Ireland will keep you posted.

Owen

PMSL. Online ordering boys, stick it to the man!

o1s1n

ned78 wrote:

PMSL. Online ordering boys, stick it to the man!

Won't work if the PAL version is completely banned. Unless you have a modded wii that is.

edit\ actually, I don't think modded Wiis can play imports at the moment.

Ciaran500

Except the Wii and PS2 aren't region free for the majoirty of people.

o1s1n

I'm still holding out for a Dutch PAL release. Holland doesn't ban anything

WetDaddy

o1s1n wrote:

Won't work if the PAL version is completely banned. Unless you have a modded wii that is.

edit\ actually, I don't think modded Wiis can play imports at the moment.

Boy, am I glad I have a Wiikey... At least that chip definitely allows you to play imports!

o1s1n

Does it? I heard the Wii key was the best on the market at the moment, but it still doesn't do imports?

To google!

pspdude

ive the wiininja and its perfect , does everything perfectly

WetDaddy

o1s1n wrote:

Does it? I heard the Wii key was the best on the market at the moment, but it still doesn't do imports?

To google!

Yep! My imported copy of Super Paper Mario certainly appears to be working... Unless I'm seeing tiny colourful plumbers again

Wiikey has a bootloader which enables you to remove the region-locking on the drive.

o1s1n

..glad to hear. So we will be able to import this then. *phew*.

Unless of course customs takes to screening all Wii games coming into Ireland! :eek:

WetDaddy

o1s1n wrote:

Unless of course customs takes to screening all Wii games coming into Ireland! :eek:

Curse those greasy buffoons! If they do that, I'll take to them with my homemade Wii/Nunchuk garrott and squeeze the life out of their throats!

That'll teach them to think they can tell *ME* what's too violent for my own good...

Ciaran500

o1s1n wrote:

Unless of course customs takes to screening all Wii games coming into Ireland! :eek:

Its illegal to sell, not to own so you will be fine.

tman

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

projectmayhem

tman wrote:

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

crap or not, it sold loads, and it's purpose was to be violent and gory without any real reason. the story, concept and ideology behind it is linked directly in violent behaviour that isn't set outside of our realm... it's being banned because of that

rizzla

I hate censorship, why can't we be allowed to make our own decisions on wheter we want to play it. It's going to be clearly marked 18's anyway.

MooseJam

tman wrote:

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

well i guess you are happy having other people decide what is or isn't acceptable for you to watch

Call Me Jimmy

tman wrote:

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

It's not the game, I won't even buy the game coz it'd probably be muck. It's the fact that it is being banned for bullsh!t reasons.

Br4tPr1nc3

will it be comin out on PC?
if it will then order it from abroad.

o1s1n

Nope, just ps2, Wii and PSP.

The PSP version hasn't actually been mentioned in any website covering the banning issue.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Sent this to the IFCO to add my 2 cents:

To whom it may concern,

I read this morning that the game Manhunt 2 has effectively been banned by the IFCO.

I truly hope that this banning does not create a dangerous precedence where censors unfavourably view all violent video games. Like films, video games can have different target audiences, a child should be allowed watch Shrek and not Saw for example.

With a wider age group now enjoying video games than say 10 years ago, a wider range of games are available. There is a market for games more targeted towards a younger audience such as the Shrek and Cars video game spin-offs, and a market for adult themed games such as Gears of War for the Xbox 360. Some people mistakenly think that games are only bought by children and are outraged to see violent games on the market. For the record, I'm a 24 year old male gamer.

Censors should realise that violent video games can be enjoyed by adults, and as long as they are given the appropriate age rating (e.g. 18+) and the law is enforced prohibiting the sales of these games to underage players, I see no reason why most games targeted to an adult audience should not be given a rating and their release allowed.

I respect the decision of the IFCO and hope a sensible, balanced view will be given to video games in the future.

Thanks,

**** ****.

koneko

tman wrote:

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

Manhunt 2 is not the issue, censorship is. Would you react this way if a game you're interested in was banned? Imagine for argument sake that IFCO decided it's in poor taste to have children (Little Sisters) in Bioshock, and ban the game. Would you object to that? Insert whatever game you want, it's just an example.

I'm not particularly interested in Manhunt 2, but as an adult I'm capable of deciding what films and games I want to enjoy. I agree that children should not be playing games like this, at all, and the ratings should be enforced to prevent children from buying them, but should adults be prevented from buying the game aswell? If censorship moves like this are to protect children, then you might aswell not release anything that's intended for adults (no horror, no porn, no films that involve drug use, no violence, etc). Children can not and should not be able to buy these games/films, but adults should be able to decide this for themselves. I think this sets a precedent, and that's worrying. Now it's Manhunt 2, but how will people react when something gets banned that they are interested in? Will you be happy that someone decided on your behalf that you shouldn't play it?

