Liverpool Rumours And General Discussion 2007/2008

Mr Alan

Doubt it tbh, if i was to "be all over it" everytime Ferguson threw a hissy fit and got the media involved i'd be constantly busy....as i said in my post, i am not doubting it is an issue, but i dont think its MASSIVE.

According to Balleague (sp?) Rafa wants to sell two players and get in two players, he wants to get the ball rolling now, the yanks wanna wait till after the manc game, i am starting to side with Rafa on this if that is the case.

Nunu

Mr Alan wrote: »

Dont think this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out.

But it definately is something that needs to be addressed.

I can see where both Rafa and the Yanks are coming from, and both have points tbh, Rafa should not be airing his grievances in public, but similarly, it is not acceptable that Rafa have to wait till 16th Decemeber to discuss potential new signings with the club owners, although the issue supposedly seems to be that Rafa wants to let players go and that the owners want to discuss it with him before he does, as opposed to the money that Rafa may or may not have.

The owners want Rafa to go through the official channels, ie. parry, but rafa thinks he is incompetent and wants to deal directly with the lads, who are unwilling to meet until they are over on the 16th. This situation is not right, and Rafa is dead right to be pissed off.

Anyway, as i said originally, not as big a deal as a lot of people are making out. Clear the air talks between all parties involved and we can get back to business as usual.

Now off i go to vote for rafa in the "greatest manager in the world" poll

Moyes - i'm sure the everton fans will love him for his little dig, but tbh, he was probably up all night planning it and still didnt quote the line properly?! Maybe he should just concentrate on managing his small club, or going to work in a supermarket or something. Bitter clown.http://www.the-spine.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/everton2.jpg

Touchy!:D

Mr Alan

wat can i say, bad day at the office!

I actually dont mind moyes but he down in my estimation with this ****.

Bitter, end of story.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

According to Balleague (sp?) Rafa wants to sell two players and get in two players, he wants to get the ball rolling now, the yanks wanna wait till after the manc game, i am starting to side with Rafa on this if that is the case.

Source ? Link ?

Wonder who the two players are...Carson, Sissoko, Crouch or Riise Id say.

Mr Alan

he was on spanish radio last night according to a spanish fan on another site.

i think its Sissoko and Riise/Crouch, Carson aint due back at anfield till next season so i reckon they mean two on top of the Carson deal.

Villain

Villa were rumoured to have bid for Riise.

Mr Alan

they can have him!

Kimbot

Rafa likes to get his players bids in early etc so that is why he is annoyed. If he has to wait until closer the window more interest may come for these players and the prices rises so he doesn't want that happening me thinks.

Dirk Gently

Mr Alan wrote: »

i think its Sissoko and Riise/Crouch, Carson aint due back at anfield till next season so i reckon they mean two on top of the Carson deal.

I wouldn't be too keen on getting rid of crouchino just yet. I know he's not getting as many games as he would like and there is some tension but I'd rathar we held onto him all the same. He's a different option and a pain in the arse for defenders to deal with. He finds the goal more often than kuyt too. (although some defenders find the net more often than kyut as well).

Thanx 4 The Fish

I can see rafas thinking but I wish he would just keep it to himself...

He is a professional ffs.

Mr Alan

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

He finds the goal more often than kuyt too. (although some defenders find the net more often than kyut as well).

Ya know Kuyt and Berbatovs goal scoring records are the same!? lay off Kuyt, he had a mare against blackburn but he is an excellent player

Zapp Brannigan

Wouldn't mind overly much if Crouch was sold off in January and a left/right winger brought in to replace him. It'll let Babel play in his best position, striker.

redzerdrog

really hope he doesnt sell crouch he ia a great option to have and MAYBE even the best partner for torres. crouch was playing along side him when he scored his hatrick against Reading after all.

