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Teaching with just a BA

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  • 30-07-2007 3:19pm
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    brianthebard
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    Hey peeps I'm taking a year out cause I didn't get the masters I wanted. Some people have said I could teach for the year. Is it possible to take on a teaching job with just a BA? Would it only be junior certs or could I teach leaving as well? Am I too late to be thinking about this anyways? Any tips would be appreciated.


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    funktastic
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    Schools are required to get qualified teachers with a HDip. You could get substitution, but that would be just supervising classes if a teacher is sick. You definitely won't get any leaving cert classes. If you're lucky you might get a few 1st year classes if a teacher is sick now and again. There is an abundance of history teachers.


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    Trotter
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    funktastic wrote:
    You definitely won't get any leaving cert classes. If you're lucky you might get a few 1st year classes if a teacher is sick now and again. There is an abundance of history teachers.

    Thats not true in general.

    I've taught as a sub without a H.Dip in over 5 secondary schools and there's no system that stops you teaching leaving cert students if you are subbing for a day.

    If the teacher you are covering for teaches 1st, 5th and 6th years for maths for example, you'll be supervising all of those classes, and if you're able, you can often go ahead and teach them.

    There is no rule that says you wont be allowed in to supervise the 6th years. My first ever class as a sub was with a leaving cert crowd, and my 2nd class was a group of lively 1st years.

    You sub for the teacher for the day.. if they teach everyone.. so do you.


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    spurious
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    As someone who assigns teachers to classes for 'deputies', you'll get whatever classes you'll take. Any ages, any levels, filling in for a teacher of any subject.


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    TheDriver
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    Just be wary, subbing around the place can be tough as you don't build up a reputation in any one school but if you can get subbing for a period in a school then you can become known


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    guinnessdrinker
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    A lecturer told us last year that if you have a degree you can teach in VEC schools without the Hdip and is possible to get permanent.

    I have tried to find more info on this but cant seem to find any, is he mistaken in what he told us?


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    kittex
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    VECs are not lesser and are subject to the same requirements as other schools - and as far as I'm aware that means being qualified to get a permanent post.
    Spurious can correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem very odd that VECs would accept less qualified staff given the diversity of pupils and needs they deal with.


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    spurious
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    VECs actually traditionally demanded a higher level of qualification than the privately owned schools. Up til only recently you needed quite a high level of oral and written Irish to teach in a VEC school, regardless of what your own subject was, while you just needed the State Registration Oral exam for the secondary sector. I had to do part of my interview in Irish (oh the memories...).

    I haven't come across anyone permanent without a Dip., apart from those like me who have a B.Ed. as well as a 'subject' degree, or a specialist teaching qualification - Home. Ec., Religion, P.E., or are teaching one of the 'non Memo V.7' subjects.

    There are many who have hours with just a degree, but most of them are working towards the H. Dip.

    I would think it would be very unusual for someone with no Dip. to get a permanent position (if you could find such a thing) over someone who has a Dip.. The interview process favours those with higher qualifications.


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    funktastic
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    I think they got rid of allowing people with no degree permanency in VEC's in the mid '80s.

    I think it would be fairly difficult getting substitution without knowing someone to 'get you in' given the amount of qualified teacher without jobs.


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    beno-23
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    hey,
    i finished my ba last year and didnt know what i wanted to do. i sent cv's out to all the schools in my area and a few of them got back to me. i taught for a full school year both junior cert and leaving cert higher level in a vec school.so...yes you can teach!!!


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    Trotter
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    beno-23 wrote:
    hey,
    i finished my ba last year and didnt know what i wanted to do. i sent cv's out to all the schools in my area and a few of them got back to me. i taught for a full school year both junior cert and leaving cert higher level in a vec school.so...yes you can teach!!!

    Were you covering for an existing member of staff?


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    gaeilgegrinds
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    Our principal has refused to take on any non-Dip teachers since last April. No idea why but found out over the Summer many principals are going the same way so I can only say it's on the increase. I agree. Why take on someone not fully qualified? I'm not saying the Dip makes you a better teacher but it's like arguing against doing the driving test, just do it! You might get subbing but in Galway that's becoming increasingly difficult, even for fully qualified teachers. Best of luck


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    gaeilgegrinds
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    Guinessdrinker, technically not incorrect, just a little out of date. Happened up until his year but no more.


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    brianthebard
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    gaeilgegrinds wrote:
    Our principal has refused to take on any non-Dip teachers since last April. No idea why but found out over the Summer many principals are going the same way so I can only say it's on the increase. I agree. Why take on someone not fully qualified? I'm not saying the Dip makes you a better teacher but it's like arguing against doing the driving test, just do it! You might get subbing but in Galway that's becoming increasingly difficult, even for fully qualified teachers. Best of luck

    It might be because there's a lot of teachers out there these days (afaik.) I should have said in the first post that I'm only looking for a job for a year atm, i.e. subbing, but I'm also looking for journalism jobs at local papers which I'm leaning more towards atm. i was told by a social welfare officer that I could teach, but maybe that was just to get me sending out cv's!


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    gaeilgegrinds
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    In fairness I know there is a chance of you getting work but the social welfare officer was wrong to say you could get work. I hope you get something.


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    brianthebard
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    Yeah me too! Thanks for the info anyways. I felt she might just be saying that to get me out of her office and away from the dole queue.


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