Everton vs Liverpool Net Spending

Mr Alan

Liverpool In:

Torres: 21m
Voronin: free
Benayoun: 5m
Lucan: 5.5m
Babel: 11m
Youngsters: 4m

Total: 46.5m

Out:

Gonzalez: 3m
Bellamy: 8m
Cisse: 8m
Pongolle: 2.5m
Garcia: 3m
Total recouped: 24.5

Total Spend: 22 million

Everton In

Yakubu: 11m
Fernandes: 9m
Jagielka: 4m
Baines: 5m

Total: 29 million

Out:

Beattie: 4m
Total recouped: 4m

Net Spend: 25m

Everton Net: 25million Liverpool Net: 22million

Just saw something like this on another site and thought it very interesting considering the amount being talked about Liverpool spending massive money this year.

This kind of puts it into perspective.

Pepe LeFrits

How much did the players Liverpool sold cost?

leninbenjamin

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

How much did the players Liverpool sold cost?

the only one Pool made a profit from was gonzalez right?

mike65

Bellamy was a modest profit I think, 6 in 8 out.

I think a better comparison right now would be Wigan v Sunderland spend!

Mike.

uberwolf

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

How much did the players Liverpool sold cost?

whilst I see the point the OP is making, I think a 5 year rolling net spend would be more instructive - see Mourinho making a fuss about his spend this summer, bless his cotton socks.

Over 5 years you'd suspect that Liverpools spend has been greater than Evertons. If only cos they flogged Rooney

mike65

Why not start at about 1880?

Mike.

leninbenjamin

also Everton have only bought half of Fernandez, right?

TwoShedsJackson

Gonzalez was sold?

astrofool

Well, look at it this way, Babel or Yakubu for 11m? I know which player any sane person would pick. Yakubu is the type of player Liverpool have been crying out for, and he's going to their city rivals for a snip.

Also, as mentioned before, how much did Liverpool spend on the players they sold?

Mr Alan

I understand that over the years Liverpool have spent more than Everton, this is simply because they have been more successful and therefore have more money to spend though!

My point was simply, with all the noises being made about Liverpools spending THIS SUMMER (eg. Mourinho saying we have to win the title cause of the money spent), when viewed in comparrison with a host of other clubs, the net spending is not that high.

~Rebel~

astrofool wrote:

Well, look at it this way, Babel or Yakubu for 11m? I know which player any sane person would pick. Yakubu is the type of player Liverpool have been crying out for, and he's going to their city rivals for a snip.

Also, as mentioned before, how much did Liverpool spend on the players they sold?

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original cost
Gonzalez: 3m

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2m
Bellamy: 8m

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6m
Cisse: 8m

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14m
Pongolle: 2.5m

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2m (ish- was potentially up to 3.5 but i very much doubt many of the rising clauses were met)
Garcia: 3m

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6m

Of those, Garcia was really the only success, though pongolle, gonzalez and bellamy cancer themselves out by making a profit/evening out.

garcia paid back his 3mill loss many many times over with his big game performances. massively instrumental in istanbul 2005 and all the money that came with it.


And id take Torres every single time over Yakubu (dont get me wrong, i like yak). if Boro can manage to sign Alfonso Alves to replace him they'll be laughin.

Vokes

millersangel wrote:

My point was simply, with all the noises being made about Liverpools spending THIS SUMMER (eg. Mourinho saying we have to win the title cause of the money spent), when viewed in comparrison with a host of other clubs, the net spending is not that high.

Obviously though, those same people incl. Mourinho are not talking about net spend but rather total transfer spending.

Fanny Cradock

Of those players sold by pool, you should also factor their wages into the cost equation. I'd imagine that the wages would cost in the region of millions, thus further adding to the loss.

Mr Alan

astrofool wrote:

Well, look at it this way, Babel or Yakubu for 11m? I know which player any sane person would pick. Yakubu is the type of player Liverpool have been crying out for, and he's going to their city rivals for a snip.

Also, as mentioned before, how much did Liverpool spend on the players they sold?

I'd take Babel.

Yakubu, imo, is EXACTLY the type of player we've been signing over the last few years (diouf,bellamy,cisse etc etc) he is a very good player, but not good enough for a top team (real, barca, utd, chelsea, milan, liverpool etc).

Babel on the other hand has the potential to be among the best players in the world. Yakubu would have just been another stop gap player imo

JPA

astrofool wrote:

Well, look at it this way, Babel or Yakubu for 11m? I know which player any sane person would pick. Yakubu is the type of player Liverpool have been crying out for, and he's going to their city rivals for a snip.

Also, as mentioned before, how much did Liverpool spend on the players they sold?

