Do Aliens really exist ????

Leonitos

Well thats the big quesion is there life outside our own galaxy, or planet for that matter and if so what would an Alien really look like ?

daveirl

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qwertplaywert

I agree. There may be alien cover ups existant[i dont believe there are] but the OPS post included nothing to do with conspiracys.

Sidenote:Personally, I believe its ridicious NOT to believe in Aliens.All the countless Galaxys, we cant be the only world fit to contain human life, not to mention the fact there would be other orgasisms able to survive in differnt envirorments.

Degsy

Ah but do the radish-headed bastards walk amongst us for some dark purpose and have the suits in the government been hushing it up?

qwertplaywert

Tbh I wouldnt believe any of that unless I saw evidence of it first hand, seems just like a desperate measure to confirm the existance of aliens

Dave!

I believe there's life on other planets.

I don't believe that alien life has ever reached earth, or that there is any conspiracy at all. I don't believe anybody has ever been abducted either.

nellyshark

On a side note why do people always believe that aliens are of superior intelligence to humans, maybe we are the most advanced race of species. Just a thought like

5uspect

Well according to the Drake equation it is exceptionally likely that life exists on other planets, we have no idea if that life has any kind of intelligence tho.

qwertplaywert

For all we know we're not the most intelligent on earth, nevermind the universe.

faceman

5uspect wrote:

Well according to the Drake equation it is exceptionally likely that life exists on other planets, we have no idea if that life has any kind of intelligence tho.

simliarily, the odds on winning the lotto are very slim too but someone has to win it...

when scientists talk about looking for ET's, they look for planets/solar systems that have similiar conditions for life like our own. afterall, we have no evidence that life can exist outside of those conditions.

Therefore the odds of finding life shrink even further. However the universe in its glory is bound to have secrets and stuff that we cant even begin to understand yet. I believe there is life out there in some form or another. As to its intelligence? Who knows.

Whether aliens or not have been here or abduct people, again its hard to tell. Some self claimed abductees are whacko's imo, but some give a good story.

I do find it easier to accept that if there was a secret US/UK gov cover up on UFOs, it would understandable if it was to protect us puny humans. As to whether there is one, i doubt it.

5uspect

Personally I can't see the point of such a conspiricy.

Ashla

Degsy wrote:

Ah but do the radish-headed bastards walk amongst us for some dark purpose and have the suits in the government been hushing it up?

Why do you talk so cruel?

A_Fitz

qwertplaywert wrote:

I agree. There may be alien cover ups existant[i dont believe there are] but the OPS post included nothing to do with conspiracys.

Sidenote:Personally, I believe its ridicious NOT to believe in Aliens.All the countless Galaxys, we cant be the only world fit to contain human life, not to mention the fact there would be other orgasisms able to survive in differnt envirorments.

Exactly. Why do people consistently challenge the fact that we MUST be the only intelligent life in Cosmos?

There is so much evidence backing up the existence of ETs, that's it's really a no-brainer to realise and accept that there are other life-forces out there.

banquo

Does it not bother UFO CT's that:

a) the birth of Ufo sightings strongly corresponds with the invention of the aeroplane.
b) most happen in america, the rest in similarly developed countries
c) the happen in remote places, and usually near an air force base

I'm just saying...

Steyr

banquo wrote:

Does it not bother UFO CT's that:

a) the birth of Ufo sightings strongly corresponds with the invention of the aeroplane.
b) most happen in america, the rest in similarly developed countries
c) the happen in remote places, and usually near an air force base

I'm just saying...

And what of the "saucer" like objects drawn in the Pyramids that talk of Gods descending in to put it loosely "vehicles"? I'm just saying..

A_Fitz

banquo wrote:

Does it not bother UFO CT's that:

a) the birth of Ufo sightings strongly corresponds with the invention of the aeroplane.
b) most happen in america, the rest in similarly developed countries
c) the happen in remote places, and usually near an air force base

I'm just saying...

No disrespect to you personally, but your theory is the type usually spouted by complete sceptics, and people who don't even want people to consider that there might be life outside of this planet. And while your points have some validity, in general it's a pretty ill-informed opinion.

Gordon

Steyr wrote:

And what of the "saucer" like objects drawn in the Pyramids that talk of Gods descending in to put it loosely "vehicles"? I'm just saying..

Which objects? Got any links to images?

bonkey

A_Fitz wrote:

Why do people consistently challenge the fact that we MUST be the only intelligent life in Cosmos?

Because its not a fact?

There is so much evidence backing up the existence of ETs,

Very little, if any, of which stands up to critical analysis.

it's really a no-brainer to realise and accept that there are other life-forces out there.

