Importing from the USA.

kowloon

Think black powder firearms have to be pre 1840 and smoothbore to be exempt, modern copies need shotgun certs if they can fire; or so im told

rrpc

kowloon wrote:

Think black powder firearms have to be pre 1840 and smoothbore to be exempt, modern copies need shotgun certs if they can fire; or so im told

It's pre 1847. Everything else requires a licence except unfortunately you cannot get a licence to buy black powder (at the moment) so black powder firearms whatever their age are only good for display purposes.

Clare gunner

How about Pyrodex?? .It isnt classed as an explosive ,it can be shipped airmail,which doesnt allow aerosol sprays to be shipped by aircraft.
100 % safer than BP,isnt static electricity sensitive,and needs a good spark to ignite.Would have thought that would be easily available here.

rrpc

Clare gunner wrote:

How about Pyrodex?? .It isnt classed as an explosive ,it can be shipped airmail,which doesnt allow aerosol sprays to be shipped by aircraft.
100 % safer than BP,isnt static electricity sensitive,and needs a good spark to ignite.Would have thought that would be easily available here.

Don't know about that CG, but I don't know of anyone shooting black powder firearms in this country. I would suspect it's possible but licensing would be interesting seeing as you have both smooth bore and rifled muzzle loaders which could either be classed as rifles or shotguns.

And then you have the whole ball game (pun intended) of calibres.

Very big in the UK now since the pistol ban, but TBH I'm not sure I'd like all that smoke in my face

kowloon

Pyrodex wont spark in a flintlock apparently, not sure how you would get percussion caps either.

I was strongly considering getting a BP gun last year but held off because of the powder problems.

Who was it who told me about that Tap O Cap thingy?

I wonder if one of those and some pyrodex would work in a rifle musket, like a springfield or an enfield.
Expensive experiment if youre wrong.

Clare gunner

Tap O cap.Proably me.Works by making percussion caps from aluminium beer cans and kiddie caps for toy pistols.
And yes they do work in percussion guns.

kowloon

Mailed a few US delaers on antique non-ffl exporting, got some replies:

So far best response was that it shouldnt be a problem but they wont wait a month for a license to be issued here unless the gun is going to be paid for.
A bit dodgy if you get refused your license.


Think it was you CG, can you even get the capgun caps anymore though?

Clare gunner

Yeah,Smyths toy store carry them.Amazing that they still do in this hysterical PC age.You need the roll types.
If you are buying one in the US Would suggest you send them a downer of say 25% of the retail value,to hold till you get your liscense over here.Explain to them that it is a miserable situation over here and that they take a godawful long time to issue liscenses.If you dont get a liscense within say,12 months tell them they can keep the deposit for their troubles.If you do get it,no probs.
OTOH you could go and buy it in Germany,in DIY kit form or compleate,without any paperwork over the counter.PROVIDED it is a single barrel,single shot,muzzle loader,irrespective of cal or rifle or smoothbore.

Reason is,they are considerd so primitive and so slow to reload,and you cant get any type of propellant without your explosive liscense,that it is no threat to the Gen public,even if you did make your own homebrew black powder.You are really no match against two German street cops with a HK MP5 or 9mm pistols.Plus there is a damn good selection in Frankonia,and other specialist BP dealers over there.

kowloon

Good excuse to go to smyths

kowloon

Update:

According to Dept. Justice you need an import license to import from US, the only difference to EU importing is no section 7 required.

Interestingly enough their website has this:

An individual importing a firearm or ammunition from a country which is not a member of the EU:
You should be in possession of a valid firearms certificate for a specified firearm or quantity of ammunition.

There is no legal requirement to obtain an importation licence from the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Now im confused...

N.O.I.P.

I believe that in the case of importing from outside of the EU your Firearms license does double duty and functions as you import license as well (at least that was my understanding of an earlier post)

kowloon

thats what i thought too, but the person in justice told me to fill in the same form as the EU import one and apply for the license aswell as the cert.

N.O.I.P.

Well if the EU import license doesn't cost anything then you may as well apply for it just in case, although it may be worth asking for a second opinion from the DOJ. We might have to use you as a case study for this

kowloon

The problem is any place in the states (or elsewhere) will require a deposit while you apply for both the import license and the cert.
Increases the chance of losing the deposit.

N.O.I.P.

I don't suppose you could apply without the serial number but have it amended before the gun is shipped? (yes I'm aware that this is a stupid question )

Clare gunner

kowloon wrote:

Update:

According to Dept. Justice you need an import license to import from US, the only difference to EU importing is no section 7 required.

