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Help ! Quackwatch Skeptics Bankrupt ?
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24-06-2007 11:51pmCOURT ORDERS QUACKBUSTERS BARRET AND POLEVOY TO POST $433,715.93 BOND
( Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen, May 2nd, 2007 )
The "quackbuster" organization is learning a very HARD lesson about the reality of the US legal system. And, I'm very pleased. They're learning, in the most humiliating, and financially devastating way, that US Courts don't want the system abused to harass those that the "quackbusters" don't like... http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article060.htm
SEE ALSO:
# 2006: Quackbusters Crushed by Supreme Court
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article038.htm
# 2005: The Quackbusters Breaking Point (California Sinaiko Case)
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/breaking%20point.htm or
http://www.taxtyranny.ca/images/HTML/Quackbusters/Quackbuster5.html
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB10&Number=1289&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=6&o=&fpart=1
Dutch quackbuster association bankrupt ?
COURT OF JUSTICE CORRECTS DUTCH ASSOCIATION AGAINST QUACKERY
( 5 june 2007, Dutch newspaper 'Volkskrant', Sophie Broersen, Ben van Raaij )
The Dutch association against Quackery ('Verenging tegen de kwakzalverij' , VTDK) can not call ortho manual doctor Maria Sickesz a quack anymore. That has been ruled by the Dutch court of Justice in Amsterdam in higher appeal. In 2005 the court of justice had yet allowed the term...(...)... VTDK-chairman Cees Renckens calls the decision incomprehensible and disconcerted. 'Who claims nonsense, goes scott-free. Who objects, is being handled' According to Renckens the decision will financial bankrupt VTDK. 'That rectification will cost 30.000 euro. That kind of money our association does not have'.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/article432501.ece/Hof_tikt_Vereniging_tegen_Kwakzalverij_op_de_vingers
RESTRICTIONS WORD 'QUACK' NECKSHOT FOR DUTCH QUACKBUSTER ASSOCIATION
http://www.kwakzalverij.nl/php/display/ap/630/1
"......Nobody, and certainly not a doctor, can be accused of quackery, as long as there is but one publication, how poor it may be, in which the 'benefit' of the treatment is described. Propaganda for aspirine against depression is allowed, because aspirine helps against a headache. Propaganda for treatments against cancer may, because people say to get better from treatments against rheumatism. Everything is allowed, everything but calling quacks quacks."
"....The Court also claims that the effectiveness of Sickesz' treatments is established because insurances cover the expenses and that she had never been convicted by a health-board..." http://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/article433699.ece/Wie_zalft_er_dan_wel_kwak
# Verdict In Dutch: http://www.kwakzalverij.nl/pdf/arrestvtdksickesz0607.pdf
PRESS RELEASE:
ANTI-ALTERNATIVE "QUACKBUSTERS" HAVE GIANT COURT LOSSES ON 2 CONTINENTS: HOLLAND, PENNSYLVANIA & CALIFORNIA COURTS RULE AGAINST THEN
Recent rulings in Amsterdam, Pennsylvania and the Supreme Court of California are heavy blows to the Quackwatch anti-chiropractic and anti-alternative medicine organizations. After years of being labeled a"quack," defamed and ridiculed professionally, " Dr. Maria Sickesz won a great victory in Amsterdam, Holland early June 2007. The Netherlands Appeals Court ordered the "Vereniging tegen de Kwalzalverij" (Association Against Quackery, which is the Dutch version of the so-called "Quackbusters" ) to cease and desist from using the demeaning, subjective and pejorative term "quack." This group is linked extensively on their website with the American "quackwatch" headed by Stephen Barrett, who also has suffered several legal defeats recently.
The Justices recognized that this group's affinity for giving demeaning labels to doctors with whose practices they disagreed was a way of shutting down emerging science. They were also ordered to publish a public retraction in two widely circulated newspapers, which is estimated to cost around thirty thousand euro dollars and has been said will bankrupt this highly controversial association. Dr. Sickesz developed a kind of healing called orthomanual therapy which integrates chiropractic practices. For several decades the "quackbuster" organizations around the world have waged legal and public relations wars against chiropractors and other non traditional practitioners, demonizing them with their biased campaigns. In June, for the second time, Barrett lost a case in a Pennsylvania Appeals Court against a local and respected chiropractor. Suing Dr. Tedd Koren has definitely backfired on the longtime head of the quackwatch empire. During this case, Barrett had to reveal that he had failed his psychiatric medical board tests and was never board certified for the decades he practiced. Board certification protects patients.
