Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2007/2008

lordgoat

sonko got a little touch both times, the only good things he managed to do in the game. Neither of his tackles were penalties.

Jesus Wept

mike65 wrote: »

I can only hope for failure of Tuesday, it might be the difference between still having a chance at the title and not. If every CL game means fielding weakened teams in odd formations then better off out of it.

The CL means nothing until the PL is won again.

Mike.

WoW. Did someone spike the water cooler here yesterday?
I understand the league means more to you, but to hope for failure and state that the European Cup means nothing until the league is won again?

Crazy talk. I find it a bit disgusting too, hoping for failure for the team, under any circumstances

Tusky wrote: »

Doom & Gloom brigade are back it seems. Result today was disappointing but lets not over react. The season is not over, its our first league defeat.

Lets not sell half our team just yet :rolleyes:

Indeed. Incredibly reactionary around here.

Guy:Incognito

The-Rigger wrote: »

WoW. Did someone spike the water cooler here yesterday?
I understand the league means more to you, but to hope for failure and state that the European Cup means nothing until the league is won again?

Crazy talk. I find it a bit disgusting too, hoping for failure for the team, under any circumstances.

Well the choice is a good cl run over a shot at the league, because being in the cl means more games like yesterday.

mike65

If Liverpool have a CL quarter-final second leg tie 3 days after playing Arsenal on 5th April which game do you think Rafa will give his greater attention to?.

Mike.

mada999

Rafa changed players and he changed the formation which caused us to lose the game....

I reckon sissoko, kuyt, voronin, riise and Crou have to go, they are brutal.. wouldnt get into UTD's, Arsenal's or Chelsea's team...

I think we need another top class striker and 2 top class wingers to be even thinking of winning the premiership....

mike65

We have top class wingers, none of them started! That game was Liverpools to loose.

Mike.

An Citeog

mike65 wrote: »

We have top class wingers, none of them started! That game was Liverpools to loose.

Mike.

Who? Kewell has been injured for the last couple of years but has proved to be good when he gets a run of games. What other top class winger do Liverpool have?

mike65

Okay you may not rate Yossi or Babel on the right but had either started on the right and Kewell on the left with Gerrard and Masch in the middle with Torres/Crouch up front all the ref mistakes in the world would'nt have stopped Liverpool getting a result.

When he announced the line-up to the sqaud I bet some hearts sank, that would'nt have helped in itself, add the nonsense formation, the "two eyes on Marseille" subs. Would anyone be suprised that Liverpool crashed and burned? Pity was Man Utd is next Sunday he might have taken that game seriously if it had been yesterday and let the Marseille game look after itself.

Mike.

Tusky

Carragher has actually been pretty poor this season compared with his usual great form. Too much 'last ditch' defending. Hes given away three or four penalties thus far and is on 4 yellow cards. I didnt think he needed to take that guy out (regardless of it being inside or outside the box) for the penalty yesterday.

ButcherOfNog

Didn't see the game, just saw highlights, looked like pool were a tad unlucky.

It's the first defeat of the season, calm down.

IrishMike

Tusky wrote: »

Carragher has actually been pretty poor this season compared with his usual great form. Too much 'last ditch' defending. Hes given away three or four penalties thus far and is on 4 yellow cards. I didnt think he needed to take that guy out (regardless of it being inside or outside the box) for the penalty yesterday.

In fairness the reason for most of that last ditch defending is trying to cover for Hyppias lack of pace.
Wouldnt have happened if agger was fit

Jesus Wept

mada999 wrote: »

Rafa changed players and he changed the formation which caused us to lose the game....

I reckon sissoko, kuyt, voronin, riise and Crou have to go, they are brutal.. wouldnt get into UTD's, Arsenal's or Chelsea's team...

I think we need another top class striker and 2 top class wingers to be even thinking of winning the premiership....

I can't understand Crouch being on that list.

In recent memory, we just don't look effective until we stretch the opposition. When we play all through the middle with no wide men we go nowhere.

jesus_thats_gre

lordgoat wrote: »

sonko got a little touch both times, the only good things he managed to do in the game. Neither of his tackles were penalties.

I noticed the commentators say this alright and subsequently watched each replay multiple time but was unable to see any deviation in the balls path that would indicate the smallest of touches. I was even watching the replays in HD.

lordgoat

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I noticed the commentators say this alright and subsequently watched each replay multiple time but was unable to see any deviation in the balls path that would indicate the smallest of touches. I was even watching the replays in HD.

