Dogs at the beach.

Alfasudcrazy

Post removed.

peasant

My compliments to your dogs ...the have you well trained

fits

My dogs can hear the door of our camper van open from 5 miles away I think. The camper has to be entered with caution

johnnyrotten

I was on the beach recently and had to leave because an individual decided to let his two large labradors run amok , scaring my kids. Don't get me wrong, I am a dog lover but the control of dogs act 1986 is there for a reason.

alexdenby6

just think about this for a moment. if, as most dog owners are, this man was responsible, he would not let his dogs run about if they posed a threat to anyone, especially kids.
and the control of dog act doesnt say that dogs have to be 0n a lead, just under control.

stcatherine

It's a very sad state of affairs that people can no longer take their dogs out for 'a run', so many places are becoming 'dogs must be kept on a lead at all times' even woods in the middle of nowhere and there are few (if any) places where dog owners can let their dogs get some well needed exercise by allowing them to run about off lead, and why ? because of muppets who cannot control their dogs ......... as with most other dog related rules they have been made to protect us from stupid people, unfortunately us normal people and our dogs must suffer as a consequence.

alexdenby6

to be honest with you, i just ignore these signs a lot of the time, a) no one going to stop me because they dont care, b) theyre scared to touch me because i have a german shepherd, try and manhandle me out and she'll defend me. shes a big baby and is well trained, obedient and never gave anyone any hastle. she has every right to run where she wants and i aint gonna stop her, and noone else will.

stovelid

alexdenby6 wrote:

i just ignore these signs a lot of the time, a) no one going to stop me because they dont care, b) theyre scared to touch me because i have a german shepherd,.

exactly the sort of attitude that gets other dog users in the sh8t ....

peasant

alexdenby6 wrote:

to be honest with you, i just ignore these signs a lot of the time, a) no one going to stop me because they dont care, b) theyre scared to touch me because i have a german shepherd, try and manhandle me out and she'll defend me. shes a big baby and is well trained, obedient and never gave anyone any hastle. she has every right to run where she wants and i aint gonna stop her, and noone else will.

If you really mean that like you wrote it (and I suspect you do), then allow me to be the first to call you an inconsiderate egotist*





* (in leu of what I would normally say)

lightening

Ah dude.. youre the reason some Dublin South Siders can't walk their dogs on the beach during the day. If you see people coming towards you stick the dog on a lead and nod and smile.

Ruby Soho

peasant wrote:

If you really mean that like you wrote it (and I suspect you do), then allow me to be the first to call you an inconsiderate egotist*



Hear hear!!! It because of people like you the rest of us have to suffer. Obviously if you had her so under control, the idea of her attacking somebody in your defense wouldn't be an issue. I am sick TO THE TEETH with people letting their dogs gallavant all over the place, bullying my two when they're on their leads and have no way of defending themselves. I don't let mine off the lead because ITS THE LAW. I'm being responsible knowing that A) Lots of people are afraid of dogs and it wouldn't be fair on them to let my big dogs run all over the place and if my dogs attacked another dog while they were off their leads, I would be liable, even if the other dog started it. Look the laws are there for a reason, i know its a pain but deal with it.
I probably sound awful but I am sick of being the only person in the park who is being responsible. My dogs get attacked ALL THE TIME.

Glowing

alexdenby6 wrote:

to be honest with you, i just ignore these signs a lot of the time, a) no one going to stop me because they dont care, b) theyre scared to touch me because i have a german shepherd, try and manhandle me out and she'll defend me. shes a big baby and is well trained, obedient and never gave anyone any hastle. she has every right to run where she wants and i aint gonna stop her, and noone else will.

Wow :rolleyes:

I really hope some child doesn't learn the error of your ways ......you're a small man hiding behind a big dog.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I take my little Staffie puppy to Portmarnock beach most days, although he's still a baby he's kept on the lead until I'm at least up past the life guard station where the beach starts to empty.

I wouldn't dream of letting him off the lead around people because while he's still a puppy people can be ignorant fookers and lay claim to anything once they know Jericho is a Staff. So I just don't take the chance ... with people!.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Alexdenby6 is exactly the type of dog owner who gives us all a bad name. What a prat!!

fits

Do you know though, I think I meet more inconsiderate dog owners than considerate ones.
Very rarely do other owners put their dogs on a lead when they meet me and my dogs. I always put mine on a lead when I see other dogs, as I'm terrified of them getting attacked, not because they're badly socialised or any other reason.
I also put them on a lead when I see young kids as I know how easily they can get a fright, and end up with a phobia for life (even though my dogs really arent boisterous).
I do love letting mine off to play with new dogs and I believe that is good for them, but only after getting another owner's consent.

