Speeding, Penalty points Law

blonde36

Got a letter from the Guards saying I was speeding on the Lucan Road!!

The only have a photo of my number plate, they dont say where on the road or which direction I was driving only the date and time.

I thought they had to tell you this show you a picture of your car ??

Also though I am Irish and have an Irish Registered car...I am driving on a full UK License, I understand that they cant apply penalty points .....but I heard something on the news that this was going to change.

Have you been in this situation? Thanks

drdre

I dont think its possible to get points on uk licence yet but its being introduced by next year

Seth Brundle

I don't think thats the case dre. They will allow cross border access to each others systems but this wont apply to 'mainland UK'.
As for the pic the OP received, you can request the original pic from the gardai. I reckon it was taken by the talivan somewhere along the N4, either at Liffey Valley or just around the bend from the Foxhunter.

GTC

kbannon wrote:

I don't think thats the case dre. They will allow cross border access to each others systems but this wont apply to 'mainland UK'.
As for the pic the OP received, you can request the original pic from the gardai. I reckon it was taken by the talivan somewhere along the N4, either at Liffey Valley or just around the bend from the Foxhunter.

There is a GATSO fixed camera at opposite the Spa Hotel on the N4 inbound, in an 80 kph zone. That would take pics of the car's rear.

If you have a mainland UK plate, the details are forwarded to the relevant UK authorites. In many cases lately, they apply the points. I don't know when the system is fully up and running, but it seems to be half working as it is.

Seth Brundle

I had forgotten about that one (and I live near it!!!)

godtabh

GTC wrote:

If you have a mainland UK plate, the details are forwarded to the relevant UK authorites. In many cases lately, they apply the points. I don't know when the system is fully up and running, but it seems to be half working as it is.

Are you sure about that? I've never heard about it and a quick question to google and nothing relvant (that I could see) comes up

Marcus.Aurelius

I think they always sent the details on, its up to the UK authorites to apply the points.

Terrontress

kearnsr wrote:

Are you sure about that? I've never heard about it and a quick question to google and nothing relvant (that I could see) comes up

If there isn't uniformity of regulations relating to speed limits, can the UK apply points?

How would the UK authorities react if you appealed?

abbs07

speedin fines in the post ? seems if you ignore it and let it go to court it will get thrown out if you say you never got the original fixd penalty in the post
saving you 2pts for a little white lie....;)

Seth Brundle

Thats not the case abbs07 - several reports of the judge asking the party if they were speeding and then throwing 4 points at them!

abbs07

yes thats true too its a gamble ,anthing can happen in that game of charades called the courtroom
so it could be 4 and a fine or just the briefs fees if hes good enough to win the case
and on briefs fees :mad:
garage maindealer fees:mad:
concert tickets:mad:

ok ill stop goin a little off track ere...........

Linford

drdre wrote:

I dont think its possible to get points on uk licence yet but its being introduced by next year

In the Irish Times today it says that the Road Safety Authority has confirmed that mutual recognition of penalty points between Ireland and Northern Ireland (and the rest of the EU) is still some years away.

Where are you getting your information from?

seamus

blonde36 wrote:

Also though I am Irish and have an Irish Registered car...I am driving on a full UK License, I understand that they cant apply penalty points .....but I heard something on the news that this was going to change.

Although EU-wide implementation is a few years away (speeding regulations still not being uniform), there are movements to have a North-South co-operative going much sooner than that. This wouldn't only apply to speeding, but Gardai in the South could let know the PSNI know if a suspected drink-driver had crossed the border, etc etc.

Note that if you're Irish or living and working here, then you have a PPSN. Penalty points are tied to your PPSN, and your PPSN is tied to you for as long as you live. If you trade in your UK licence for an Irish one, then all penalty points which you have accrued over your lifetime will be applied to your licence - penalty points expire three years after they're applied to your licence, not three years after they're given to you. Theoretically, the last for your entire life if you never hold an Irish licence.

If they establish and EU-wide system, it may be the case that all previous points are applied to any EU licence holder who accrued them, or they'll be wiped. I suspect the latter, but you never know.

I.S.T.

GTC wrote:

If you have a mainland UK plate, the details are forwarded to the relevant UK authorites. In many cases lately, they apply the points. I don't know when the system is fully up and running, but it seems to be half working as it is.

Where are you getting this info from? This is not the case at all as far as I know.

GTC

IrishSpeedTraps wrote:

Where are you getting this info from? This is not the case at all as far as I know.

I'm not in Castlebar, I don't send out the tickets personally, I don't know if points are really applied in all cases. I can only tell you what others tell me. They may be 100% wrong. We do send the points to the UK, if they don't apply them, that's their problem. Personally I think the whole situation is a disgrace.

AntiVirus

GTC wrote:

If you have a mainland UK plate, the details are forwarded to the relevant UK authorites.

True

GTC wrote:

In many cases lately, they apply the points. I don't know when the system is fully up and running, but it seems to be half working as it is.

False