Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2007/2008

zing · 22-02-2008 10:50pm

Odd alright but it's still available.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IXgUebtDQ

still works for me

_blank_ · 22-02-2008 11:07pm

mike65 wrote: »

Cheers DesF I knew the face alright, he is in fact alive.

You sure, it might just be a continuity error

leninbenjamin wrote: »

summary anybody?

The Dubai sheik is great.
The Dubai sheik is great.
The Dubai sheik is great.
The Dubai sheik is great.
The Dubai sheik is great.
for about ten minutes

mike65 · 22-02-2008 11:56pm

If DIC were to buy Liverpool I wonder how it would sit with the Socialist Scouse Brotherhood on RAWK. Being a free-market bastard I would'nt have any major political qualms but they should be appalled at the idea.

Mike.

Kimbot · 23-02-2008 2:05am

DIC do have a vision with everything they own. If they buy then LFC is in for a treat!!

leninbenjamin · 23-02-2008 2:34am

jonny24ie wrote: »

If they buy then LFC is in for a treat!!

I have no idea why anyone would think DIC would be better than the current crop. Hick's and Gillet had a "vision" (i.e. business plan). They are investors like any other, and they will milk the club for all it's worth.

the grass is always greener...

Kimbot · 23-02-2008 2:38am

Well DIC has no trouble investing to get the best money they can out of it. If they bought a number of high calibre players at a young age then thats an investment. Over time if you don't have to buy many players then your profit margins are higher. DIC have the money to do this, G&H don't. THey have borrowed enough money, if they keep borrowing then LFC will be in trouble.

Mr Alan · 23-02-2008 3:12am

Plus theres the fact that DIC want success in everything they do. they want to be "the best". be it horses,hotels,schools,islands,beaches or football clubs, they want the best.

They want this to increase their standing on the world stage, to do good for their image. Hicks and gillette couldnt give a ****e about any of that and only want to make $$$ as much as possible, as quickley as possible.

Hicks is on record as saying that to make a club a financial success, a club does not have to be successful on the pitch.

DeadSkin · 23-02-2008 11:09am

RAFA REVEALS SUPPORT FROM HICKS

My relationship with Tom Hicks is good and I don't have any problems because I'm professional.

Is this a little dig at Gillett?

PHB · 23-02-2008 12:39pm

Lads, DIC want to make money. That's it. They are the 'best' at doing that, in that they are very successful, but then again, so are G&H.

Ultimately DIC are going to want to raise ticket prices, slash transfer fees, etc. etc. just like the Glaziers have done at United. The only advantage to them over G&H is that the club won't be in debt, but the practical effects of taking all the profits out of the club will be the same.
DIC are better for two reasons
They can afford to build the stadium which is essential for long-term growth
They can afford to take the club out of debt, which reduces the risk upon the club

Ultimately however they are a business, and will act as such. Even when they sell off, which is their plan, unless you get bought by a new owner who isn't as business focused, the situation will stay the same. Just hope that the club floats, and you can start to try takeover. That's the sad reality of business with football clubs today.

p.s. How is the fan buyout thing going?

el rabitos · 23-02-2008 12:59pm

DeadSkin wrote: »

RAFA REVEALS SUPPORT FROM HICKS

Is this a little dig at Gillett?

i once heard rafa in an interview say he liked oranges, maybe its just me, but what i really think he was trying to say was he doesnt like apples.

mike65 · 23-02-2008 1:04pm

Positively gnomic!

Mike.

~Rebel~ · 23-02-2008 1:08pm

mike65 wrote:

Positively gnomic!

Mike.

gnomic?

Tusky · 23-02-2008 1:56pm

PHB wrote: »

Lads, DIC want to make money. That's it. They are the 'best' at doing that, in that they are very successful, but then again, so are G&H.