I was down in Co. Waterford recently and did exactly what I said above when I saw a dog in the distance. A lady on a bicycle came up behind me with a loose dalmation. The group with the other dog shielded him protectively while myself and the lady with the dalmation went by and she asked if they were alright with him 'OH we're more worried about the greyhounds' was the response...
Now how these people could be more worried about two on-leash lurchers than an off leash dalmation who could run up to other dogs (including mine) at will... Bl00dy ignorance of them all!

racram

Victor Small Stirrup wrote:

Alexdenby6 is exactly the type of dog owner who gives us all a bad name. What a prat!!

Exactly! I have a tiny terrier mix that I rescued and I always have her on the lead when people are around because a lot of people are terrified of dogs no matter what size they are!

stcatherine

I was also aiming to highlight the fact that no one is bothering to supply us with safe areas to allow our dogs off the lead. They are all so busy making everywhere safe that they aren't leaving any patches of land for the dogs to run on :mad:

I know this is Ireland but not everyone has the luxury of owning an acre of two of land where they can let their dogs run free, I'm not saying I don't agree with the on-lead law because I do, I just feel it's unfair that provisions aren't being made to give us alternatives either.

fits

I agree. I dont think I could ever move back to the city, just because my dogs are not the most obedient in the world (well the borzoi/saluki/wolfhound/I dunno what the hell he is - definitely has a mind of his own), and I could never give them a life where they werent allowed off-lead every day to sniff and mooch and race and play.
I'm lucky to live in a fantastic place for keeping dogs, far away from roads and people and loose dogs..

fletch...

just reading this thread and i agree there are too many muppets out there with dogs off lead, I just recently got a samoyed pup, shes very friendly, playfull and all that blah blah blah but we still keep her on the long lead, just let her run on the long lead when the time is right.

people should realise that when pups get thier immunisations then it takes a few weeks for them shots to take full effect, so when them twats try let thier dogs play with other dogs (or pups) then they are putting them pups at very bad risk.

aswell as that there is also the risk of a playfull dog knocking over elderly like in a close call i saw not too long ago.

last week some oul one let her free running dog run off with my samoyeds Kong, she said in a real scummer accent " ah ye il get ye annotha wan for Jaysus sake"

Some people just shouldnt have Dogs

dimple

stcatherine wrote:

I was also aiming to highlight the fact that no one is bothering to supply us with safe areas to allow our dogs off the lead. They are all so busy making everywhere safe that they aren't leaving any patches of land for the dogs to run on :mad:

They are redeveloping Marlay Park in Dublin and there are plans for an area where dogs can run off their leads.

Ruby Soho

'OH we're more worried about the greyhounds' was the response...


Fits, that is so true. I have the same problem with mine, and whats even worse is when they start shouting that they should be muzzled, like we're the ones breaking the law (it's not required by law by the way!). I will not under any circumstances muzzle my dogs when so many others let their dogs run free. When you take away a greyhound's best defense (speed) they have no way of defending themselves and could find themselves victims of fights very quickly.

alexdenby6

ok i apologise for stirring crap. i dont provoke, i just exercise my dog the way she needs to be. i'm not allowed to have my dog off a lead anywhere. its cruel, she's young, and very energetic and needs to be able to run everyday. she isnt muzzled, noone cares and she doesnt need one. im just doing whats right for my dog. if our taxes go to a park i cant legally use then i will use it responsibly. she is on the lead except when in the areas where few people go without a dog. big green area with trees full of dog owners. not irresponsible and thuggish, just what is right and just for my dog. sorry again for upsetting you.

~Thalia~

alexdenby6 wrote:

ok i apologise for stirring crap. i dont provoke, i just exercise my dog the way she needs to be. i'm not allowed to have my dog off a lead anywhere. its cruel, she's young, and very energetic and needs to be able to run everyday. she isnt muzzled, noone cares and she doesnt need one. im just doing whats right for my dog. if our taxes go to a park i cant legally use then i will use it responsibly. she is on the lead except when in the areas where few people go without a dog. big green area with trees full of dog owners. not irresponsible and thuggish, just what is right and just for my dog. sorry again for upsetting you.

Alex - I feel the same way with my GSD. I am so gutted for her that I can't let her off the lead to run and play and she is just a pup at 8 months so she is a right live wire! What I did was I bought one of those extendable leads that extends 30feet and she feels like she is off in open space so that was the best I can do for her in open parks.
We are luck to have a big enclosed garden so she can get in a good few sprints around that everyday too!

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I know I'll get in trouble for this but...Surely it's irresponsible to get a large dog, or a working breed, if you can't provide the level of exercise it needs.