There were touches. Faint, small but there nonetheless. I was watching the game with 2 liverpool fans and they agreed with the decisions. There was a push in the first half that prob was a pen, but it's rare they are given.

I'd be more pissed off at the lack of tracking by gerrard than carraghers last ditch tackle. Watching the replays he's standing watching the runner go past him. Plus i don't know what he was complaining about after he was booked either. These are the games that gerrard cost liverpool most.

And yes he scored and hit the cross bar, but tracking back and keeping a cool head are much more easy to do.

PHB

Carragher has actually been pretty poor this season compared with his usual great form. Too much 'last ditch' defending. Hes given away three or four penalties thus far and is on 4 yellow cards. I didnt think he needed to take that guy out (regardless of it being inside or outside the box) for the penalty yesterday.

I don't think this is his fault to be honest. It's due to two things. First off, Liverpool are much more offensive in their style this year, they play a wider more streched game. As such, Carragher is gona be exposed more, it's just natural. Second, he's playing next to Hyypia who is very slow. That means he has to deal with certain types of balls, balls Agger normally would have dealt with. As such, he's doing stuff he's not really suited to doing.

whatawaster

at least arsenal are losing. hopefully middlesbrough will hold on. Yesterday wasn't a good performance but it's far from a disaster. On another day we could have won the game, we had enough chances.

Guy:Incognito

whatawaster wrote: »

at least arsenal are losing. hopefully middlesbrough will hold on. Yesterday wasn't a good performance but it's far from a disaster. On another day we could have won the game, we had enough chances.

"another day" doesnt matter worth a ****. Yesterday wasnt another day it was yesterday and we lost. If/when we dont win the league will you be happy looking back on the season and saying "jesus, another day we'd have got 3 points there, there, there and there, then won the league" ? It's up top the players and manager to do their bit to make sure we dotn have to look at "another day" scenarios.

sweetie

the arse are losing 2 - nil now

Ruskie4Rent

PHB wrote: »

I don't think this is his fault to be honest. It's due to two things. First off, Liverpool are much more offensive in their style this year, they play a wider more streched game. As such, Carragher is gona be exposed more, it's just natural. Second, he's playing next to Hyypia who is very slow. That means he has to deal with certain types of balls, balls Agger normally would have dealt with. As such, he's doing stuff he's not really suited to doing.

I think he has always been more of a last ditch defender that's sometimes a bit rash with his tackleing. It's alot more noticeable with agger gone and he's having to make more of these challanges.

Chardee MacDennis

aresenal to lose would help make this weekend a bit more paletable - but still losing our unbeaten record to Reading (who have been on a poor run) is just annoying.

really need a big week from the boys now! can't wait for Tuesday now.

Marseille Team:

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Reina
Arbeloa-Carra-Hyypia-Riise

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Masch---Gerrard
Benayoun

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Babel

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Torres--Kuyt

I would really expect to see Insua on the bench and used if we take the lead, just to start giving him some more experience and see if he can permanently take the step up to replace a very off form riise

United Team

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Reina
Finnan-Carra-Hyypia-Arbeloa

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Masch---Lucas
Benayoun---Gerrard---Kewell

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Torres

lordgoat

sweetie wrote: »

the arse are losing 2 - nil now

Best to look after your own games first.

Peyton Manning

lordgoat wrote: »

Best to look after your own games first.

Liverpool lost and the chap is happy that their rivals havent gained anymore ground on them, whats the problem with that?

PHB

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Reina
Finnan-Carra-Hyypia-Arbeloa

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Masch---Lucas
Benayoun---Gerrard---Kewell

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Torres

I think that's a very offensive formation to go for against United. Would be quite surprised by it. I'd expect something like this

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Reina

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Finnan-Carra-Hyypia-Arbeloa-

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Masch---Sissoko

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Kuyt

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Gerrard----Kewell-

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Torres

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Rafa will try to keep the game very very tight, and rely on some magic up front from Gerrard and Torres. It's how he normally plays these games.

Chardee MacDennis

yeh to be honest i wasnt sure about benny, think he could be too lightweight for the united game dunno about Kuyt there esp if he plays on tuesday would have been pennant if he wasnt injured.

we are at home though and if we actually have aspirations of winning the league we have to come at united from the start so i wouldnt be surprised with an attacking line up.

but if momo plays i'll lose my mind. cant take another 90mins watching him pass to no one...

lordgoat

Archimedes wrote: »

Liverpool lost and the chap is happy that their rivals havent gained anymore ground on them, whats the problem with that?

