Heinze to Liverpool?

RE*AC*TOR

The square root of Heinze multiplied by twice the cos of Evra is greater than or equal to the log of Aurelio!!! (spot the toilet humour)

In all seriousness, Risse is still my first choice out of all those mentioned. Liverpool's defense has hardly been weak with him at left back, and his leg cannon seems to get better every year.

DSB

How has Neil1984 not been banned?

mayordenis

i've yet to see childish insults or toilet humour i'm disappointed.

Dont be at yourself

Yeah, I'd be hesitant to drop Riise - why fix what isn't broke? What's more, he's our biggest threat from free-kicks.

zAbbo

Riise is quality, if Heinze adds extra options, and annoys whiskey nose, well it's worth it.

event

NekkidBibleMan wrote:

Yeah, I'd be hesitant to drop Riise - why fix what isn't broke? What's more, he's our biggest threat from free-kicks.

TBH, i dont buy that at all

every time liverpool get a free near the box, they let him blast it.

id like to know how many free kicks he has scored in his time at anfield.

Mr Alan

cant believe anyone who watches liverpool week in week out would think that, defensively Riise is good. Our solid back line is more to do with the calibre of Agger/Hypia,Carra and Finnan. Riise is definately the weak link.

As for his frees and shots, they are good to have but he attempts them SOOO often it is ridiculous. He pretty much plays as a winger when he is playing anyway so may as well bring heinze in so Riise can totally ignore defensive duties (which i think he does in the main anyway!

As for your childish comments Mr Reactor, it doesn't matter. Just don't put me in the same bracket as Neil (hi neil!), slag him off all ya want but leave me out of it. Cheers

Thanx 4 The Fish

Neil, cool it or you will will be banned.

Not a threat, a promise.

PHB

Riise is a world class wing back, an average winger, and a good left back. If you played 3-5-2, there isn't another wing back bar maybe Zambrotta I'd rather.

Thanx 4 The Fish

And if we played 3-5-2 then I would like to have Heinze on the left of the three

See there is room for Heinze and Riise.

astrofool

If liverpool do a 3-5-2 it'll most likely be 5 dm's across the middle (a la Chelsea but taken to Ossie Ardiles extreme)

Dont be at yourself

id like to know how many free kicks he has scored in his time at anfield.

2 in his last 3 games!

zAbbo

about 20 in 200 games I think.

PHB

He's scored 21 goals in 205 games, so about half of them would have been free kicks?

zAbbo

That could be optimistic, He does suffer a bit from Roberto Carlos syndrome.

el rabitos

dont really think heinze is worth all the trouble and effort tbh.

if it was a straight transfer for 4 or 5 million, yeh ok. he'd be worth the risk to see if he can reclaim his form of a couple of seasons ago.

but he's been fairly average the past 2 years so i dont really see the point in going to war over him.

Utopia Parkway

Don't know why United are kicking up such a fuss here?

As far as I can see he's 2nd choice now to Evra and has been far from impressive since his injury.

Personally I'm not too pushed about seeing him at Anfield.

Seems that Demento just doesn't want to sell to Liverpool.:D

~Rebel~

For riise's free's i wouldnt worry about that too much, he only gets to take them since theres noone specialised. gerrard takes some if on a nice angle for his right foot, but again its just a blaster. Aurelio takes most of the ones that suit him since he's clearly the best even though he hasnt actually scored any. We could really do with a proper specialist who will score maybe one in four around the box.

On Heinze, just getting to the heart of the matter, ignoring who he'd replace or be in competition for, he would be a grea player to have in the squad, able to play left back or center back (which is the only position we desperately need cover for) so if we get him great! He'll probably get more games then he would at OT but still probably not as many as he'd like. If he's willing to work and fight for the LB position then he is good enough to take it a la what Finnan did/does on the right.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Neil, cool it or you will will be banned.

Not a threat, a promise.

Ok, again, why single out me, reactor started with any name calling that went on? Is it cos of who we support?:rolleyes:

No need to ban, I wont be posting very often in the soccer forum anymore unless its United related.

RE*AC*TOR

Deleted User wrote:

Ok, again, why single out me, reactor started with any name calling that went on? Is it cos of who we support?:rolleyes:

No need to ban, I wont be posting very often in the soccer forum anymore unless its United related.

what name calling?
what childish insults?
what toilet humour?

