Stream in Donaghmede

lostexpectation

Did they use to be a river/stream that mainly went along the line of the green area in donaghmede that starts from the howth junction station parrarllel to the kilbarrack road, past the donaghies and over the malahide road ?

if so where it gone?

Victor

Maybe they covered it to stop people / things ending up in it.

I think its the Santry River, BTW.

Collie D

Victor wrote:

Maybe they covered it to stop people / things ending up in it.

I think its the Santry River, BTW.

No, that's the one that goes down by Northside shopping centre, through Cadburys and UCI, think it empties into see after pasing through St Anne's. Not sure what river the OP is referring to although there is one that passes through Belcamp College, not sure where it goes from there, think it heads underground. This is the border between Dublin City and Fingal.

jos28

The stream was called the Danaugh Water and can be dated back to 1656. It was piped and the land filled in during the 1970s.I lived there at the time and remember it well. (1970 not 1656)! It originally flowed through part of the gardens of a house called 'The Beeches'. The house was owned by Hector Grey. AFAIK the stream is still there, running through pipes underground. It could have made part of a nice park if it had been properly developed.
But that is what our planners call progress !

Volvoboy

I lived in the beeches and yes there used to be a stream there and is now coverd in, now has build over and is now a green area.



-VB-

lostexpectation

jos28 wrote:

The stream was called the Danaugh Water and can be dated back to 1656. It was piped and the land filled in during the 1970s.I lived there at the time and remember it well. (1970 not 1656)! It originally flowed through part of the gardens of a house called 'The Beeches'. The house was owned by Hector Grey. AFAIK the stream is still there, running through pipes underground. It could have made part of a nice park if it had been properly developed.
But that is what our planners call progress !

thanks for the info

its strange that they should cover up these things water is what defines a landscape... why destroy and hide it.... if you look at map it looks strange that there's no river in that area...

I saw a very old map of dublin that I think had a scirbble indicating a stream that went from around priorswood passed the beeches to kilbarrack and seems to follow the same line as the stream thats still there at seagrange park and onto the same outflow as the mayne.

I have street map from 2000 that shows it partly still.

hmm can find nothing on the google about it, I wonder what it would be called in council documents

jos28

I got my info from a brilliant book that belonged to my Dad. Its called 'Green fields gone forever' by Douglas S. Appleyard, ISBN 0 951077406.
It covers the area from Coolock, Kilmore, Tonlegee, Donaghmede, Edenmore, Raheny etc. It is filled with the history and pictures of the beautiful big houses in the area and packed with interesting stuff.
The map that they reference is Ordance Survey Map, sheet 14/15, 1937 edition. Permit no 4492. Hope this helps. Feel free to post or pm me and I can look things up in the book for you or scan pages to you. Well worth trying to source a copy of it.

admiralofthefleet

there is another river the 'mayne' that was put through a tunnel and filled in in the 80's

Degsy

Yeah,the stream was called The Donough water.When donaghemede was built first it was visible from streamville to st donagh's estate.The last section at the Beeches was culverted in in the 1980's because local residents were "concerned" that one of their kids would fall in and drown,not that it was deep enough to drown anybody.I was really annoyed when that happend,it was a picturesque stream and it added a bit of character to the area.Likewise St Donagh's well whichw as located near howth junction train station was covered over in the late 60's because it was judged to be a drowning hazard.There was a large pond in the grounds of Newgrove house (we just called it "The Mansion") and nobody ever drowned in that.It too was destroyed to make way for the Clare Hall development and its worth noting that an attractive walled orchard was also razed along with every tree in the entire area.Progress.:(

Degsy

Collie D wrote:

No, that's the one that goes down by Northside shopping centre, through Cadburys and UCI, think it empties into see after pasing through St Anne's. Not sure what river the OP is referring to although there is one that passes through Belcamp College, not sure where it goes from there, think it heads underground. This is the border between Dublin City and Fingal.

The santry river actually doesnt pass through St Annes,it runs through Santry,Edenmore,Coolock,Raheny village and on through Watermill estate and Bettyglen.It enters the sea just beside the causeway on the coast.