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

Ya know Kuyt and Berbatovs goal scoring records are the same!? lay off Kuyt, he had a mare against blackburn but he is an excellent player

Kuyt had an ok season last season but it was hardly spectacular. I was hoping he would start this season with a bang but he has done the opposite. Hes there to score goals and hes just not doing it.

13 goals from 44 games last season. 5 goals (only 3 from open play) from 14 this season. Just not good enough for a striker playing the majority of games for a team that has title aspirations. Its as simple as that. I like the guy though, hope he can turn it around.

Mr Alan wrote: »

he was on spanish radio last night according to a spanish fan on another site.

i think its Sissoko and Riise/Crouch, Carson aint due back at anfield till next season so i reckon they mean two on top of the Carson deal.

Id be happy if we sold Riise & Sissoko, tied up Mascherano and brought in a versatile defender who can play at LB or CB.

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Wouldn't mind overly much if Crouch was sold off in January and a left/right winger brought in to replace him. It'll let Babel play in his best position, striker.

I really don't understand this point of view. We are a team that struggles for goals. Crouch was out top scorer last season. He is our biggest goal threat after Torres. We should only sell him if we have a better option to take his place.

posted this earlier in thread : 18 goals for us last season and didn't always start, 2nd highest scorer in CL, 2nd or 3rd highest minutes-goals ratio in the PL. 14 in 26 games for England

Mr Alan

I'm not sure whether i'd want him sold or not. As has been said before, i'd fear Kuyt and Voronin are too alike although, the last couple of games have shown that Voronin than much more than most people thought, looks like a very good piece of business from Rafa.

In Rafa i trust. Do with Crouch wat you will Mr Raffatullah!

opr

Has "Quaresma" been mentioned i know Rafa has said many times he is a big fan and has tried in the past i thought he was going to be a target in January ?

Opr

lordgoat

Selling Crouch would be a huge mistake as it'll cost alot to get another striker in, who will def score goals in the PL. Do you think Kuyt and Voronin are going to score more than crouch?

As mentioned by someone else i also think he's the best partner for Torres.

Selling Riise, surely means that you have to replace him but where's the cover?I think rafa would want one to go and two to come in. If this was the case i'd guess it's Sissoko going and a defender and keft sided midfielder coming in.

opr

Dear Father Xmas

I have been a good boy so here is my list

Masherano - Contract signed & sealed

Good cover player at centre back - signed

Quaresma - Please please please let us make another bid for this guy. He is magic with the ball at his feet. Not only that but he is built for the premiership being very physically strong.

Thats it santa i don't ask for much :eek:

Opr

Tusky

Mr Alan wrote: »

As has been said before, i'd fear Kuyt and Voronin are too alike although,

Thats my thinking also.

Torres - offers something different
Crouch - offers something different
Kuyt & Voronin - offer exactly the same thing as far as I can see

opr wrote: »

Has "Quaresma" been mentioned i know Rafa has said many times he is a big fan and has tried in the past i thought he was going to be a target in January ?

Opr

Dont know where you got that from. Ive seen alot of talk about Quaresma from Liverpool fans but never anything from Rafa. Certainly never tried to sign him anyway. Are you sure you arent thinking of Manchini ? Would be over the moon with Quaresma though, he looks a great player.

As I already said, I doubt we will see more than a defender & Mascherano coming in January. We just bought Babel to play out left, Kewell is back in contention, Benayoun can play there and Rafa plays Riise there regularly too.

lordgoat wrote: »

Selling Riise, surely means that you have to replace him but where's the cover?I think rafa would want one to go and two to come in. If this was the case i'd guess it's Sissoko going and a defender and keft sided midfielder coming in.

Aurelio & Arbeloa can both play LB. My money is on Rafa beinging in a defender that can play both LB & CB though.

d22ontour

Mr Alan wrote: »

Maybe he should just concentrate on managing his small club, or going to work in a supermarket or something. Bitter clown.

Seriously where do you come up with this kinda rubbish ? Everton are a small club now ? And bitter ? Here's a thought ... Go and watch a merseyside derby and realise it has nothing to do with pass success nor small minded ideals that yore 2nd biggest rivals are a small club.Typical pool fan response as usual.