My point is, arsenal losing should not be used to lessen the result. That's all. If they'd won it wouldn't be any worse. If you look after your own results it doesn't matter what other teams do.

PHB

Indeed, I'm sure Rafa would rather play Alonso, but if the choice is between Lucas and Momo as it seems to be, Lucas is quite the risk.

Chardee MacDennis

lordgoat wrote: »

My point is, arsenal losing should not be used to lessen the result. That's all. If they'd won it wouldn't be any worse. If you look after your own results it doesn't matter what other teams do.

we hardly have any effect on the result. it's not as if Rafa came out and said well Arsenal lost so it's all ok, stop talking BS...

PHB wrote: »

Indeed, I'm sure Rafa would rather play Alonso, but if the choice is between Lucas and Momo as it seems to be, Lucas is quite the risk.

well i think if sissoko does start it says a lot about our set up. i dont think it is a risk really but it is a step up for him. would prefer alonso to be back though!

lordgoat

Call_me_al wrote: »

we hardly have any effect on the result. it's not as if Rafa came out and said well Arsenal lost so it's all ok, stop talking BS...

Go back and have a read at what was said. If there's any big words ask someone.

My point is the arsenal match shouldn't matter, and some posters have said that the Arsenal resulst makes the liverpool one a bit better to handle.

PHB

I don't mean a risk in the sense of his talent, just in how Liverpool would set out the game. Rafa likes to make these games extremely tight, and he normally doesn't like to play open games against the top teams. Sissoko would be much better at breaking up United's play than Lucas. Playing Lucas would make Liverpool imo a much better footballing team, but make them more open to getting beaten, which I don't think Rafa would like.

Chardee MacDennis

lordgoat wrote: »

Go back and have a read at what was said. If there's any big words ask someone.

My point is the arsenal match shouldn't matter, and some posters have said that the Arsenal resulst makes the liverpool one a bit better to handle.

i didnt ask you to explain your point again, i understand it and think it is still rubbish.

now i shall explain my point to you and i'll try and be a little more patronising. of course it makes our loss a little better, it means the top of the league is still the same distance away. of course a win would have been better but we did lose there is nothing we can do about that now but arsenal losing means it isnt going to be as difficult to catch them.

we cant effect the result, what difference does it make what we talk about it doesnt effect the team performances.

oh and just in case:

Patronising: characteristic of those who treat others with condescension

PHB wrote:

I don't mean a risk in the sense of his talent, just in how Liverpool would set out the game. Rafa likes to make these games extremely tight, and he normally doesn't like to play open games against the top teams. Sissoko would be much better at breaking up United's play than Lucas. Playing Lucas would make Liverpool imo a much better footballing team, but make them more open to getting beaten, which I don't think Rafa would like.

i suppose i would agree with that then...

Guy:Incognito

PHB wrote: »

Indeed, I'm sure Rafa would rather play Alonso, but if the choice is between Lucas and Momo as it seems to be, Lucas is quite the risk.

Whereas theres no risk with Sissoko. You know he'll be ****. At least he's consistant.

PHB wrote: »

Sissoko would be much better at breaking up United's players than Lucas. .

Fixed that for you.

Dub13

Not sure if this has been posted already,I think this is very sad.

Link

Chardee MacDennis

Dub13 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted already,I think this is very sad.

Link

lol very good, like the free season ticket when you buy a phone. not a small club, sure!

Peyton Manning

^Why the Liverpool forum though?

It is very petty though, is it an official DVD or just some blokes recording?

Guy:Incognito

Jesus they dont waste time do they?

Did they ever bring out the Arsenal game from the last couple of games in 2005 ?:)


Surely Liverpool 6-0 Derby is only around the corner, what with Christmas almost upon us.:D I'd hang my head in shame.

Guy:Incognito

Archimedes wrote: »

^Why the Liverpool forum though?

Is there a better place to slag your closest rivals? We could put it in the Everton thread, but no one reads that.

lordgoat

Call_me_al wrote: »

now i shall explain my point to you and i'll try and be a little more patronising. of course it makes our loss a little better, it means the top of the league is still the same distance away. of course a win would have been better but we did lose there is nothing we can do about that now but arsenal losing means it isnt going to be as difficult to catch them.

we cant effect the result, what difference does it make what we talk about it doesnt effect the team performances.