People actually rate Yakubu? Babel is going to be world class while Yakubu is, although a goal scorer, very lazy and not a player for a top team. He doesn't contribute enough overall to warrant a place in a top team where goals can come from all over without relying on 2 or 3 players to score.

thebaz

i didn't know Yakubu and Fernandes had actually signed for the blues ?
hopefully they do ,

puts what in perspective ?

Possibly the best bit of business we did was off loading that waste of space Beattie .

Mr Alan

think they are both due to sign monday and tues.

puts in perspective, that most forms of media and a lot of oppositiom fans are saying we have to win the league this year because of the amount of money we've spent

agree, beattie was muck

KdjaCL

millersangel wrote:

I understand that over the years Liverpool have spent more than Everton, this is simply because they have been more successful and therefore have more money to spend though!

My point was simply, with all the noises being made about Liverpools spending THIS SUMMER (eg. Mourinho saying we have to win the title cause of the money spent), when viewed in comparrison with a host of other clubs, the net spending is not that high.

But are Liverpool still in massive debt? or has that been sorted?


kdjac

Mr Alan

my understanding of that is that it was cleared with the yanks coming in

Fanny Cradock

Probably went instantly back into debt after the signings.

thebaz

i hope we sign Yakubu and Fernandes , to progress we need them -- but i'd hate to see our bank balance , we were in serious debt a few years ago , and Bill kenwright hasn't a rasher !

Third_Echelon

and we're (everton) still in debt, although it was all bundled into a mortgage type of loan based on future sales of season tickets.

30 million loan. Total to be repayed. 68 million.... 2.8 million per season repayments.

My guess is that the money from these summer signings is coming from robert earl (planet hollywood fame)... or the bank is lending us more based on his addition to the board.

Fernandes and Yakubu have not been signed yet. hopefully they are. until i see them on the back page with a jersey and scarf i wont count them as in the squad yet

Bluetonic

millersangel wrote:

Everton In

Yakubu: 11m
Fernandes: 9m
Jagielka: 4m
Baines: 5m

Total: 29 million

Out:

Beattie: 4m
Total recouped: 4m

Net Spend: 25m

Everton Net: 25million Liverpool Net: 22million

Just saw something like this on another site and thought it very interesting considering the amount being talked about Liverpool spending massive money this year.

This kind of puts it into perspective.

Listen when you decide to have one of these comparison threads please try and make it definitive.

Everton's out goings on player transfers this season have not just solely recouped on JBs transfers fee. They have transfered out other players.

Yakubu and Fernandes have not signed yet.

As Everton and Wigan are both privately owned Baines fee was undisclosed. 5m GBP was most certaintly not exchanged between parties.

You really should resolve to stop posting partial irrelevant material.

kaisersose77

it's not Evertons fault they had to get rid of less players than liverpool

Why compare them? so you can feel better about Liverpool's spending?

Sure do it again when liverpool have another clearout next summer and everton sell 1 or 2 players and convince yourself that liverpools net spending is better than everton....

Bluetonic

kaisersose77 wrote:

Why compare them?

Justification for not beating them last season and conceding 3 goals and not scoring any in the process?

PHB

I actually think this time he is pointing out that Everton and Liverpool spent a similar amount this summer, so when Liverpool execs talk of spending with the big boys, they really aren't.

Bluetonic

PHB wrote:

I actually think this time he is pointing out that Everton and Liverpool spent a similar amount this summer, so when Liverpool execs talk of spending with the big boys, they really aren't.

He's making up figures, and leaving out transfers to be honest. Potential transfers, selective transfers, imaginary fees is all I see posted from an Everton point of view. Perhaps if the OP wants to furnish us with a definitive list then maybe we'll take him seriously.

Anyhow for the the likes of comparisons on transfer fees isn't it better to disclose the true cost of the transfer, namely the salary over the life of the contract. After all this is the bottom line to any club.

ciaran76

I thought I read somewhere that Liverpool signed something like 12 players in the summer. That includes youth players or reserve players. Where are these fees?

Washout

PHB wrote:

I actually think this time he is pointing out that Everton and Liverpool spent a similar amount this summer, so when Liverpool execs talk of spending with the big boys, they really aren't.

I actually feel what hes trying to say is if Liverpool go on to win the league then they are not doing it on the backing of a sugar daddy the way chelsea did when they bought like crazy and won the league.

Liverpool has a very big squad and obv had to get rid of players to bring so many in, in order to keep a happy squad.

Everton Has in comparison a ridiculously small squad and needed to add more incoming players than outgoing.

Im happy that we got rid of some deadwood like Beattie and Naysmith.
but it makes brinking in Yakubu and Fernandes all the more important. hopefully it will happen.

ciaran76

Looks like Yakuba wont happen now.


Also checked the original posters transfer fees against BBC's website for 1 or 2 players and they were different
selling prices and different buying prices.

redzerdrog

ciaran76 wrote:

Looks like Yakuba wont happen now.