Zapp Brannigan

Quaresma would cost a loads, but I'd love to see him in a Liverpool shirt. A total out and out winger to terrorise fullbacks.

opr

Tusky wrote: »

Dont know where you got that from. Ive seen alot of talk about Quaresma from Liverpool fans but never anything from Rafa. Certainly never tried to sign him anyway. Are you sure you arent thinking of Manchini ? Would be over the moon with Quaresma though, he looks a great player.

No i am fairly sure we have tried a few times to sign him.

Taken from Quaresma wikipedia

....... Atletico have been very public in their desire to sign Quaresma, reported having bid €21 million.[4] On 4 July 2007, the Portuguese press reported a €20.7m (£14m) bid from Liverpool had been turned down.[5]

So i can dream

I read in one of the papers today that Rafa was looking for money for a centre back , enough to tie up Masherano deal and also money for two highly rated young brazilian kids.

Opr

Mr Alan

d22ontour wrote: »

Seriously where do you come up with this kinda rubbish ? Everton are a small club now ? And bitter ? Here's a thought ... Go and watch a merseyside derby and realise it has nothing to do with pass success nor small minded ideals that yore 2nd biggest rivals are a small club.Typical pool fan response as usual.

Everton are bitter towards liverpool, a lot of their fans are bitter and their manager very obviously is, considering his "joke" in his press briefing today.

Dont get me wrong, he can take the piss all he wants, if i was an everton fan, i'd like him for it, but i'm not, so i'll slate him for it.

Mr Alan

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Quaresma would cost a loads, but I'd love to see him in a Liverpool shirt. A total out and out winger to terrorise fullbacks.

dont know wat i'd think about quaresma, havent really seen him enough to be honest,would worry he's a bit poncy from wat i have seen though

Mr Alan

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Reina

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Finnan---Carragher--Agger--Arbeloa

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Mascherano

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Benayoun----Gerrard

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Babel--

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Crouch----Torres

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I really hope this is the team we put out (wouldnt mind Hypia in for Agger, no sense rushing him back, just dying to see the lad play again )

Be great to get a convincing win, then Rafa to dismiss any talk of him leaving after the game. We cant lose him, we just cant, and we wont.

The fans will be vocal as **** in their support of Rafa tomorrow.

PHB

The owners seem to make sense to me. You can have new players if you can prove you can get something out of the current players you have. If you can't, we'd rather save our money for a new manager and his players.

whatawaster

huge game today and i'm nervous. i'd like to see this team:

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Reina

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Finnan

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Carragher

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Agger

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Arbeloa

Babel

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Mascherano

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Gerrard

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Kewell

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Torres

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Kuyt

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but unfortunately, I fully expect to see Riise somewhere along the left

Kanney

whatawaster wrote: »

huge game today and i'm nervous. i'd like to see this team:

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Reina

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Finnan

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Carragher

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Agger

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Arbeloa

Babel

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Mascherano

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Gerrard

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Kewell

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Torres

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Kuyt

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but unfortunately, I fully expect to see Riise somewhere along the left

Similar line up I'd like to see, Kuyt or Crouch tho.

PiE

Five attacking players away to Newcastle? I'd love to see it but it's Rafa....

gerrard - masch - momo - riise

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torres - crouch

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More likely.

~Rebel~

Its a team that i really didn't expect!

The Reds team in full: Reina, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Gerrard, Kewell, Sissoko, Lucas, Kuyt, Torres.
Subs: Itandje, Riise, Crouch, Babel, Mascherano

Something like

Finnan--Carra--Hypia--Arbeloa
Gerrard--Sissoko--Lucas--Kewell

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Kuyt--Torres

Tusky

Lineup announced on sky sports.