Manhunt 2 has been rated Adults Only in the US, which means you won't be able to buy it in certain stores that do not carry AO (Walmart, Target). It has not been banned, adults can buy the game.

[CrimsonGhost]

"We believe that adults (i.e. persons over 18) should be free, within the law, to choose what they wish to view" - Taken directly from the IFCO website.
I quoted it in the mail I sent them saying I disagreed with their blanket censoring of the game on the grounds that it created a dangerous precedent, and would seem to go against their own stated agenda. Along with infringing on the civil liberties of myself and many other gamers.

I would re-iterate calls from others on this forum for people to contact them if they disagree with the decision, just be sure to state clearly and politely why you feel this is a bad thing(tm).

revileandy

Yes, definitely e-mail them.

I quoted this 2005 study on Video games

http://www.theesa.com/files/2005EssentialFacts.pdf

The age of the average gamer is 30!
62% of gamers are over 18!

Game's like GTA, Manhunt etc are tailor made for this specific market. Surely we can decide for ourselves?

I think they are definitely associating Video Games with children, or with children somehow getting there hands on a copy of Manhunt 2. If that's their main concern they should probably take everything of the shelves thats over 18's.

christophicus

tman wrote:

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

supposedly manhunt 2 got over 90% in Ngamer.

FranchisePlayer

There is some good points here lads I agree with everyone saying that they should be able to buy what they want it is their decision but I personally think those manhunt games just have violence in them for violences sake and if someone mentally unhinged played it it would hev a negative effect>
But I would be royally pissed if bioshock got banned that is a game worth playing:D

crybaby

Why is everybody getting so worked up about a sequel to a stupendously crap game... I'm actually almost glad that this has happened, it'll be one less turkey that tops the charts thanks to the clueless games buying public.

except its a sequel to a really good game backed up by the good reviews it got upon its release, will be emailing IFCO on their decision later on but I have a feeling that maybe its something to do with the level of interaction involved when using the Wii remote ? I mean really how violent could it be otherwise in comparison to the first game or even stuff like GTA or Bully

SNL

http://wii.ign.com/articles/792/792012p1.html

Consider for one moment that in Manhunt 2 you can, Wii remote and nunchuk in hands, use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood. Or, if you'd prefer, you can use a saw blade and cut upward into a foe's groin and buttocks, motioning forward and backward with the Wii remote as you go.

The inmates spot us and one of them leans forward and urinates through the bars. Another inmate throws his feces at us. As Danny walks farther on, a chair skids out of an open cell and when we get to it and look in, we notice that an inmate has just hung himself. We sight a guard with his back to us. "Go ahead. Try it," Leo says. "See how it feels to own a life."

On Wii, you act out the execution with a series of gestures timed to on-screen cues. If you're cutting into a man's skull with a saw, which you sometimes do, you might have to make a forward/backward motion with the Wii remote,

tbh after reading that i can see why they are worried about this increased level of interactivity,

use a pair of pliers to clamp onto an enemy's testicles and literally tear them from his body in a bloody display; and if that weren't enough, you'll take one of the poor victim's vertebrae along with his manhood

this although i know people should be allowed decide if they want to see it is not neccesery for a game which builds on the senseless violence its being banned for

johnny_ultimate

The funny thing about banning is that it is usually done to keep games / films out of youngsters hands. A quote from an anonymous Florida lawyer (let's call him JT) on the game in question sums up this mindset:

to Prevent the sale of two hyperviolent video games set to be released this year and sold to anyone under 17 years of age.

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Please bear in mind that the same anonymous lawyer attempted to ban Wendy's from running a Wii promotion because Manhunt was set to be released on the console.

The solution is not an outright ban. It is an adult rating, and a legal obligation on retailers not to let this game fall into the wrong hands. Adults can choose what they want to play, and Im sure any intelligent adult would agree that children should not be allowed to play this game. In America they have the AO rating, which means Adults Only. Unfortunately, this being right wing America, some retailers will refuse to sell said games. IMO, however, this rating sets a good example, as does the 18s - strictly 18s - rating over here. Proper use of said ratings is a vastly improved solution to dealing with controversial content.

That said, the Wii description from IGN does sound unnecessarily excessive, but I still stand by my opinion that anyone over 18 should be allowed to choose whatever the hell they want to play.

SNL

Like most i agree anybody over 18 should be entitled to the choice, but in fairness to the IFCO they know this is the only way they will actually keep from children playing the game, parents will not take responsibility and if there child who is of coursed not influenced by games at all, does accidentely rip someones balls off with a pliers it will then obviously be rockstars fault not theres from keeping the game from there kid.

Nintendo but a parentel lock on the wii for a reason will parents be arsed to use it.