Ultimately DIC are going to want to raise ticket prices, slash transfer fees, etc. etc. just like the Glaziers have done at United. The only advantage to them over G&H is that the club won't be in debt, but the practical effects of taking all the profits out of the club will be the same.
DIC are better for two reasons
They can afford to build the stadium which is essential for long-term growth
They can afford to take the club out of debt, which reduces the risk upon the club

Ultimately however they are a business, and will act as such. Even when they sell off, which is their plan, unless you get bought by a new owner who isn't as business focused, the situation will stay the same. Just hope that the club floats, and you can start to try takeover. That's the sad reality of business with football clubs today.

p.s. How is the fan buyout thing going?

I agree to a point. I feel that more transfer fees would be given by DIC though. Not an open cheque book like Abramovic gave Mouriniho but more than the Yanks have been supplying. The Yanks have been taking out loans every time we buy a player...:eek:

PHB · 23-02-2008 2:04pm

Maybe. United's net spend has been about 10 million a year since the Glaziers took over.
Liverpools net spend over the last couple of years has been 15 mil, 17 mil, 20 mil, 33 mil.
I really can't see the Yanks increasing that. The difference is that Rafa is in a better position to be able to spend it all on big players, as the squad is much deeper now. However I wouldn't expect a huge increase in transfer funds, if anything, there was an element of appeasement in G&H's approach when they tookover the club, and a high initial net spend could have been part of that.

mike65 · 23-02-2008 2:10pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

gnomic?

gnomic [noh‐mik], characterized by the expression of popular wisdom in the condensed form of proverbs or aphorisms, also known as gnomes. The term was first used of the ‘Gnomic Poets’ of 6th‐century Greece, although there are older traditions of gnomic writing in Chinese, Egyptian, and other cultures; the Hebrew book of Proverbs is a well‐known collection. The term is often extended to later writings in which moral truths are presented in maxims or aphorisms. See also sententia.

We don't have enough 6th century Greek literary stylings on this thread

Mike.

mike65 · 23-02-2008 2:23pm

Defensive crisis for today, Agger not ready, Carra suspended, Skrtel not ready. So Hyypia and Arbeloa (or Hobbs maybe?)

Reina
Finnan-Arbeloa-Hyypia-Aurelio
Pennant-Gerrard-Masch-Riise

Torres-Kuyt

Is my guess.

Mike.

Tusky · 23-02-2008 2:25pm

mike65 wrote: »

Defensive crisis for today, Agger not ready, Carra suspended, Skrtel not ready. So Hyypia and Arbeloa (or Hobbs maybe?)
Reina
Finnan-Arbeloa-Hyypia-Aurelio
Pennant-Gerrard-Masch-Riise
Torres-Kuyt

Is my guess.

Mike.

I HATE Riise on the left wing. Please god no. Benayoun or Babel.

el rabitos · 23-02-2008 2:26pm

hobbs was loaned out

mike65 · 23-02-2008 2:36pm

What? Not sure how clever that was. Oh well then Arbeloa it is unless Agger is risked which would be foolish in my book.

Mike.

leninbenjamin · 23-02-2008 2:44pm

Tusky wrote: »

I feel that more transfer fees would be given by DIC though.

that's the crux of the matter though. at the end of the day, you (and everyone else) as the fans have no clear insight into the respective business plans, so you're only guessing. and by and large football fans as a collective group tend to get their guesses very wrong (United being one example). If I were a fan of pool i would be very very wary of any takeover. not because i don't believe they can improve the club but rather I feel in general fans should not blindly assume faith in any proposed investor. To do so just gives them the room to do whatever the hell they want with a club, be it good or bad. Ultimately i feel the fans, by withholding support can steer the direction of a club a lot better than by giving support.

Tusky · 23-02-2008 3:08pm

Official Lineup. Alonso not even on the bench. Same team that played Inter Milan so presume its this.

Reina

Finnan--Arbeloa--Hyypia--Aurelio

Lucas--Masch

---Kuyt

Gerrard

Babel

Torres

Subs : Martin, Crouch, Benayoun, Riise, Skrtle

herbieflowers · 23-02-2008 3:09pm

ah sure Liverpool fans would put their blind faith in any takeover, such has been their dismal inconsistenccy on the pitch over the past few seasons!