RE*AC*TOR

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

what name calling?
what childish insults?
what toilet humour?

Referring to people as "Ladies", implying we should
"Go to the work toilets together" etc etc, pretty much bottom of the barrell simpleton "humour".



Cant believe u even had to ask.

RE*AC*TOR

Deleted User wrote:

Referring to people as "Ladies", implying we should
"Go to the work toilets together" etc etc, pretty much bottom of the barrell simpleton "humour".



Cant believe u even had to ask.

1. Ladies... I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary. Its hardly an insult. It seems very sexist to me that you would consider that an insult. Do you think women are inferior?

2. I said you should go to the office canteen. C A N T E E N. That as far as I know is somewhere you can have a cup of tea and a chat. I don't **** in the canteen. I still don't get where this toilet humour nonsense came from.

3. Simpleton surely is an actual insult? No?

Ill be posting in United threads and United threads only from now on.


Cue the celebrations!

RE*AC*TOR

Deleted User wrote:

All im gonna say is nice edit. What u originally said was "Im not aware of the concept of toilet humour, unless theres something you do in your office toilet that Im not aware of" which u later edited to "office canteen".


Im not bothered replying again, if u cant back up what u say originally then dont take the sly route n say something and then later claim u said something else.

Amd for the guy who asked how I havent been banned..... Really, all im doin is expressing an opinion, u may not agree with it but if u were to ban everyone who disagreed in here, thered be no forum. Anyway no need to worry Im outta here, gonna keep my more controversial views for places where people dont take them as a personal insult.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53647984&postcount=43

That's the first post, which you can see is unedited, and mentions the canteen.

The post you referred to was originally just:

I don't think you quite grasp the concept "toilet humour".

to which I edited, to add:

unless there's something you do in your office canteen that I might not be aware of.

If you don't believe me, perhaps one of the mods can confirm that at no point did I suggest Neil1984 and millersangel should go to the toilet together.

As for your controversial views... they are no more controversial than anyone else who can't engage is reasoned debate.

RE*AC*TOR

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

As for your controversial views... they are no more controversial than anyone else who can't engage is reasoned debate.

Thats rich seeing as your only contribution to the Heinze debate was a no-brrainer remark about myself and another poster...

RE*AC*TOR

Deleted User wrote:

Thats rich seeing as your only contribution to the Heinze debate was a no-brrainer remark about myself and another poster...

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Its not a huge deal, Heinze is a good player. But he doesn't play in a position that is necessarily a problem for us. Riise, Aurelio and Arbeloa can do a job at left back. Centre half, maybe there's more need for over, Carra, Agger and Sami. But would he become an immediate first choice? If not, what reason would he have for moving?

This whole thing makes little sense to me.

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

In all seriousness, Risse is still my first choice out of all those mentioned. Liverpool's defense has hardly been weak with him at left back, and his leg cannon seems to get better every year.

next point please?

Chardee MacDennis

where's the 'banging head against wall' smiley?

Mitch Connor

Call_me_al wrote:

where's the 'banging head against wall' smiley?

it got bored with this thread and went somewhere else

Mr Alan

Definately the saddest arguement i've ever seen in here. Once again, please leave my name out of it, nothing to do with me.

**edit**

zAbbo

I for one enjoy the Neil1984 & MillerSangel sub story on this forum, There's defintely a Will They / Won't They get it on suspense, not seen since Will & Grace finished.

As suggested if you want to indulge in your hilarious brokeback wink smilie nudge debacles, take it too the Canteen (why you thought Toilets, who knows )

On Topic, I hope something gets sorted out soon with Heinze, from a Liverpool POV, the more time he gets to gel - the better.

yom 1

zabbo wrote:

On Topic, I hope something gets sorted out soon with Heinze, from a Liverpool POV, the more time he gets to gel - the better.

Not only that but if we dont get him it doesnt leave benitez with a lot of time to get defensive cover in.

Chardee MacDennis

Tauren wrote:

it got bored with this thread and went somewhere else

5starpool

It's just like having the mega thread back!!!!

Anyways, I am not sure that Heinze is worth £7m though. He can play at CB to cover there, which we need, but he didn't cover himself in golry when he covered there for Utd last season.

Mr Alan

ha ha ha ha . . . . . making comments about peoples possible sexual orientation, personal insult/funny comment - you decide!