Its a no-brainer to accept that there might/should be other life-forces out there.

Accepting that they are here as well as "out there", on the other hand....thats far from a no-brainer.

dlofnep

Do Aliens exist? Yes.. Wasn't there fossilised bacteria found on some martian meteorite? Technically, that counts as an alien.

Is there "intelligent" life on other planets? You can be damn sure there is. X amount of planets that have sustainable living conditions must be in the millions, if not billions. Are we so naive to think we're the only life in this Galaxy, let alone Universe?

I don't think many people really dispute the fact that life exists elsewhere.. Some would argue that aliens have never visited Earth. That's up for debate.. Personally, I think they have on numerous occasions. The documented evidence and backpeddling of Roswell, the videos and witness reports of the Phoenix lights.. The military attacks of impervious objects above LA..

There hundreds of credible sightings and reports.. Like the former minister of defense for Canada, amongst many others.. We are an insignificant speck in this universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfs1t-2rrOM

Jocksereire

dlofnep wrote:

Do Aliens exist? Yes.. Wasn't there fossilised bacteria found on some martian meteorite?

This is true and evidence that life existed on another planet

A_Fitz

It's funny.....it seems to me that there are more narrow-minded people here who want to run down the opinions of others, than there are open-minded people open to hearing broad-minded thinking.

Strange, for a CT forum, IMO.

Kernel

A_Fitz wrote:

It's funny.....it seems to me that there are more narrow-minded people here who want to run down the opinions of others, than there are open-minded people open to hearing broad-minded thinking.

Strange, for a CT forum, IMO.

Yes, it would discourage CTists from posting in fact. I think a lot of the problem is due to the forum being put in the same sub category as the skeptics forum (imagine if paranormal, for example, was here), and that sadly, mods see conspiracy theories as a joke, and a forum for 'crazy people' - as Cloud himself stated in his recent presentation.

As for aliens existing, yes, I think on the balance of probability they *must* exist. The question of intelligent life, and civilisation, is more difficult to answer with certainty due to the lack of data. I believe there are other intelligent and even more advanced species in the universe. I am also satisfied with the Roswell evidence to suggest that something non-human crashed and was retrieved. Roswell is not inconclusive evidence by any means (the nature of coverups usually ensures that such remaining evidence will be inconclusive), but enough to satisfy me personally.

meglome

dlofnep wrote:

Do Aliens exist? Yes.. Wasn't there fossilised bacteria found on some martian meteorite? Technically, that counts as an alien.

After all the hullabaloo subsided didn't they announce that these were actually natural formations in the rock? Talk about egg on faces.

As for alien life, on the basis of probability there is other life in the universe, how intelligent would be the big question for me. However I would be fairly confident if this intelligent alien life was to arrive on earth they wouldn’t be probing rednecks in the US.

Jocksereire

meglome wrote:

After all the hullabaloo subsided didn't they announce that these were actually natural formations in the rock? Talk about egg on faces.

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is this just not you giving your opinion? are we just to believe what you say? you have to back it up mate

meglome

Jocksereire wrote:

is this just not you giving your opinion? are we just to believe what you say? you have to back it up mate

Very good point indeed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1666053.stm
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/mars_rock_not.html

humanji

A_Fitz wrote:

It's funny.....it seems to me that there are more narrow-minded people here who want to run down the opinions of others, than there are open-minded people open to hearing broad-minded thinking.

Strange, for a CT forum, IMO.

Isn't it funny how CT'ers always call others "narrow-minded", yet they're the ones who refuse to consider any alternatives...

meglome

humanji wrote:

Isn't it funny how CT'ers always call others "narrow-minded", yet they're the ones who refuse to consider any alternatives...

They fail to see the difference between people who'd like to believe if real evidence was available and people who want to believe no matter what. I've said it in here before there's loads of stuff from science fiction i'd dearly love were true but so far there's no evidence to suggest this, it makes for an interesting dream nonetheless.

humanji

Still hankering after those female cyborg sex slaves, eh?

meglome

humanji wrote:

Still hankering after those female cyborg sex slaves, eh?

Is that a problem

Saruman

nellyshark wrote:

On a side note why do people always believe that aliens are of superior intelligence to humans, maybe we are the most advanced race of species. Just a thought like

That would be because the furthest we have got is the moon and we have not been there in decades. Aliens that have come to earth would have to be more intelligent than us. You cant travel faster than the speed of light. If they got here they understand a level of physics far beyond anything we know.