Sure maybe if the teams all above ye simply lost the remainder of their games wouldn't that be a much more simple way to comtemplate things? Probably more realisitic as well...

Peyton Manning

Stekelly wrote: »

Is there a better place to slag your closest rivals? We could put it in the Everton thread, but no one reads that.

Zing

Chardee MacDennis

lordgoat wrote: »

Sure maybe if the teams all above ye simply lost the remainder of their games wouldn't that be a much more simple way to comtemplate things? Probably more realisitic as well...

sigh...

Dub13

Stekelly wrote: »

Is there a better place to slag your closest rivals? We could put it in the Everton thread, but no one reads that.

:D

We could put it in the Everton thread but one of the 3 people who read it could report the post and we would be risking a ban.

mike65

Well thank fupp Boro can stop Arsenal! While its not consolation as such it tightens up the top end again. City lost, and as I type Blackburn loosing so it could have been worse.

Mike.

sweetie

lordgoat wrote: »

Best to look after your own games first.

jaysus, get over yourself

Sizzler

Has anybody questioned Riise's desire to get back for the 3rd goal last night The more I see it the more suspect it looks, if he kept going surely he had a chance to slide in and prevent the shot? It wasnt as if the Reading lad thumped it, he rolled it in :eek:

Guy:Incognito

Sizzler wrote: »

Has anybody questioned Riise's desire to get back for the 3rd goal last night The more I see it the more suspect it looks, if he kept going surely he had a chance to slide in and prevent the shot? It wasnt as if the Reading lad thumped it, he rolled it in :eek:

I talked about it further up. It wasnt his man to chase in the first place, someone else lets him go and Riise passed by one or two liverpool players when he starts running. Cant really fault him as he was the only one bothered enough to run in the first place. He just wasnt quick enough. Those ones often look like you could jst slide in a block it.

An Citeog

Stekelly wrote: »

I talked about it further up. It wasnt his man to chase in the first place, someone else lets him go and Riise passed by one or two liverpool players when he starts running. Cant really fault him as he was the only one bothered enough to run in the first place. He just wasnt quick enough. Those ones often look like you could jst slide in a block it.

I don't think anyone expected Harper to take it around Reina, I know I didn't. It was a great finish in the end, really composed. The Liverpool defence just left a big wide gap and Reading punished them for it. I'm pretty sure it was Doyle who dragged the centre half (Carragher?) out of position.

jesus_thats_gre

lordgoat wrote: »

There were touches. Faint, small but there nonetheless. I was watching the game with 2 liverpool fans and they agreed with the decisions. There was a push in the first half that prob was a pen, but it's rare they are given..

Have since watched the incidents again and I am not seeing anything that could be described as contact to be honest.

Am not saying that there wasn't contact but I am curious as how the referee or assistant ref seen it if I can't see it after watching them about 10 times and you are saying it was the faintest of touches.

But sure meh, tis done now.

whatawaster

Sizzler wrote: »

Has anybody questioned Riise's desire to get back for the 3rd goal last night The more I see it the more suspect it looks, if he kept going surely he had a chance to slide in and prevent the shot? It wasnt as if the Reading lad thumped it, he rolled it in :eek:

I wouldn't question his desire, but is it just me or did Riise used to have decent pace? He looked so leaden footed.

Guy:Incognito

whatawaster wrote: »

I wouldn't question his desire, but is it just me or did Riise used to have decent pace? He looked so leaden footed.

I reckon Harper is just quick tbh.

5starpool

If we beat Utd next weekend and Arse don't beat Chelsea, it will be ridiculously close at the top. Here's hoping it will happen, although it is a biggish if. African Nations cup then will change things around again for Arse and Chelsea.

I hate to say it but it is really looking like Utd are definitely favs for the title now, even though they may well have been anyhow, all things considered. As this weekend showed though, a lot of things can change very quickly.

Jazzy

lordgoat wrote: »

Sure maybe if the teams all above ye simply lost the remainder of their games wouldn't that be a much more simple way to comtemplate things? Probably more realisitic as well...

YEAH! Liverpool are sh1te! we should all deffo moan about the reading game for the next week and not try and think of one positive thing that happend over the weekend.
stupid liverpool. they're so stupid