DeadSkin · 23-02-2008 3:11pm

Arbeloa the only change[forced], no Alonso on bench and not a gnome in sight

Tusky · 23-02-2008 3:22pm

Were playing at home..I really dont think we should be playing with two holding midfielder and a striker on the wing. Blah, wait and see I suppose as it could be 4-3-3

Reina

Finnan---Arbeloa--Hyypia---Aurelio

Masch--Lucas

Gerrard

Kuyt

Babel

Torres

Daemonic · 23-02-2008 3:37pm

Tusky wrote: »

Were playing at home..I really dont think we should be playing with two holding midfielder and a striker on the wing. Blah, wait and see I suppose as it could be 4-3-3
Reina

Finnan---Arbeloa--Hyypia---Aurelio
Masch--Lucas
Gerrard
Kuyt
Babel
Torres

With that CB pairing it probably makes sense to play Masch and Lucas.

Tusky · 23-02-2008 4:00pm

This is on Setanta Ireland even thought it wasn't listed on website!

Unearthly · 23-02-2008 4:06pm

Tusky wrote: »

This is on Setanta Ireland even thought it wasn't listed on website!

You were probably viewing the UK website;)

Jesus Wept · 23-02-2008 4:08pm

ffs

Davei141 · 23-02-2008 4:08pm

Awful defending. 1-0 boro

Guy:Incognito · 23-02-2008 4:10pm

Yay for our usual **** marking from set pieces.

Unearthly · 23-02-2008 4:11pm

That was literally pathetic : \

Guy:Incognito · 23-02-2008 4:16pm

Why the hell does Fairclough kep going on about Kuyt taking so long to and not putting the ball across a few min sabck. If he'd have just lumped the ball into the box one of the 6 boro players would have been on to it. Even if he hit a Liverpool head the 3 players were on the edge of the box and no chance of scoring. I think he's watching Andy Gray for commentating tips.

Jesus , was getting worried Rochemback was about to open up for a shot on the edge of the box (till super dirk(tm) appeared:D)

event · 23-02-2008 4:19pm

good chance there for kuyt, great run by babel

~Rebel~ · 23-02-2008 4:23pm

this is really not pretty.

what happened to the tempo and decent passing of tuesday?

babel looking lively again at least.

Jesus Wept · 23-02-2008 4:27pm

Torres

Davei141 · 23-02-2008 4:27pm

Goal on a plate good finish though! 1-1 Torres

Jesus Wept · 23-02-2008 4:28pm

The-Rigger wrote: »

Torres

a lot.

Raskolnikov · 23-02-2008 4:28pm

I can't understand why you're all raving about Babel. His passing is terrible and he's constantly running into players. Highly overrated player.

~Rebel~ · 23-02-2008 4:29pm

torres = my hero

Davei141 · 23-02-2008 4:30pm

Torres You Beauty! 2-1!

el rabitos · 23-02-2008 4:30pm

pool suck, torres rules

PHB · 23-02-2008 4:31pm

Babel is young, give him time. Should be a pretty good player I think.

Daemonic · 23-02-2008 4:31pm

Torres you f***ing legend.:D

~Rebel~ · 23-02-2008 4:32pm

on for a 5 min hattrick?

thought babels looked one of our best players so far today

PiE · 23-02-2008 4:33pm

That's not exactly saying much though is it?

Guy:Incognito · 23-02-2008 4:33pm

2 super finishes from Torres. Did really well with the first,could have went down and let Dirk have the tap in for his week long hat-trick.

Guy:Incognito · 23-02-2008 4:34pm

FFS disallowed or not, crap marking again.

All he had to do was head it in instead of cheating. Is Arbeloa going missing or what?

Guy:Incognito · 23-02-2008 4:35pm

PHB wrote: »

From the BBC:

Thats not right. It's not 20 league goals because he hasnt got that so it's overall. Did Gerrard not get 20 in all comps a couple of seasons back.

PHB · 23-02-2008 4:35pm

From the BBC:

1532: Fernando Torres reaches 20 goals with those two quickfire strikes - the first Liverpool player to reach that mark since Michael Owen.

Jesus Wept · 23-02-2008 4:35pm

Good decision

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