I myself do NOT believe in alien abductions (which is just normal sleep paralysis with a funky dream). I do not believe we have been visited by aliens. I do believe there is other life in the universe though.

The only conspiracy where aliens are concerned is the fact that UFO's and Aliens are convenient ways to sidetrack the general public as to what's really going on in the world. i.e. someone spots a secret military experiment, they can blame it on being a UFO and no one will take it seriously.

Jocksereire

meglome wrote:

Very good point indeed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1666053.stm
http://whyfiles.org/shorties/mars_rock_not.html

Thats more like it. It gets tiresome in here at times with people giving their opinion as fact. Seems like the mars findings are being disputed alright. I still believe there is other life out there somewhere though. Jaysus how mad would it be to make contact eh with some

nyarlothothep

Saruman wrote:

That would be because the furthest we have got is the moon and we have not been there in decades. Aliens that have come to earth would have to be more intelligent than us. You cant travel faster than the speed of light. If they got here they understand a level of physics far beyond anything we know.

I myself do NOT believe in alien abductions (which is just normal sleep paralysis with a funky dream). I do not believe we have been visited by aliens. I do believe there is other life in the universe though.

The only conspiracy where aliens are concerned is the fact that UFO's and Aliens are convenient ways to sidetrack the general public as to what's really going on in the world. i.e. someone spots a secret military experiment, they can blame it on being a UFO and no one will take it seriously.

or just more advanced rather than intelligent, like in the way we're more advanced but none more intelligent than the egyptians or the stone age geeks who designed newgrange.

It would be very very cool if there was a government cover up, but theres no hard evidence to suggest there is. On the other hand it could be very not cool if the aliens didn't share the same social psychology as humans and intended to harvest the planet or destroy it. What would be uber cool would be if an alien space craft crash landed and we could reverse engineer it.

Kernel

nyarlothothep wrote:

It would be very very cool if there was a government cover up, but theres no hard evidence to suggest there is. On the other hand it could be very not cool if the aliens didn't share the same social psychology as humans and intended to harvest the planet or destroy it. What would be uber cool would be if an alien space craft crash landed and we could reverse engineer it.

I think there's enough evidence with the Roswell incident to suggest there may be some level of cover-up regarding the technology. Have you read up much on Roswell?

MooseJam

i'm sure there are aliens but none have ever visited, it's too far

fifth

qwertplaywert wrote:

I agree. There may be alien cover ups existant[i dont believe there are] but the OPS post included nothing to do with conspiracys.

Sidenote:Personally, I believe its ridicious NOT to believe in Aliens.All the countless Galaxys, we cant be the only world fit to contain human life, not to mention the fact there would be other orgasisms able to survive in differnt envirorments.

I am of the same opinion!

oleras

I remember hearing an analagy years ago about alien life forms.

They do visit earth, but the fact that the can means they are so advanced that them trying to explain it to us would be like humans trying to explain the workings of the internal combustian engine to a cockroach.

Puts it into perspective for me.

keen

I myself do believe that there is life outside this plant, wether it's ever visited Earth is debatable.

What annoys me though is when people talk about not finding anywhere that could sustain life and using this an argument against other life forms, we are looking for live through rose tinted glasses, looking for conditions that are suitable for life as we know it eg. oxygen water etc. I believe it is impossible to say yes for sure or no for sure as there could be life out there somwhere so far and distant that we will never be able to find it or understand it.

the_syco

ZOMG! The Bush admitted to aliens! Seemingly they came from a far far away place called "Mexico"...:D

=-=

I stand by my theory: our physics are for our planet only, and some of them physics have since been rewritten... so people in other planets may not need oxygen to live.

Oh, and if a butterfly, human, and a snake could be created by fluke, I don't see why the fluke hasn't happened elsewhere in the bast few billion years.

keen

the_syco wrote: »

ZOMG! The Bush admitted to aliens! Seemingly they came from a far far away place called "Mexico"...:D

=-=

I stand by my theory: our physics are for our planet only, and some of them physics have since been rewritten...

And will be rewritten again in time, as time goes by humans get smart and discover more and more things, only natural the longer your around something the more familar you become of it.

Should get a coppy of the Elegant Universe by Brian Greene.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elegant_Universe

Mahatma coat

anyone else remember em finding a sulphur breathing sometng -kinda more evolved than a bacteria- livin -thrivin even- in the smoke on some of those volcanic ridges that occur in the middle of the oceans?

theres life Jim but not as we know it

biko

Leonitos wrote: »

Well thats the big quesion is there life outside our own galaxy

Well, we are one planet circling one of 200 billion stars in this galaxy.
There are 125 billion galaxies in the universe.