Also checked the original posters transfer fees against BBC's website for 1 or 2 players and they were different
selling prices and different buying prices.

wish i had such an exciting life:rolleyes:

Mr Alan

the youth players Liverpool signed are in the list i put up originally.

when i posted it looked like Fernandes and Yakubu were about to sign, still thing they will sign.

as for errors with the figures, a number of liverpools were undisclosed, but the figures i posted are the most common or reliable ones i've found. if people have issues with them, post what you think they should be instead of just slating my OP.

thanks

Vokes

Hey, can you post the link for the site you got that list of comparative spending from?

Mr Alan

was from a few sites

~Rebel~

SofaKing wrote:

Hey, can you post the link for the site you got that list of comparative spending from?

usually if you google the players name, new club, "sign" and BBC or Skysports you'll find the artical from the time giving their estimate. I find BBC often seems to be the most accurate

Mr Alan

just googled torres and bbc out of curiousity and they list him at 20m whereas i have him at 21m.

not wanting to argue about exact figures, cause no one knows for sure the exact details, BUT my point remains the same, IF everton sign those two lads, it makes very interesting reading when people are talking up Liverpools MASSIVE summer spending spree

ciaran76

redzerdrog wrote:

wish i had such an exciting life:rolleyes:

Keep on wishing then !

Mitch Connor

millersangel wrote:

just googled torres and bbc out of curiousity and they list him at 20m whereas i have him at 21m.

not wanting to argue about exact figures, cause no one knows for sure the exact details, BUT my point remains the same, IF everton sign those two lads, it makes very interesting reading when people are talking up Liverpools MASSIVE summer spending spree

surely you have to take the spending in context though, Liverpools spending comes on top of an already expensively assembled squad - Liverpool have always been among the top spenders. It is a fact of football that if a team wants to break the top four, or even come close to it, they need to spend. Evertons summer spending (if they sign Yakubu which is by no means certain at this point) is high, but the rest of their squad is relitively cheap, and has been built up over time.

~Rebel~

i dont think he's saying we're on an equal footing by any stretch. I think he's just pointing out that it sheds a slightly new light on all the people (not necessarily here, just paper talk, pundits, Mourinho etc) saying we've spent huge and anything bar the premiership is a waste of money, whereas in actual fact we haven't exactly been spending far and away above anyone else or anything. I think the comparison with Everton is just showing that just because a decent amount of money (though not really an incredible amount) is spent doesn't automatically mean we HAVE to be winning the league.

PHB

Well I just did a quick compliation, Everton's net spend in the last four years (since aruond when Benetiz joined) is 11 million. That's before the Yakubu and Fernades transfers.

Here it is, albeit unformated for the raw data:

2007	Leighton Baines	£6,000,000		Scott Phelan	£0		
	Phil Jagielka	£4,000,000		James Beattie	£4,000,000		
		£10,000,000			£4,000,000		[b]NET:[/b] £6,000,000
							
2006	Tim Howard	£3,000,000		Jay Harris	£0		
						Le Tie	£0		
						Kevin Kilbane	£2,000,000		
						David Weir	£0		
						Simon Davis			
						Richard Wright	£0		
						Gary Naysmith	£1,000,000		
						Alan Stubbs	£0		
		£3,000,000			£3,000,000		[b]NET:[/b]£0
							
2005	Per Kroldrup	£5,000,000		Steve Watson	£0		
	Mikel Arteta	£2,000,000		Eddy Bosnar	£0		
	Phil Neville	£3,500,000		Marcus Bent	2500000		
	Nuno Valente	£1,500,000		Per Kroldrup			
	Andy Van der Meyde			Laurence Wilson	£0		
	Alan Stubbs	£0					
	Andy Johnson	£8,600,000					
	Joleon Lescott	£5,000,000					
		£25,600,000			£2,500,000		[b]NET:[/b]£23,100,000
							
2004	Tim Cahill	£150,000		David Unsworth	£0		
	James Beattie	£6,000,000		Tomasz Radzinski	£1,750,000		
	Guillaume Plessis	£0		Wayne Rooney	£25,000,000		
	John Ruddy	£250,000		Thomas Gravesen	£245,000		
	Simon Davis	£3,500,000		Nick Chardwick	£250,000		
		£9,900,000			£27,245,000		[b]NET:[/b]-£17,345,000

Mitch Connor

Kevin Kilbane was sold in 2006 to Wigan, you have him in the bought column. Although, you have debited his fee correctly.

Also, i can't work out what is going on in 2005....