The stream running through St Annes is called the Nanniken River.

gracehopper

Degsy wrote:

The santry river actually doesnt pass through St Annes,it runs through Santry,Edenmore,Coolock,Raheny village and on through Watermill estate and Bettyglen.It enters the sea just beside the causeway on the coast.

The stream running through St Annes is called the Nanniken River.

I always thought they were the same river. no?

EDIT:
Fair play to you. You know you local history. I'd love a good book on the area. Cant seem to find the one mentioned on the thread. Done a project on the dublin 5 area in school when i was a kid. I love hearing about how the place used to be.

cheers

jos28

Try Raheny library. they have a lot of local history stuff.

Degsy

That book is long out of print and there's very few copies knocking around.Your best bet would be to put an ad in buy and sell to see if anybody has one.There's also a few other books of local interest which you may be able to get hold of..The Meadow of the Bull by Dennis Mcintyre,The Barony Of Coolock by AS MagShamrain,Here Lyeth by the Grange abbey Restoration Commitee,Through Countless Ages(raheny) by Arthur Garret,Tales Of Old Baldoyle by Micheal Hurley.Obviously there are lots of local history books floating around but many had very short print runs and are hard to find..if anybody needs specialist help with matters of local history eg acess to maps etc PM me.

Collie D

Degsy wrote:

It enters the sea just beside the causeway on the coast.

The stream running through St Annes is called the Nanniken River.

I know where you're talking about it emptying out but is that not St Anne's on opposite side of road?

Degsy

Collie D wrote:

I know where you're talking about it emptying out but is that not St Anne's on opposite side of road?

No,thats actually Bettyglen,named after the big house thats still in there.St Anne's was huge estate owned by the Guiness family.

lostexpectation

admiralofthefleet wrote:

there is another river the 'mayne' that was put through a tunnel and filled in in the 80's

isn't most of that still there, I actually found a copy of the book for sale on line

another map showed the naniken going all the way to finglas, I know the used to be finglas river that someone here mentioned before, Im not sure if thats the same one

[/QUOTE]The last section at the Beeches was culverted in in the 1980's because local residents were "concerned" that one of their kids would fall in and drown,not that it was deep enough to drown anybody.

if that wer true they'd get rid of the liffey it has got to be more then the whim of parents

Ordance Survey Map, sheet 14/15, 1937 edition.
where do you get old OS maps phoenix park, but would you be alllowed to copy em for amateur use?

admiralofthefleet

all around the beeches and down towards howth junction were filled in afaik, im sure

tricky D

Anybody know what the stream between St Assam's Ave/Park and Foxfield Road is called and where it empties?

Lillyella

I recall the stream in Donaghmede, really only in the Beeches estate, it was known locally (Well in the last 15 years) as "The Rat Stream". Might have something to do with its downfall?

Really find the local history really interesting though, thanks for the above.

Degsy

lostexpectation wrote:

isn't most of that still there, I actually found a copy of the book for sale on line

another map showed the naniken going all the way to finglas, I know the used to be finglas river that someone here mentioned before, Im not sure if thats the same one



if that wer true they'd get rid of the liffey it has got to be more then the whim of parents

Ordance Survey Map, sheet 14/15, 1937 edition.
where do you get old OS maps phoenix park, but would you be alllowed to copy em for amateur use?

The Mayne is largely still there.It rises in co Meath and enters the sea near portmarnock,there's a pumphouse on the main road.The area they're calling Belmayne gets its name from the river.If you get the train from drogheda it passes over a very impressive red-brick bridge just before howth junction,the land was originally owned by the Morrow family and the people who owned Stapolin house.There's another river which enters teh sea at the bridge leading into portmarnock and if you look on the seward side y ou can clearly see the remains of stone built fish traps.

I dont think the naniken goes to finglas.The stream that gives finglas its name "Fionn-Glas" or Clear Stream enters the tolka just beyond the royal oak,its visble only for a short section beyond premier square.Chances are they'll culvert it too.

Beano

I used to play in that stream at the back of hector greys as a lad. dont remember it being dangerous at all. It was only ever a foot or two deep. I think Lillyella hit the nail on head though. People these days seem very skittish about stuff like Weils disease. Never did us any harm

Dord

Lillyella wrote:

I recall the stream in Donaghmede, really only in the Beeches estate, it was known locally (Well in the last 15 years) as "The Rat Stream". Might have something to do with its downfall?

