Tooool!!!

Laserface

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sorry if there is another monstrous thread on Tool..i can't seem to find any if there is with the poxy search function.

Is there anyone else here that needs a 12 step program to stop listening to their latest album 10,000 Days???

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and it's getting much worse.
the more i listen to the tracks the more i hear they are very very simalar to irish trad riffs in ways..particularly the 2nd hald of the title track.

In my humble opinion they are the only band around these days that are doing anything exciting, anything worth talking about/starting a thread on.
A lot of people complained that the latest album does not stand up next to their 2001 album Lateralus.
I personally think the band are getting better and better and better.

"what are we gonna do when the rivers overrun...other than tremble incessantly?"

anyone else find their stuff mesmerising?

Zapp Brannigan

I'd guess they're more suited to the Rock & Metal forum rather than Alt/Indie. There's been a few threads there anyway.

Yeah tool rock but ya can't talk about the gig...

John

Please don't discuss MCD gigs on boards. Moved to Rock/Metal as I feel Tool are more at home there.

Karl Hungus

Laserface wrote:

In my humble opinion they are the only band around these days that are doing anything exciting, anything worth talking about/starting a thread on.

Oh, I think you're dead wrong there. There's a hell of a lot of bands out there doing interesting and original things, they're just more underground.

Zapp Brannigan

Karl Hungus wrote:

they're just more underground.

I believe the correct term is "undergrounder"

mp3guy

Tool aren't underground, they're a pretty popular metal band today, especially after 10,000 Days (Which I found to be a huge let down btw).

Karl Hungus

mp3guy wrote:

Tool aren't underground, they're a pretty popular metal band today, especially after 10,000 Days (Which I found to be a huge let down btw).

Nobody said Tool were underground. I said that there was plenty of interesting bands other than Tool, but that those bands are underground.

Ph3n0m

Guess I must be the minority - really don't like Tool at all

Zapp Brannigan

Ph3n0m wrote:

Guess I must be the minority - really don't like Tool at all

Nah I know loads of people who just don't dig tool. Nothing wrong with it, they're sort of a specialised taste.

mp3guy

Karl Hungus wrote:

Nobody said Tool were underground. I said that there was plenty of interesting bands other than Tool, but that those bands are underground.

I just took Zapp Brannigan's post "I believe the correct term is "undergrounder""

As meaning that the other bands are more underground than tool, which in turn would mean he's says that tool are underground, but the bands you're talking about are more underground than them, that's all, misunderstanding caused by limitations of text based communication.

Yeah, underground bands, like akercocke and meshuggah

lordgoat

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

I believe the correct term is "undergrounder"

I believe this is the correct term as well Captain Brannigan.

Lower, lower, lower, too low, lower...

Zapp Brannigan

lordgoat wrote:

I believe this is the correct term as well Captain Brannigan.

Lower, lower, lower, too low, lower...

You are now my Kiff.

S.M.B.

Laserface wrote:

A lot of people complained that the latest album does not stand up next to their 2001 album Lateralus.
I personally think the band are getting better and better and better.

I don't see the progression to be honest. Apart from Wings for Marie/10,000 days I found the album a bit of a let down.

Still better than 99% of what's out there at the moment though!

LightofDarkness

Meh. Tool are OK, nothing particularly amazing IMO. They're quite boring to me, especially if it's an extended listening period. And as far as them being the only band doing anything interesting now or being better than 99% of what's out there, I couldn't disagree more. Plenty of bands are doing amazing things these days, not to mention the plethora of outstanding acts that stand up as well today as they did when they were intitially debuted. Tool, as most of my friends know them, are more of a gateway act that introduced them to the idea of more intellectual and alternative approaches to music, and half of them can't listen to them anymore as they have found more acts/music suited to their taste that make Tool seem weak and watered down, although they still respect the band for having introduced them to the wild and wonderful world of music beyond the mainstream (despite Tool being quite mainstream as far as the alternative music scene goes).

Alucard II

mp3guy wrote:

Tool aren't underground, they're a pretty popular metal band today, especially after 10,000 Days (Which I found to be a huge let down btw).

Tool arent metal.

anywho, 10kD is good. its very good, Tool havent released anything i dont enjoy immensely, but nothing the band have or will do will ever touch Lateralus. IMO, thats the greatest piece of music that has been created, anywhere, ever. its a prog rock masterpiece.

mp3guy

Alucard II wrote:

Tool arent metal.

Double bass, down tuned distorted guitars, screaming, solos, sounds like metal to me :rolleyes:

thewing

LightofDarkness wrote:

Meh. Tool are OK, nothing particularly amazing IMO. They're quite boring to me, especially if it's an extended listening period. And as far as them being the only band doing anything interesting now or being better than 99% of what's out there, I couldn't disagree more. Plenty of bands are doing amazing things these days, not to mention the plethora of outstanding acts that stand up as well today as they did when they were intitially debuted. Tool, as most of my friends know them, are more of a gateway act that introduced them to the idea of more intellectual and alternative approaches to music, and half of them can't listen to them anymore as they have found more acts/music suited to their taste that make Tool seem weak and watered down, although they still respect the band for having introduced them to the wild and wonderful world of music beyond the mainstream (despite Tool being quite mainstream as far as the alternative music scene goes).

Name a few bands doing better stuff?

mp3guy

thewing wrote:

Name a few bands doing better stuff?