Barrett Vs Rosenthal
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/barrettvsrosenthal.htm
was decided in November, 2006 against Barrett and his co-plaintiffs, Terry Polevoy and Christopher Grell. Though Barrett had claimed he was "defamed" and "libeled," the Supreme Court Justice's final words in the decision were, "As the lower courts correctly concluded, however, none of the hostile comments against Dr. Barrett alleged in the complaint are defamatory." In May, 2007, Barrett and Polevoy were ordered to post bonds of over $433,000 in this case. In an earlier court loss, Barrett and fellow "National Council Against Health Fraud" member, Wallace Sampson, were ruled to be "biased and unworthy of credibility" in a case they lost against King Bio, a homeopathtic remedy company
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/KingBio
http://www.HealthFreedomLaw.com
http://digital50.com/news/items/PR/2007/06/14/DCTH129/chiropractors-claim-court-victory-against-infamous-quackbuster.htmlFor anyone who feels attached to our purpose and feels drawn to the fate of the survival of our Association can make a donation in these difficult times: Our bankaccount: 32237, a.t.a.o. 'Vereniging tegen de Kwakzalverij' at Sleeuwijk, Netherlands
JAMES RANDI: DISTURBING NEWS FROM THE NETHERLANDS
And, on another similar matter of equal importance, go back to last week, at randi.org/jr/2007-06/060807.html#i8, concerning the Dutch lawsuit problem. JREF has offered to similarly assist this cause financially, and we are awaiting a response from the Dutch Association Against Quackery. To stay in existence, they will need a large sum indeed. We'll donate, and we'd like to hear from persons, anywhere, who are willing to help as well http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-06/061507.html , http://www.randi.org/jr/2007-06/060807.html#i8
QUACKBUSTER SKEPP.BELGIUM ALSO BANKRUPT ?
Prof. Wim Betz, considered to be an international authority concerning the critical approach of alternative medicine, is Head of Education for general practitioner to the Free University Brussels (VUB) http://huis.vub.ac.be/staflees.php?ID=2 and he is the current President and general secretary of Quackbuster organisation SKEPP in Belgium http://www.skepp.be/ , http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKEPP , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etienne_Vermeersch SKEPP.be has already had 2 negative verdicts against them in the legal proceedings doctor Robert Gorter * has instituted against SKEPP. Verdicts about which 'suprisingly' there is about nothing to be found on the internet. Now there lays a huge damageclaim of more than 100.000,- euro which will yet probably be appointed summer 2007[/i]
( see also SKEPP.Be: (Jun 14, 2007, Sisyphus, Moderator, for the board of SKEPP, Prof Dr Willem Betz, chairman) "Support Dutch association against quackery...(...)....Also SKEPP is now be sued by a guru-doctor who tearly sells wothless treatments to 1500 cancerpatients for 30.000,- euro each. With that you can thus afford a few expensive lawyers..." http://forum.skepp.be/viewtopic.php?t=728 , http://forum.skepp.be/viewtopic.php?p=6544&highlight=#6544 , http://forum.skepp.be/viewtopic.php?p=7202&highlight=#7202 )
* ABOUT Dr. ROBERT GORTER:
http://www.kanker-actueel.nl/index.php?blz=an_al.dendritische-celtherapie&nieuws=59
http://www.kwfkankerbestrijding.nl/content/pages/Veel_vragen_over_dendritische_celtherapie_van_Robert_GorterY.html
http://www.kwakzalverij.nl/php/display/ap/435/85
http://www.kwakzalverij.nl/php/display/ap/628/1
http://www.msvn-gelderlandnoord.nl/nieuws2006/cannabis.html
http://www.kanker-actueel.nl/index.asp?blz=ka_so.darmkankers.LITT&nieuws=10589
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article681790.ece
http://www.skepp.be/artikels/alternatieve-behandelingen/dr-robert-gorter-en-zijn-alternatief-centrum-voor-kankerbehandeling
http://www.koelner-modell.de/iozWeb/app/website/content/content_home.jsf
CAMPAIGN: WILLEM BETZ DESTROYS EDUCATION GENERAL PRACTITIONER
Away with the education for general practitioner at VUB:
( subject: Wanted Willem becomes Wiser..., 30 Nov 2005)
There will come a campaign which says "Dr Betz destroys the training general practitioner at the Free University Brussels (VUB)". To this end soon a page of Free University Brussels will be hijacked ! (joke, there will become a website "Wanted Willem become Wiser..") (and only by ex students of the VUB.ac.be whom claim to be concerned and soon no longer want to discuss with a general practitioner of their selfsame unif.... William Betz would better go make mayonaise... http://www.archivum.info/be.science/2005-11/msg00029.html
