Rezoning for new Gaelscoil in Mayfield refused

Share the Tank Field

I know, the wonders of local government. Meanwhile, our children go back to school in september and are back to being political footballs.

professore

If they had either ruled out the Tank Field site ages ago or just granted the permission it would have been better for everyone involved. The current situation suits no-one except the politicians.

Share the Tank Field

Exactly, and politicians will always do what suits them. Any site would be great but that means that the planning process has to begin all over again.

florodon2

Share the Tank Field wrote: »

Exactly, and politicians will always do what suits them. Any site would be great but that means that the planning process has to begin all over again.

The process would not have to begin again if the Dept chose the obvious option - take over enough of the buildings of Mayfield Community School and with little alteration the Gaelscoil could be in there this September!

Share the Tank Field

florodon2 wrote: »

The process would not have to begin again if the Dept chose the obvious option - take over enough of the buildings of Mayfield Community School and with little alteration the Gaelscoil could be in there this September!

Thats up to the Dept. though isn't it, what ever happens, it's their call.

thejuggler

Motion defeated 15-13 with one abstention. Quite tight.

professore

thejuggler wrote: »

Motion defeated 15-13 with one abstention. Quite tight.

Thanks. Would be interesting to know the breakdown of the votes.

evilivor

professore wrote: »

thejuggler wrote: »

Motion defeated 15-13 with one abstention. Quite tight.

Thanks. Would be interesting to know the breakdown of the votes.

From Proc:

CHANCE wrote: »

Cllr John KelleherÂ*
For
Cllr Tim BrosnanÂ*
Against
Cllr Ted Tynan
Against
Cllr Joe Kavanagh
against
Cllr Mick BarryÂ*
For
Cllr Catherine ClancyÂ*
For
Cllr Patricia GoschÂ*
Against
Cllr Kenneth O' FlynnÂ*
against
Cllr Thomas GouldÂ*
ForÂ*
Cllr Michael O ConnellÂ*
against
Cllr Tony fitzgeraldÂ*
Against
Cllr michael nugentÂ*
For
Cllr Joe O CallaghanÂ*
for
Cllr Laura McGonigleÂ*
For
Cllr Des CahillÂ*
againstÂ*
Cllr Denis O FlynnÂ*

Lord Mayor Terry Shannon

Cllr Chris O LearyÂ*
against
Cllr Kieran Mc CarthyÂ*
againstÂ*
Cllr Jim CorrÂ*
againstÂ*
Cllr Lorraine KingstonÂ*
for
CllrÂ*
Emmet O HalloranÂ*
against
Cllr Sean Martin

Cllr Mick Finn
for
Cllr Fiona Kerins

Cllr John ButtimerÂ*

Cllr Mary Shields
againstÂ*
Cllr Michael AhernÂ*

Cllr Brian Bermingham
against
Â*Cllr Henry CreminÂ*

Cllr Ger Gibbons
Heard no response when their name was called out. The councillors I have Â*nothing for I didn't catch what they said as I trying to write down the Â*others.

Share the Tank Field

It was a v tight vote, who abstained from the vote?, I thought there were two abstentions but there was only 1

evilivor

Share the Tank Field wrote: »

It was a v tight vote, who abstained from the vote?, I thought there were two abstentions but there was only 1

A v tight vote is as good as a huge margin.

Democracy is tough like that.

regress

Material contravention needed two thirds majority so not tight at all. Never thought I'd see an avowed socialist like Mick Barry vote to transfer public land to private ownership.

amoppet

good result for the greater community tonight, hope the school accept the decision now. well done to all those who gave so much of their time to preserving the Tank Field's status, future generations across the community have much to thank you for.

Share the Tank Field

regress wrote: »

Material contravention needed two thirds majority so not tight at all. Never thought I'd see an avowed socialist like Mick Barry vote to transfer public land to private ownership.

His was one of the better speeches tonight, at least he's in favour of children before a field,

Share the Tank Field

amoppet wrote: »

good result for the greater community tonight, hope the school accept the decision now. well done to all those who gave so much of their time to preserving the Tank Field's status, future generations across the community have much to thank you for.

I wouldnt be calling it a victory just yet, the school is still located on the tank field and the Department are still saying that the tank field is where they want to build it, so dont be counting your sicini a while.

thejuggler

I wonder how Lord Mayor Terry Shannon voted. I presume as a resident of St Christophers (a stones throw from the field) he would have voted against.

professore

amoppet wrote: »

good result for the greater community tonight, hope the school accept the decision now. well done to all those who gave so much of their time to preserving the Tank Field's status, future generations across the community have much to thank you for.