Really find the local history really interesting though, thanks for the above.

It's nice to know the real name after all these years (someone mentioned it above). But locally it was known as "The Rat River" even though it was just a stream.

Degsy

I dont think we ever called it anything.Does anybody remember the fire at Hector's warehouse and there was a free for all of half-burned toys and playing cards that were stuck together?Useless scumbags from St Donagh's started the fire and a few years later tried to burn the man's house down.

trout

Degsy wrote:

I dont think we ever called it anything.Does anybody remember the fire at Hector's warehouse and there was a free for all of half-burned toys and playing cards that were stuck together?Useless scumbags from St Donagh's started the fire and a few years later tried to burn the man's house down.

I remember that ... I was too young to participate, but there was a procession of yobs from Kilbarrack and Donaghmede trooping out of the warehouse with their grubby paws full of looted knick-knacks. For weeks afterwards the same halfwits were trying to sell moody alarm clocks, tea towels, bin liners and clothes pegs door to door. That must be nearly 30 years ago ... man I'm getting old. :eek:

jos28

trout wrote:

That must be nearly 30 years ago ... man I'm getting old. :eek:

I am MUCH older and I can remember Kennedys house. It was a fabulous house and was owned by the people that owned Kennedy's Bakeries.
It was situated where The Donahies is now. I can remember the day the bulldozers moved in to knock it down. All of our neighbours (and my Dad) went up and 'rescued' some of the plants in the magnificent gardens. They were all re-planted in our gardens. And all of this was done with the tree- fellers and bulldozers hot on their heels. Could not be classified as theft, cos the stuff would have been flattened !I have a photo of the house somewhere. Will post it if I find it.

Degsy

jos28 wrote:

I am MUCH older and I can remember Kennedys house. It was a fabulous house and was owned by the people that owned Kennedy's Bakeries.
It was situated where The Donahies is now. I can remember the day the bulldozers moved in to knock it down. All of our neighbours (and my Dad) went up and 'rescued' some of the plants in the magnificent gardens. They were all re-planted in our gardens. And all of this was done with the tree- fellers and bulldozers hot on their heels. Could not be classified as theft, cos the stuff would have been flattened !I have a photo of the house somewhere. Will post it if I find it.

That house was actually called "The Donahies" wasnt it?If you have a pic i'd really love to see it.Do you remember St Donagh's holy well?

jos28

Can't remember the actual well at St Donaghs, only a fake one in someones garden. Found the photo,(not a great one).The house was built in 1745. It's original name was Newbrook House and was changed to The Donaghies about 100 years later.

Degsy

Thats a great pic.God knows how many people live in the area and never knew a house stood there..actually i rememebr reading something about it in one of the books in my work..i'll check it later.Do you remember Grangemore house which is where Haughy used to live before he bought Abbeyville?I just about remember them cutting down the last of the trees that formed the avenue sometime in the early 70's.

jos28

Was Haugheys house just up from Kennedys, near where the church is now?
I can remember a house with a thatched roof, don't know if that was it.

Degsy

jos28 wrote:

Was Haugheys house just up from Kennedys, near where the church is now?
I can remember a house with a thatched roof, don't know if that was it.

Yeah,in from the main road..dunno if it had a thatched roof though.Then there was Donaghmede house on the opposite side of the road,owned by the Morrow family,its still there as well.There was a holy well in the grounds of Donaghmede apparantly,you washed in St Donagh's well on st John's eve and then rinsed off in the well at Donaghmede House.Newbrook House was built on the site of an old abbey and there was some sort of castle at Sutton cross too.
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Wow, this is a fascinating thread guys. I'm from Coolock, just behind the Garda Station, and I now live in the Apartments next to the Hilton Hotel on the N32 (my apartment touches the hotel).

Of course I knew about the Santry River, but I never knew all of these other streams existed. Nice to know.

Does the Mayne actually flow through the Belmayne development? They have some nice plans for parkland in there, be nice if they uncovered a part of the stream for this.