55.000 EU-DOCTORS SAY NO AGAINST BELGIUM QUACKBUSTER WILLEM BETZ & SKEPP.BE !!!
(dr. Mark Bottu, president 'European Council of Doctors for Plurality in Medicine', ECPM http://www.a-i-g.be/content/over_aig/peiler_ecpm.htm , http://www.ecpm.org/ )
The aperitif concert on the stairs of our blandijn auditorium in Ghent, where a number of Skepp-members preferred a flask homoeopathic dilution above a fresh pinot-charente or a glass sekt was entertained by right-minded Flanders rather skepp-tiical: what had this still to do with science! After his VTM-debate with President homeopatica-league Dr. Michel Van Wassenhoven (in whose mediations moreover thoroughly was crossed out) it became quiet for a while around Skepp-guru prof. Dr. Wim Betz. Today he is back. We almost daily see his interventions against: not only in the medical press, also in divergent newspapers and week-magazines. The contents of his message is always the same: alternative doctors are unscientific, liars, impostors, in short criminals.
...(...)...That Prof. Betz and the core of SKEPP would take this offer till dialogue, would be called a miracle. Happily there are numerous other professors – also in the general practitioning medicine – in our country, who do not want to manifest themselves as promin members of SKEPP. The might be willing for dialogue. They – and all other Belgian doctors - I, out of name of 55.000 EU-doctors who stand behind the European Council of Doctors for Plurality in Medicine, invite for a constructive dialogue http://www.a-i-g.be/content/over_aig/vandaag.htm0
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Is there some reason you copy-paste the same content into multiple websites all round the world0
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bonkey wrote:Is there some reason you copy-paste the same content into multiple websites all round the world
Good 'skeptical' thinking: getting straight to the main point of the whole story. What do you mean exactly ?
"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people"
< John F. Kennedy >0 -
I exactly mean that you have copied and pasted this article to multiple sites, and I asked why.0
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WRT the first one, Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch has been having legal trouble for many years with Tim Bolen, a man who claims to be a "Consumer Advocate" and who runs a luridly-colored website. Barrett has posted a response to Bolen's past allegations here:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/bolen.html
From his website, it seems that Bolen does hold not any medical or scientific qualifications, but he nonetheless claims to be a "Health Freedom Fighter" who exposes medical and scientific corruption within 'Big Pharma' and the medical profession. Amongst much else, he claims that Quackwatch was set up by the "pharmaceutical industry". Curiously, on his about page, he lists ""war" and the tools and history of war" as two of his four hobbies.0 -
Am I the only one who finds the OP's posts in general to be incoherent, bordering on the incomprehensible? I think he amounts to a spamming troll.0
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bonkey wrote:I exactly mean that you have copied and pasted this article to multiple sites, and I asked why.
Does the article only exist out of copy and paste ? Which multiple sites ? And if that pink elephant does exist, do you have a problem with that ? Why ?0 -
robindch wrote:WRT the first one, Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch has been having legal trouble for many years with Tim Bolen, a man who claims to be a "Consumer Advocate" and who runs a luridly-colored website. Barrett has posted a response to Bolen's past allegations here:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/bolen.html
From his website, it seems that Bolen does hold not any medical or scientific qualifications, but he nonetheless claims to be a "Health Freedom Fighter" who exposes medical and scientific corruption within 'Big Pharma' and the medical profession. Amongst much else, he claims that Quackwatch was set up by the "pharmaceutical industry". Curiously, on his about page, he lists ""war" and the tools and history of war" as two of his four hobbies.