Whether or not a band is doing "better stuff" than tool is personal opinion, so asking that question is pointless

Zapp Brannigan

One thing I really like about tool is the complex elements to their songs. Weird time sigs, rhythm etc. That Danny Carey knows his stuff.

I also love the Virgini Tres, Wings for Marie & 10,000 days mega track.

Laserface

Jaysis...the only person in here making sense is thewing

thewing wrote:

Name a few bands doing better stuff?

Could you please name some of these better bands than Tool??
please??
would help me a lot more if i knew who you were talking about.
I'm not being smart either..i'm open to all music.
On my personal travels Tool seem to be the best I can scrape out of the vaseline covered metal barrel we call life.

Tool aren't rock&metal to me, but I don't have any mod privilages.

Karl Hungus

Laserface wrote:

Tool aren't rock&metal to me, but I don't have any mod privilages.

I'd consider Tool a prog rock band, would you not?

0ubliette

Tool have only one 5 star album: Lateralus.
Everything else is bogged down with duff tracks and filler. Aenemia or however you spell it has about 4 good songs, the rest is 'quirky' crap or just plain crap. Undertow is distinctly average, only good songs on it are the singles, and 10,000 days was good but now id never lsiten to it again as its just pretty damn boring, aside from vicarious, which just sounds like a lateralus outtake.

Mr. CooL ICE

I only have Aenima and Lateralus, and I must say, Lateralus is an absolute masterpiece. I generally stay away from bands with such basic and generic (excluding the time sigs) riffage, but theres just something about the Lateralus album that always makes me want to listen to it again and again. The songs are extremely well constructed, atmospheric, and have their well-placed highs and lows, never minding the mind-blowing lyrical content. Videos kick bottom too.

But as for Aenima - meh. As said before, it has a handful of good songs, but the fillers seem like they are just trying to be prog strange for prog sake. Haven't listened to 10KD or Undertow so i can't comment.

I also find it interesting reading the comments on the Tool videos on youtube. As with every other video on the site, retarded comments are rife, but every so often, someone gives their interpretations and/or views on the videos and it gives the lyrics a whole new dimension. Last week, I spent about 2 hours researching the 7 chakras of the body's relationship with the pineal gland of the brain as a result of reading the comments after Parabola

flogen

Laserface wrote:

the more i listen to the tracks the more i hear they are very very simalar to irish trad riffs in ways..particularly the 2nd hald of the title track.

Funny you should say that - I've always imagined that 10,000 Days (particularly part 2) would sound really well if played on an acoustic guitar, bodhrán and fiddle (with maybe something else thrown in there). Thought I was just thinking crazy thoughts!

Maybe over time I'll assemble a group to play it at a family session or something!

S.M.B.

flogen wrote:

Funny you should say that - I've always imagined that 10,000 Days (particularly part 2) would sound really well if played on an acoustic guitar, bodhrán and fiddle (with maybe something else thrown in there). Thought I was just thinking crazy thoughts!

Maybe over time I'll assemble a group to play it at a family session or something!

I always thought Maynard's vocals (in part 2) sounded very similar to something Christy Moore would do.

It wasn't me!

Must say, I think I prefer Aenima to Lateralus a lot of the time. Find it a richer album in terms of feeling, personally, less polished, rawer, darker to my mind. Just a personal thing, but I love that album.

LightofDarkness

Well...

King Crimson
Opeth
Death
Cynic
Atheist
Pat Metheny
Charles Mingus
Pavor
Coprofago
Necrophagist (just for the technicality)
Mahavishnu Orchestra
The Bad Plus
Enslaved
Strapping Young Lad (when I think of Alien and City)

There's plenty more, that was more of a general starting point that covers most of the bases. I had another post in here a while back that had even more recommendations from several genres.

Karl Hungus

LightofDarkness wrote:

Well...

King Crimson
Opeth
Death
Cynic
Atheist
Pat Metheny
Charles Mingus
Pavor
Coprofago
Necrophagist (just for the technicality)
Mahavishnu Orchestra
The Bad Plus
Enslaved
Strapping Young Lad (when I think of Alien and City)

There's plenty more, that was more of a general starting point that covers most of the bases. I had another post in here a while back that had even more recommendations from several genres.

Definetly a lot of great bands there.

I think King Crimson are definetly a band everyone should check out. I got into them a few years ago, with the albums Red and In The Court Of The Crimson King, so I nabbed the Eyes Wide Open DVD, and I was amazed at how much the band had evolved. It was still astonishing stuff, but it was crazy to see how much they changed and experimented. Trey Gunn is quite a musician.

I wouldn't have mentioned Necrophagist, or Strapping Young Lad in reference to Tool though. Don't get me wrong, they're exceptionally good, but hardly very progressive. I'd probably give more mention to the Devin Townsend Band, Synchestra was an incredible piece of music that's a lot more progressive than what Devy is doing in SYL.

LightofDarkness

Yeah, I mention SYL for the heavy and groove-ish aspect, and Necrophagist for the sheer technicality, both of which are mentioned by many Tool fans (or should i say fanboys, as they are the deluded variety of fan) as central aspects to the band's sound and "greatness." But yes, they are not directly linked with Tool, although they are heavily focused on technicality and heaviness.

Zapp Brannigan

Opeth are better than Tool. Simple fact.

mp3guy

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

Opeth are better than Tool. Simple fact.

Not fact. Both are excellent bands, you don't want to stir the tool fanboys