They won't be thanking you if they want to send their children to a Gaelscoil.

I started this thread 4 years ago and have had kids at the school since 2002 - 9 years ago - when a new school was only a year away supposedly - and despite a lot of time and effort there has been zero progress since. I see even less reason to expect it to be any different in 4 years time.

I think the vote is irrelevant in any event as An Bord Pleanala can overrule it? The local politicians are just posing with this vote as it means very little other than a delaying tactic.

Not that it will make any difference, as some other excuse will be found to keep the prefabs going generating huge rents every year from the taxpayer for whatever vested interest owns them.

evilivor

professore wrote: »

amoppet wrote: »

good result for the greater community tonight, hope the school accept the decision now. well done to all those who gave so much of their time to preserving the Tank Field's status, future generations across the community have much to thank you for.

They won't be thanking you if they want to send their children to a Gaelscoil.

I started this thread 4 years ago and have had kids at the school since 2002 - 9 years ago - when a new school was only a year away supposedly - and despite a lot of time and effort there has been zero progress since. I see even less reason to expect it to be any different in 4 years time.

I think the vote is irrelevant in any event as An Bord Pleanala can overrule it? The local politicians are just posing with this vote as it means very little other than a delaying tactic.

Not that it will make any difference, as some other excuse will be found to keep the prefabs going generating huge rents every year from the taxpayer for whatever vested interest owns them.

I suppose you wouldn't be saying the vote was irrelevant if it had gone in your favour.

Share the Tank Field

The vote means nothing except to the councillors. The whole issue is a huge vote swinger in this constituency and it will be even more so now. I was at the City Hall the other night and was surprised at the relief on the faces of the Save the Tank Field brilgade when the vote was passed. Lets see what happens now. Its going on 19 years now and its a disgrace that the children will probable spend another few years waiting because of appeals to this that and everything.

CaptainPendulum

Share the Tank Field wrote: »

The vote means nothing except to the councillors. The whole issue is a huge vote swinger in this constituency and it will be even more so now. I was at the City Hall the other night and was surprised at the relief on the faces of the Save the Tank Field brilgade when the vote was passed. Lets see what happens now. Its going on 19 years now and its a disgrace that the children will probable spend another few years waiting because of appeals to this that and everything.

Could make for a great book

professore

evilivor wrote: »

I suppose you wouldn't be saying the vote was irrelevant if it had gone in your favour.

Yes I would actually.

evilivor

CaptainPendulum wrote: »

Could make for a great book

'except they'd probably write it in Irish - just to make sure only the right sort of people could read it…

Share the Tank Field

evilivor wrote: »

'except they'd probably write it in Irish - just to make sure only the right sort of people could read it…

The story was told years ago, and the movie made....The Field, J.B. Keane,
and the wonderful residents against the school still havent learned. They go on about precedent if development goes ahead, well here's your precedent!

regress

You assume that development at the expense of the public to suit a few is a good thing. I think that its time ye admitted that ye have been outmanoeuvred and beaten. Ye lost. Despite your best efforts the Tank Field will remain as a resourse for ALL the people of Mayfield. btw I think the hidden agenda here was to transfer a large parcel of public land to Brian Dillons.

Share the Tank Field

regress wrote: »

You assume that development at the expense of the public to suit a few is a good thing. I think that its time ye admitted that ye have been outmanoeuvred and beaten. Ye lost. Despite your best efforts the Tank Field will remain as a resourse for ALL the people of Mayfield. btw I think the hidden agenda here was to transfer a large parcel of public land to Brian Dillons.

I would prefer if you wouldnt make assumptions for me because what I actually assume and I also assume I'm correct on this, is that the development cannot go ahead because of the actions of a few. The school has not lost, the prefabs are still there and the Department are deciding what course they will follow. The issue is still ongoing and the children are still without a proper building. Have a little gloat about that now and see how good it makes you feel. If you were at the meeting the other night you would have heard the City Manager speak about the situation with Brian Dillons and the access question.

54kroc

Share the Tank Field wrote: »

If you were at the meeting the other night you would have heard the City Manager speak about the situation with Brian Dillons and the access question.