What are the chances that another planet around one of those stars in one of those galaxies has life? Extremely high I'd say.

What's 125 billion times 200 billion?
2.5 × 1022 acc to google

DublinWriter

A_Fitz wrote: »

Exactly. Why do people consistently challenge the fact that we MUST be the only intelligent life in Cosmos?

Exactly. Go google Drake's equation, a scientifically respected argument for the existence of extra-terrestrial life.

As for the the conspiracy theries? Many abound, most firmly in the domain of the tinfoil-hat brigade.

However, check out something called 'Project Disclosure'. I was really impressed by this recently as a genuine attempt to bring in credible whistle-blowers to tell their stories. Many are ex US-Servicemen ranging in rank right up to senior Commissioned Officers.

biko

Carl Sagan Explains the Drake Equation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ztl8CG3Sys

To quote Monty Python:

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

So, basically, the universe is big. Really frickin' big. And out of those other galaxies, are we really to believe that the Earth is the one and only planet that is able to sustain life?

CHD

we dont even know what lives in our deepest oceans how can we say theres no life out there

Saruman

I would say, as im sure i have said before... there is more than likely life out there ... hell Mars looks like it once had water and possibly a rich atmosphere. There may have been life there once upon a time, maybe its orbit changed or it just got too far from the sun as i believe the planets are moving further from the sun? Mars might have been closer to our position at that time.

Are there not life forms on earth that Do not live off oxygen at all? Im sure i have heard of fungi or bacteria etc that live in pockets of Co2 or possibly other gas like methane etc... Thats possibly why Nasa are interested in sending people in to Caves on earth.

What i do NOT believe is that Aliens are visiting or that they are abducting people.
I mean, If they come here in ships and want people to know about them, then we would know... it would not take much to give total proof... likewise if they do not want us to know, then moving slowly through the sky and flashing all kinds of flashing lights at us is not the most stealthy approach i can think of

all you really have to do is some digging and you will see there is defenitely something going on. All you have to do is look at the disclosure project and there are over 200 witnesses from either the Navi Nasa and the Airforce swearing an oath that they do exsist and that that have had some sort of dealing with ET's .

Saruman

Eh what? disclosure project??? If i google that, i get a "non profit" organisation webpage that seems to be designed to get you to "buy" a book to explain things to you? If was able to make a crap load of money with alien stories i might make some up and write a book too.

Sorry but i would need some actual evidence other than a website wanting me to buy a book and a bunch of people "swearing an oath" they saw an Alien.
For instance last night i watched "the best evidence of aliens ever 2" with Jonathan Frakes (poor guy). I have to say, with the exception of some big square/angular object... most of it was not only obviously fake.. but suggested it was fake on the show even.

Like the big disk by the twin towers...
They showed Nasa video with all kinds of movement.. so much so that it looked like hundreds of flying saucers etc.. pretty much an invasion going on.. i do not recall being invaded. What amazed me was these nasa video's. like most video's were grainy and full of video artifacts... then a few mins later they showed a "normal" nasa video in full crystal clarity showing nothing but the earth, space and the outside of the ship.
How many UFO's are dust caught with nightvision on the camcorder o wonder?

Mahatma coat

Deleted User wrote: »

To quote Monty Python:

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

So, basically, the universe is big. Really frickin' big. And out of those other galaxies, are we really to believe that the Earth is the one and only planet that is able to sustain life?

..... and lets pray to God theres inteligent life somewhere out in space,

cos thers buger all down here on Earth.

Trev M

meglome wrote: »

Is that a problem

humanji wrote: »

Still hankering after those female cyborg sex slaves, eh?

Good news brothers

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5414105.html

Saruman

Saruman wrote: »

Eh what? disclosure project??? If i google that, i get a "non profit" organisation webpage that seems to be designed to get you to "buy" a book to explain things to you? If was able to make a crap load of money with alien stories i might make some up and write a book too.

Sorry but i would need some actual evidence other than a website wanting me to buy a book and a bunch of people "swearing an oath" they saw an Alien.

Well if you want somthing go look for it. Dig deep enough you might find somthing. Not documentaries from Discovery channel or Fox. Look for hard evidence. Keep an open mind be skeptical, nobody is going to put an alien in your hands.

here is the full disclosure project in full. If you want evidence watch all of this ......

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218&q=disclosure+project&total=696&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


Also look up Michael D Salla PHD , try and get his paper on the Eisenhower meeting.

then look at this , its a very good documentary, very up to date ........

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5980990221766439646&q=greatest+story+never+told&total=1395&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


There is a good start, basically there is something going on weather or not its aliens is another story.