Seriously, keep me out of this.

On the Heinze thing, doesn't seem to be any new development apart from Ferguson saying that United were loyal to him during injury etc etc which is a load of tosh.

Wat would people think of Leighton Baines as a signing? Have to admit, i really rate the bloke, and for 6 million, he could be worth a gamble!

Mitch Connor

millersangel wrote:

ha ha ha ha . . . . . making comments about peoples possible sexual orientation, personal insult/funny comment - you decide!

Seriously, keep me out of this.

On the Heinze thing, doesn't seem to be any new development apart from Ferguson saying that United were loyal to him during injury etc etc which is a load of tosh.

Wat would people think of Leighton Baines as a signing? Have to admit, i really rate the bloke, and for 6 million, he could be worth a gamble!

How is it a load of tosh? Did we tell him to sort his own medical bills/treatment? Did we try and force him to not go to the world cup given that he clearly wasn't fit enough yet? Did we stop paying him? Did we try to sell him? Did we not give him time to get back to fitnes? Did we not make him captain in some of the games on his return?

How is it tosh to say we loyal to him through his injury?

Mr Alan

in the words of my bretherin across the pond, CALM DOWN! CALM DOWN!

ok, maybe not complete tosh, but my main point was that...
Did Ferguson show any loyalty to Keane when he criticised the players?
Any Loyalty to Smith for all the heart he shows? (you say it not me!)
Was he loyal enough to give Heinze his position in the side back and give him a chance to regain his form of old?
Was he loyal enough to stop bad mouthing his brother in the press every opportunity he gets?
Was he loyal enough to not contact the major clubs around Europe and let them know Heinze was available in the summer for 6.7million?

Loyalty in football is too often used as a tool to bribe players emotionally.

Like it or not, football is a cut throat business.

Heinze is not a product of the Academy at United, they did not turn him into the player he is, they hired him to do a job, he did it to the best of his abilities.

In my opinion, he owes United nothing but a thank you and goodbye.

redspider

I'm a little surprised by Liverpool's interest in Heinze.

It seems the player is 'unsettled' and didnt fancy playing 2nd fiddle to Evra this season. Its true that he had startling performances when he joined Man Utd and he was a real gem of a 'find', but that didnt continue after his comback after injury. I didnt see enough of him in Copa America to judge him (I saw enough of Riquelme though, very good).

So, Heinze's agent was on the phone and doing his job and trying to do the best for his player. That came as a surprise to Ferguson, but contacting Liverpool about it was unusual. Also, its all out in the public domain. I'm sure Man Utd would have preferred his sale to happen quietly, quickly and for him to go abroad.

There is sort of an unwritten practical 'rule' between the big clubs not to sell players to each other and it makes sense because when a good player moves it reduces the sellers 'capability' and increases the 'buyers', which is not a smart move for teams that compete with each other. Man Utd would much rather sell him to Real Madrid or someone in Spain, who they dont see as competition in the CL. Liverpool did the same with Owen, for example, as Man Utd did with Van Nistelrooy and Beckham.

From Benitez's perspective, it could help the squad, but with Aurelio, Arbeloa and Riise all able to fill the left back role, it seems to be an overkill. Grante the left back position is far from ideal, as none of the aforementioned are brilliant at it, but then neither is Heinze from recent evidence.

His sale could dent Man Utd's capability more than adding to Liverpool's. But another aspect is that any such move wouldnt happen easy and will and is taking up a lot of effort/focus on the Liverpool staff management. That in my opinion is wasted energy.

Lets see what transpires ...... I think I'd prefer to spend 7m/9m on another left back, Lahm anyone ..... or is he right?

Redspider

jesus_thats_gre

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

It depends on what is in the letter and how binding it is. Can we just stop speculating on it and arguing about something that we really have no clue about and see how it pans out? We are going around it circles at this stage.

........

Mitch Connor

millersangel wrote:

in the words of my bretherin across the pond, CALM DOWN! CALM DOWN!

ok, maybe not complete tosh, but my main point was that...
Did Ferguson show any loyalty to Keane when he criticised the players?
Any Loyalty to Smith for all the heart he shows? (you say it not me!)
Was he loyal enough to give Heinze his position in the side back and give him a chance to regain his form of old?
Was he loyal enough to stop bad mouthing his brother in the press every opportunity he gets?
Was he loyal enough to not contact the major clubs around Europe and let them know Heinze was available in the summer for 6.7million?