Perhaps you could tell us what he said.

professore

regress wrote: »

You assume that development at the expense of the public to suit a few is a good thing

A few. The recent march of parents and students was attended by 800 people at a conservative estimate, and this is a fraction of the people affected now and over the years.

professore

regress wrote: »

You assume that development at the expense of the public to suit a few is a good thing. I think that its time ye admitted that ye have been outmanoeuvred and beaten. Ye lost. Despite your best efforts the Tank Field will remain as a resourse for ALL the people of Mayfield. btw I think the hidden agenda here was to transfer a large parcel of public land to Brian Dillons.

Let's be honest here, that's what it's all about for you people, a contest to prove what great people you are. Well done, you are fantastic, an example to us all. Makes me proud to be Irish. None of you really cares about the field, it's just a thick headed protest that is based on misplaced jealousy. What will be your next project I wonder - objecting to opening a new hospital wing to treat leukemia patients because it interferes with your view of Mayfield shopping centre?

The losers here are the schoolchildren - but as Official Ireland has proven over and over again nobody in authority cares about the welfare of children.

evilivor

professore wrote: »

Let's be honest here, that's what it's all about for you people, a contest to prove what great people you are. Well done, you are fantastic, an example to us all. Makes me proud to be Irish. None of you really cares about the field, it's just a thick headed protest that is based on misplaced jealousy. What will be your next project I wonder - objecting to opening a new hospital wing to treat leukemia patients because it interferes with your view of Mayfield shopping centre?

The losers here are the schoolchildren - but as Official Ireland has proven over and over again nobody in authority cares about the welfare of children.

I just object to Irish language fascists who use a dying language as a tool to implement a sort of social apartheid. I care not for a field.

I hope the current government have the courage of their convictions to remove the enforced teaching of Irish – it’s one of the reasons I voted for them. In fact, I wish they would go further and have a referendum on the removal of Irish as an official language for this state - the other official language is perfectly adequate. This ludicrous translation of official documents is a luxury we can ill afford. Those who wish to educate themselves and their children in Irish will be unaffected – it’ll be just another foreign language in schools – maybe standards will improve.

We should market ourselves world wide as one of the best countries in the world for English and target the huge numbers of people who want to be educated in English particularly at tertiary level – we need to utilise our resources not cling on to relics.

professore

evilivor wrote: »

I just object to Irish language fascists who use a dying language as a tool to implement a sort of social apartheid. I care not for a field.

I don't see any evidence of this to be honest. This is not the case with the school in any event. All are welcome. All church involvement and religious instruction in schools should be scrapped too as that is a much more powerful form of apartheid. Would you as a devout Christian send your kids to a school with pictures of Mohammed in every classroom or vice versa?

I hope the current government have the courage of their convictions to remove the enforced teaching of Irish – it’s one of the reasons I voted for them. In fact, I wish they would go further and have a referendum on the removal of Irish as an official language for this state - the other official language is perfectly adequate. This ludicrous translation of official documents is a luxury we can ill afford. Those who wish to educate themselves and their children in Irish will be unaffected – it’ll be just another foreign language in schools – maybe standards will improve.

This is another debate which has a lot of merit in my opinion. I would be in favour of a course of spoken Irish Gaelscoil style at primary school level but otherwise optional. Then again the whole way of teaching languages in Ireland is completely ineffective. By the way I can barely speak a few words of Irish myself - and hated it in school - although it has improved from listening to my kids.

We should market ourselves world wide as one of the best countries in the world for English and target the huge numbers of people who want to be educated in English particularly at tertiary level – we need to utilise our resources not cling on to relics.

Yes, since we are so bad at teaching languages we don't have an option.

54kroc

evilivor wrote: »

I just object to Irish language fascists who use a dying language as a tool to implement a sort of social apartheid. I care not for a field.

I hope the current government have the courage of their convictions to remove the enforced teaching of Irish – it’s one of the reasons I voted for them. In fact, I wish they would go further and have a referendum on the removal of Irish as an official language for this state - the other official language is perfectly adequate. This ludicrous translation of official documents is a luxury we can ill afford. Those who wish to educate themselves and their children in Irish will be unaffected – it’ll be just another foreign language in schools – maybe standards will improve.

We should market ourselves world wide as one of the best countries in the world for English and target the huge numbers of people who want to be educated in English particularly at tertiary level – we need to utilise our resources not cling on to relics.

I have to say I have the complete opposite view to you.
I think all primary and secondary education should be taught in Irish.
We should be proud of it not calling it a relic.

As for "Irish language fascists" all I can say is that's a very ignorant view that people have.
There's nothing wrong with opposing the school on the tank field, but for god's sake don't oppose it because it's a gaelscoil.