Interestingly enough their website has this:

An individual importing a firearm or ammunition from a country which is not a member of the EU:
You should be in possession of a valid firearms certificate for a specified firearm or quantity of ammunition.

There is no legal requirement to obtain an importation licence from the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

Now im confused...

Knowing A"£$S from elbows in the DOJ would be too much to ask for I guess.
One sday it is no import liscense,now it is required.:rolleyes:

rrpc

Clare gunner wrote:

Knowing A"£$S from elbows in the DOJ would be too much to ask for I guess.
One sday it is no import liscense,now it is required.:rolleyes:

AFAIK it is not necessary to have an Article 7 to import from outside the EU for one very important reason: The Article 7 is an EU piece of paper and means the square root of feck all outside the EU.

All you need is your licence.

kowloon

I was told import license was still required along with the cert (if its antique you still need the import license), i think ill ring them again on monday and see if its the same story.

yank_in_eire

CG - here's a twist for you on the importing from the US - what if you already own the guns? I have 12 and 20 gauge Winchester 1300 pump actions and a Marlin model 60 semi-auto .22LR collecting dust at my parents' house in Colorado since I moved here 6 years ago. Assuming I can get approval/licenses from my local superintendent, could I have them shipped over?
I would imagine that the paperwork/procedure is probably very similar, but can you be charged duty when importing your own property???

SMERSH

Do you need to maintain a licence in the US for these guns? I would imagine that a super would want to see said documents to prove you own the guns?

Clare gunner

yank_in_eire wrote:

CG - here's a twist for you on the importing from the US - what if you already own the guns? I have 12 and 20 gauge Winchester 1300 pump actions and a Marlin model 60 semi-auto .22LR collecting dust at my parents' house in Colorado since I moved here 6 years ago. Assuming I can get approval/licenses from my local superintendent, could I have them shipped over?
I would imagine that the paperwork/procedure is probably very similar, but can you be charged duty when importing your own property???

Sure can and go ahead.It is as I described,and proably easier somwhat as they are scattergun and a 22lr.Do as I said in the posts and you are fine.And NO you cannot be charged import duty on pre owned property.They tried that with me as well,but if you can prove it is your property,it is just a 45 euro "admin fee"

SMERSH
NO rthere is no liscensing system as we know it in the USA[Thank God].
Only liscenses you need are for full auto waepons or sawn off shotguns,silencers etc.That is the closrat that the US has to a national iscense system

yank_in_eire

SMERSH- It's exactly as ClareGunner said - no licenses needed unless it's for something exotic like a full-auto or grenade launcher:D
In Delaware where I used to live there wasn't even a waiting period. You just go to the gunshop, fill out the State Police firearms purchase cert, then the shop owner calls in to a dedicated hotline and the Staties run a quick background check, and provided you have no previous convictions that would prevent you owning a firearm, you have your approval in around 15-20 minutes.
The funny thing is (pay attention anti's)....both in Ireland with its heavy restrictions and in the States with relatively few restrictions, the majority of criminals still have guns. It's unfortunate that in places like Ireland that the law-abiding sportsmen are lumped into the same group and penalised as well (of course that's only my opinion and you're all quite free to disagree)

kowloon

Dont get this thread locked with the gun debate yet , i want the proper dept. line posted in here first.

smert' shpionam

N.O.I.P.

kowloon wrote:

smert' shpionam

You see this is exactly why I hate being a newbie, this right here could be a spelling mistake, latin or some secret firearms owners term that I have never even heard of

(Actually if anyone wants to answer I really would like to know what it means)

IRLConor

Not enough Bond movies N.O.I.P.

If I remember correctly, it's explained in the Living Daylights. It means "death to spies" in Russian (СМЕРть Шпионам) and was shortened to "SMERSH" (СМЕРШ) which is the nick of a previous poster.

Wikipedia has an article on the real SMERSH and on the Bond version.

N.O.I.P.

You know that's twice in 24hrs I've been told I don't watch enough bond movies and both times it was by a members of this forum
Cheers IRLConor

kowloon

IRLConor wrote:

Not enough Bond movies N.O.I.P.

If I remember correctly, it's explained in the Living Daylights. It means "death to spies" in Russian (СМЕРть Шпионам) and was shortened to "SMERSH" (СМЕРШ) which is the nick of a previous poster.

Wikipedia has an article on the real SMERSH and on the Bond version.

Very good Mr. Bond, but not good enough to save you from my legion of colour coordinated ninjas!!! MUAHAAHAAAHAAAHAAA

I put that in to test SMERSH, but its not much of a test now.
FOILED AGAIN!!

civdef

OT-ness aplenty, plus the original point has been made at this stage.