See pressrelease:During this case, Barrett had to reveal that he had failed his psychiatric medical board tests and was never board certified for the decades he practiced.0 -
FE30033 wrote:Does the article only exist out of copy and paste ? Which multiple sites?
Welcome back FE, how is Jomanda?
Bonkey is wondering why exactly you are posting an article onto a discussion board with no comments of your own or suggesting on what you would like to discuss.
What exactly are we supposed to be discussing? This is after all a discussion forum.
Do you have a question?0 -
Myksyk wrote:Am I the only one who finds the OP's posts in general to be incoherent, bordering on the incomprehensible? I think he amounts to a spamming troll.
What is spam ?
"Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services"
I did think that this was a discussion-forum, that skeptics had open minds to anything skeptical-related. But maybe the skeptics make some distinqtion between what they want to hear and not ? Censorship means blocking away reality, and trying to live in a pink elephant world, and maybe trying to force that world upon others so that when more people join that world it seems okay ?0 -
FE30033 wrote:What is spam ?
"Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services"
I did think that this was a discussion-forum, that skeptics had open minds to anything skeptical-related. But maybe the skeptics make some distinqtion between what they want to hear and not ? Censorship means blocking away reality, and trying to live in a pink elephant world, and maybe trying to force that world upon others so that when more people join that world it seems okay ?
QUACKWATCH FOUNDER BARRET -Vs- ILENA ROSENTHAL
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/quackwatchwatch.htm
20 Nov. 2006 - Quackwatch / Stephen Barrett (who works closely with Junk Science.com whose first funding came from the Tobacco-, and now from the Pharma-, Med Device-, Cell Phone-, Oil -, Chemical Industries) and his many interwoven front groups attempt to infiltrate any health related group to force their propaganda. For years, they have waged vicious campaigns against thousands who have different beliefs than they for merely posting the words of another. To silence critics by intimidating them with expensive, energy consuming litigation. When these so-called 'quackbusters' lose in court, they up their attacks and attempt to fill the world wide web, blogs with more attacks, their viewpoint, frequently by anonymous posters, hiding behind fake names and multiple aliases, claiming expertise of hundreds of different ongoing medical controversies. Goal ? To control information, messages with which they disagree, on all media, television, radio, internet, newspapers
# QUACKWATCH ATTEMPTS TO USE WIKIPEDIA AS ANOTHER FRONT GROUP FOR THE BREASTIMPLANT-INDUSTRY
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/wikipedia.htm
But at the California Supreme Court all 3 plaintiffs (having a history of intimidate talk show hosts, blog owners and of suing, of threatening critics with long, expensive litigation, lawsuits) lost, all 7 justices voted unanimous in favour of Ilena Rosenthal.
# QUACKBUSTERS CRUSHED BY SUPREME COURT
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/blog.htm0 -
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Wicknight wrote:Welcome back FE, how is Jomanda?
Bonkey is wondering why exactly you are posting an article onto a discussion board with no comments of your own or suggesting on what you would like to discuss.
What exactly are we supposed to be discussing? This is after all a discussion forum.
Do you have a question?
Off-topic. But anyhow, can't Bonkey speak for him/herself ? Where do you see no comment ? What kind of comment did you have in mind ? Up to your standards ? Are you saying that you are not able to determine a point of view, a discussion point, an opinion yourself out of the whole article ? I think the article has many discussionpoints, you saying 'it is not so' does not mean discussionpoint are mentioned. It just says something about you, and your focus-point: the pink-elephant. Be my quest to make any discussion-point you like out of the whole article, and if you can't handle that, maybe you have a question ?0 -
robindch wrote:Yes, you're correct. So, please feel free to discuss something and not serial block-quote.
thanks,
- robin (moderator)
Doesn't the article mention a whole lot of discussionpoints ? Are serial block-quotes a problem ? Why ? Will they be deleted ? As I do remember another subject with exact the same way of posting, which you refuse to delete on request ?0 -
FE3003 wrote:Doesn't the article mention a whole lot of discussionpoints?0
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robindch wrote:Why don't you try discussing them one by one instead of all at once? 1,400 words and 37 links is a lot to get through, especially when many of the links are either broken or in Dutch.
Broken linkS ? Pink Elephant ? I count one by which other links were posted 'or'. It's a good thing, webpage-translaters, don't you think ?0 -
I don't believe this discussion is going anywhere -- topic closed.0
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