Loyalty in football is too often used as a tool to bribe players emotionally.

Like it or not, football is a cut throat business.

Heinze is not a product of the Academy at United, they did not turn him into the player he is, they hired him to do a job, he did it to the best of his abilities.

In my opinion, he owes United nothing but a thank you and goodbye.

Keane - not the last time - but everytime before that.
Smith - should Fergie force Smith to stay?
Heinze DID get his position back - and was picked ahead of Evra when it was a straight choice betweent he two in big games.
Was has Heinze'sbrother got to do with loyalty to heinze?

IMO, he owes United 2 more years, if that is what they want of him

PHB

Lahm is both left and right, and I'd be surprised if you got him for less than 15-20 million. The guy is top class.

LegacyUser

zabbo wrote:

On Topic, I hope something gets sorted out soon with Heinze, from a Liverpool POV, the more time he gets to gel - the better.

I'd forget about it because it ain't gonna happen...

zAbbo

cheesedude wrote:

I'd forget about it because it ain't gonna happen...

Thats that then, case closed.

Mr Alan

Tauren wrote:

Keane - not the last time - but everytime before that.
Smith - should Fergie force Smith to stay?
Heinze DID get his position back - and was picked ahead of Evra when it was a straight choice betweent he two in big games.
Was has Heinze'sbrother got to do with loyalty to heinze?

IMO, he owes United 2 more years, if that is what they want of him

Keane- only because it suited United as he was still at the top of his game.
Smith- No, but my point is surely loyalty works both ways?
Heinze was picked ahead of Evra in big games, again because Ferguson figured he'd do a better job, not out of loyalty.
Would you be overly loyal to an employer who bad mouthed your family in the press? I can safely say if Rafa came out and said Alex Curran was a money grabber and detracting from Stevie Gs game, that he'd be off elsewhere. Likewise, Fergie coming out and slating Heinzes brother (agent) hardly inspires Heinze to show great loyalty and rightly so.

My overall point is that its rich for Ferguson to demand loyalty from Heinze when he would not return the favour unless it suited him (thats not loyalty).
Standing by him through injuries isn't loyalty, the club didn't have any choice but to pay his wages and pay for his rehab, every club in the world would do the same i'd imagine.

IMO, he owes Utd nothing. Lets just add it to the list of things we don't agree on.

Mr Alan

ha ha ha cheesedude, nice contribution!

Unless you are a member of Liverpools legal team or maybe even Uniteds for that matter, I ain't gonna take your word as gospel though. Hope thats ok!?

marco_polo

If he really wants a move then all he has to do is write a book and make some negative comments about Alex, ala Jap Stam.

I'm sure Eamon Dunphy or Cathal Dervan would be able to churn one out in about 20 minutes.

PHB

Heinze has initiated legal proceddings!

Blackstone Chambers has scored its second instruction on a disputed football transfer, after being brought in to secure Argentine defender Gabriel Heinze's release from Manchester United FC.

Andrew Green has been instructed by Hill Dickinson partner Richard Green on behalf of Heinze.

Andrew Green is also part of the team acting for the agents of Carlos Tevez in their dispute with West Ham United FC.

The dispute is between Heinze and his current club Manchester United.

The club has refused to allow Heinze a transfer to rival club Liverpool FC, with the player instructing lawyers to push the move through before the transfer deadline at the end of August.

Green said that the dispute will be settled through arbitration, rather than the courts.

Brabners Chaffe Street is acting for Manchester United. Liverpool has not yet instructed outside counsel.

Peyton Manning

Ferguson would not be denying it so assuringly if he knew that there was a chance that Heinze would go to Pool. Its not going to happen.

PHB

I honestly don't think Fergie thought Heinze was actually attempt a legal approach. Now that he has, it's all about whether that piece of paper holds up. I really can't see why it would, but then again, I've never studied contract law. Oddly enough, the same guy who is representing Heinze against United is also representing MSI for United

Mitch Connor

PHB wrote:

Heinze has initiated legal proceddings!

that is currently nowhere apart from the ManUtdTalk forums - and i that basis i'm gonna say it is rubbish. That site is a complete sham. Until it turns up somewhere else a lot more reputable I'll not be believing it.