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Reina

Finnan---Carragher-Hyypia--Arbeloa

Gerrard----Sissoko----Lucas---Kewell

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Torres--Kuyt

Subs : Itandje, Riise, Mascherano, Babel, Crouch

I like the lineup, hopefully we will see Lucas in an advanced role and Im hoping for a good game from Kewell, Torres & Kuyt. No Alonso , Gerrard or Mascherano in the middle means there will be alot of pressure on Lucas to control to pace of the game as Sissoko is not going to do it.

[edit] Thinking about it, has Gerrard started on the right this season ? I don't think so. For that reason it could be this...

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Lucas

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Kuyt

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Kewell

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Torres

spockety

Or is it..

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Reina

Finnan---Carragher-Hyypia--Arbeloa

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Sissoko----Lucas--

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Gerrard

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Kuyt

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Kewell

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Torres

PHB

I think that's a good line up, if Mascherano was in there, it'd be Liverpools best I think.

Tusky

PHB wrote: »

I think that's a good line up, if Mascherano was in there, it'd be Liverpools best I think.

If Mascherano, Agger, Alonso & Crouch were in there it would be our best.

PHB

Sorry I meant in terms of fit people, which I assume Mascherano is but he's just being rested. My problem with Crouch is that with him in the team, Liverpool too often revert to what seems to be the defenders natural tendency to whack the ball up the pitch. This isn't Crouch's fault, but it happens. As such, I think LIverpool are a better team if they have Kuyt on the pitch.

Tusky

PHB wrote: »

Sorry I meant in terms of fit people, which I assume Mascherano is but he's just being rested. My problem with Crouch is that with him in the team, Liverpool too often revert to what seems to be the defenders natural tendency to whack the ball up the pitch. This isn't Crouch's fault, but it happens. As such, I think LIverpool are a better team if they have Kuyt on the pitch.

I don't understand why Rafa doesn't play Crouch and then tell the players not to play long balls. Mascherano played 90 minutes on wed and had two long flights. Lucas & Sissoko werent involved...

mike65

Not bad, expect to see Masch on in the second half!

I'd say Harry will be good for 60 mins max, then Babel on.

Mike.

cson

Did Crouch give Rafa's wife a lash or what did he do?

shotamoose

Y'know, I'm not sure anyone's playing on the right. If Momo's meant to be there he doesn't seem to realise it. Fairly good start though, Kuyt and Torres linking well up front.

Edit: okay he's copped on now. And backheeled the ball into touch.

el rabitos

sissokos feet work like crouchs should

man, what a goal from stevie "hollywood pass" gerrard

griffdaddy

anyone got a working stream for this? livefotty-doctor serv and rojadirecta ain't giving me good ones. thanks

AdrianII

good goal - it was a screaming no keeper would have stopped that

quazzy

AdrianII wrote: »

good goal - it was a screaming no keeper would have stopped that

yup - it was a patented Gerrard Thunderbolt

shotamoose

griffdaddy wrote: »

anyone got a working stream for this? livefotty-doctor serv and rojadirecta ain't giving me good ones. thanks

Sopcast here is working for me.

whatawaster

should be two nil. My god Sissoko is playing bad.

flanzer

Again Liverpool aren't decisive. While they're fully deserved 1-0 up, they should be more! It all goes dull in the last 3rd. Sissoko is cat. Bring him off for Babel and stick harry back on the left as he was running Geremi ragged. Give Crouchy the last half hour also

Tusky

Great first half from Liverpool. If we had Alonso or Mascherano in the middle we would be more than 1 in front. Sissoko has been awful. Good to see Kewell getting involved, rarely gives the ball away. Very intelligent player.

Given should have been sent off..and what a goal from Gerrard. 6 in 7 games. Hes scored 6 goals in the last 6 games he has played in center midfield.

whatawaster

does that count as a lucas assist for fantasy football purposes?

Dcully

Cant get any of the streams to work

Tusky

whatawaster wrote: »

does that count as a lucas assist for fantasy football purposes?

It was Torres that was fouled I think.