Leeby

My dogs only little (not sure exactly what he is as he's a bit unusual looking, but he's no bigger than a daschund), Anyways, despite his small stature and his lack of interest in going near kids on the beach I'll always put him on the lead when children are around as you never know how afraid they might be, even with the dog nowhere near them.
I've also had a lot of trouble with him as far as recall goes when there's other dogs around so he's always put on the lead as soon as I see a dog on a lead no matter how far away they are.
However I will admit that if the other dog/s are off the lead I'll leave him off as he's really friendly and loves to play and I think it's important he socialises with other dogs rather than being pulled away all the time.

JarOfFlies

I don't get this thread

So GSD aren't allowed off their leads ever...?

iguana

JarOfFlies wrote:

I don't get this thread

So GSD aren't allowed off their leads ever...?

Dogs mentioned under the dangerous dogs act have to be on a lead and muzzle at all times when they are in public. The list includes GSDs, Staffies, Rottweilers, Dobermen and quite a few others.

All other dogs are legally required to be "kept under control" which I assume means they can run free if they have good recall and you ensure to call them back if they get up to mischief or bother others. However many parks require that dogs be kept on leads at all times. I'm not actually sure of the legalities of these signs as unless a by-law has been passed by the governing council they don't have any power.

Either way these rules are bad as if dogs aren't sufficiently exercised and socialised they can become very badly behaved and develop neuroses. One of my dogs was rehomed at 7 months from a home where he was only ever walked on an extendable lead and he was underdeveloped, overweight and utterly clueless about other dogs.* He was also extremely badly behaved in his home which was why his owners were giving him away.

In London where I currently live there are innumerable parks where dogs can be walked off-lead. The public spaces in London tend to be much more populated than they are anywhere in Ireland due to the population density. And if 7 million people here can co-exist successfully in parks with off-lead dogs then it can certainly be done in Ireland. And bear in mind also that London has a much higher proportion of people who come from cultures which do not keep dogs as pets or which consider dogs unclean and unholy.

Most London parks welcome all dogs which are kept under control but do have dog-free areas, including all playgrounds, where dogs are not allowed. That way if you want to sit and read peacefully or have a picnic you have somewhere to go where you won't be disturbed by dogs. It's certainly not perfect especially in the type of area I live in, where we have more than our fair share of gangsta wannabes with "hard" dogs but it's better than the system in Ireland which is cruel to the dogs.

*I know extendable leads can provide adequate exercise for certain types of dogs, but they are just not suitable for exercising a dog like a Springer Spaniel.

JarOfFlies

iguana wrote:

Dogs mentioned under the dangerous dogs act have to be on a lead and muzzle at all times when they are in public. The list includes GSDs, Staffies, Rottweilers, Dobermen and quite a few others.

There's no such thing as a "dangerous" dog Only bad owners.

I've had my Staffie for years and I never muzzle her ever. They have bad enough reputations as it is, but muzzling her would make people think she's prone to biting or something.

Alfasudcrazy

OK - we get the message by now. Always muzzle you dog and keep it on a lead .

Why does every thread on this board end up in controversy. :rolleyes:

Rigsby

Alfasudcrazy wrote:

Why does every thread on this board end up in controversy. :rolleyes:

I would have thought you would have seen it coming . As soon as I read your initial post I had a feeling it would go off on a tangent.

iguana

JarOfFlies wrote:

There's no such thing as a "dangerous" dog Only bad owners.

I mostly agree, although there are dogs with mental illnesses such as "rage" that even the best owner in the world can't handle. But for the most part a dog is a reflection of it's owner's care. I think the muzzling and lead laws are cruel and people should really campaign against them. Earlier this year Camden council attempted to ban dogs being walked off lead in most parks and a huge campaign was launched that made them reverse their decision.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=1233&d=pg_dtl_art_news&h=240&f=0

I know if I move back to Ireland I will be finding out the exact legality of the "all dogs must be kept on leads" rules in parks where the bye-laws only require "under control" such as in Marlay park. And I will fight it legally if anyone ever tries to challenge me about my dogs. In the UK dog the Kennel Club offers advice and support to dog-owners so hopefully the IKC does similar here.

I'm a responsible dog owner, in our local park we work hard with the kids introducing them to the dogs and holding them while the nervous children work up the nerve to pet them. There are kids on our street who were terrified of dogs a year ago who now argue with each other over who gets to walk our dogs up the street and feed them treats. I won't have my dogs punished for the actions of a few morons who shouldn't have dogs.

Ireland is actually a very dog-unfriendly country. It's almost impossible to rent with dogs, you can't take them on public transport and more and more you can't exercise them. I have to wonder if these problems play a part in the amount of unwanted dogs in the country.