PHB

Apologies, all fixed. Added an extra 0 where none was meant to be, kinda skewed the data
Net Spend is 11.8 million since where Benetiz and Mourinho took over. Stands in stark contrast to Liverpools 78 million

Mr Alan

PHB wrote:

Apologies, all fixed. Added an extra 0 where none was meant to be, kinda skewed the data
Net Spend is 11.8 million since where Benetiz and Mourinho took over. Stands in stark contrast to Liverpools 78 million

pretty sure this is in the wrong thread though. This is comparing their spending this year

PHB

Ah yes, cause a squad is bought in a year. Sure last summer United's net spend was below 0.

When people talk about expectations from spending, I think that since Benetiz has spent a roughly similar amount to Fergie in his time there, you'd expect them to be a little closer in the league. When other people talk about expectations, they don't just mean this summer.

Mitch Connor

PHB wrote:

Ah yes, cause a squad is bought in a year. Sure last summer United's net spend was below 0.

When people talk about expectations from spending, I think that since Benetiz has spent a roughly similar amount to Fergie in his time there, you'd expect them to be a little closer in the league. When other people talk about expectations, they don't just mean this summer.

Chelsea did:D

~Rebel~

But; The original post was talking about Liverpool now being mooted to be spending with the big boys because of this years spree, which they are, but with all the money now, they're on equal spending with a lot of the smaller teams too, such as Everton.

PHB

Only this year though, and I think that they have always been up there with the big boys in terms of spending. It's just that this year they spent very very big on one player, something none of the other clubs like Everton are doing.

If you want to talk about net spending for a year, it's just stupid, cause the players that are bringing down Liverpools net spend this year cost money before hand and are also part of the entire transfer spend over the last 4 years. Taking a snapshot this summer is just silly and has no real meaning. Just cause Liverpool happened to sell players this summer means nothing, Everton might decide to offload some players this Christmas.

Mr Alan

PHB wrote:

When people talk about expectations from spending, I think that since Benetiz has spent a roughly similar amount to Fergie in his time there, you'd expect them to be a little closer in the league. When other people talk about expectations, they don't just mean this summer.

actually read an article a while ago comparing Fergusons and Benitez spending since Rafa arrived. Utd have spent a bit more, but what was startling was that Utd have bought something like (now these are only example figures but you get the point)

Utd 11 players
Liverpool 37 players

for less money than Utds 11 new signings.

Rafa was left with another managers players and had to totally rebuild a side, ferguson didnt.some buys worked, some didnt. Plus the biggest signing he has made until torres came along was forced upon him.

~Rebel~

PHB wrote:

If you want to talk about net spending for a year, it's just stupid, cause the players that are bringing down Liverpools net spend this year cost money before hand and are also part of the entire transfer spend over the last 4 years. Taking a snapshot this summer is just silly and has no real meaning. Just cause Liverpool happened to sell players this summer means nothing, Everton might decide to offload some players this Christmas.

i agree, its not a good way to look at spending, as what's at the club already counts for a huge amount.

Am just pointing out that that Is what this thread is about however. The spending Vs Everton for this year Only.

Mr Alan

phb, if ya think the thread is stupid just dont post in it, as opposed to slating it....i just thought it was interesting

PHB

Utd 11 players
Liverpool 37 players

Liverpool

Javier Mascherano
Alvaro Arbeloa
Lucas
Voronin
Fernando Torres
Yossi Benayoun
Ryan Babel
Krisztian Nemeth
Andras Simon
Sebastian Leto
Fabio Aurelio
Jermaine Pennant
Dirk Kuyt
Gabriel Palletta
Craig Bellamy
Daniel Agger
Robbie Fowler
Jan Kromkamp
Peter Crouch
Momo Sissoko
Mark Gonzalez
Antonio Barragan
Jose Reina
Boudewijn Zenden
Scott Carson
Fernando Morientes
Mauricio Pellegrino
Josemi
Luis Garcia
Xabi Alonso
Antonio Nunez
Djibril Cisse

33 players 11 of which have been sold on. 22 players

United

Michael Carrick
Thomas Kuszczak
Patrice Evra
Nemanja Vidic
Ji-Sung Park
Ben Foster
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
Florent N'Galula
Liam Miller
Gabriel Heinze
Alan Smith
Louis Saha
Dong Fangzhuo
Gerard Pique
Guiseppi Rossi

16 players 3 of which has been sold on. 13 players.

Not as big a difference as you pointed out.

Rafa was left with another managers players and had to totally rebuild a side

That is one of my major major criticisms of Benetiz, that his transfer policy meant that he would barely even use the players the Houllier left him with. His need to make the entire squad his is the reason why Liverpool have been so far behind in the league tables.

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If I think the thread is irrelevant to me, I won't post in it. That's why I've never ever looked at the Celtic thread.
If I think the thread is using data to make a point, if I don't think it makes that point, I'll point it out, and use other data to show how it absolutely does not make that point.