Service Pack 1 for Vista

kaizersoze

Service Pack 1 for Vista is on it's way. Details here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=090deaf6-2eaa-4aaa-8b3b-2e199db4a97d&displaylang=en

Mac daddy

A minimum of 7 GB free disk space on the system partition for x86-based operating systems and a minimum of 12 GB free disk space for x64-based operating systems.

They got to be kidding.

The service pack will add support for Direct3D 10.1, adding application programming interfaces (APIs)

god's toy

All I want is my EAX to work once more...

8T8

All I want is my EAX to work once more

Not going to happen the audio stack in Vista was completely re-written and is pure software only no hardware acceleration support. If you want EAX then it must go through OpenAL which provides hardware acceleration and EAX support or use Creatives Alchemy app which converts DirectSound API calls in certain games into OpenAL.

The space requirements are reclaimed after it installs I presume it is for emergency backups keeping copies of all system files for restore points etc during the install of the service pack, does not state how much though I suppose it's like with XP when you had the option to remove the backup data of the prior version of Windows.

Installing the service pack will require a large amount of free disk space (7 GB for x86 and 12 GB for x64). However, most of this space will be reclaimed after installation.

AlmightyCushion

Mac daddy wrote:

A minimum of 7 GB free disk space on the system partition for x86-based operating systems and a minimum of 12 GB free disk space for x64-based operating systems.

They got to be kidding.

However, most of this space will be reclaimed after installation.

I'd like to know how much.

tman

I'm asuming that this will be straightforward enough to slipstream on a Vista installation disc...
gonna switch over to a 64 bit version of Vista soon, but might wait until this comes out and kill 2 birds with 1 stone...

god's toy

8T8 wrote:

Not going to happen the audio stack in Vista was completely re-written and is pure software only no hardware acceleration support. If you want EAX then it must go through OpenAL which provides hardware acceleration and EAX support or use Creatives Alchemy app which converts DirectSound API calls in certain games into OpenAL.

The space requirements are reclaimed after it installs I presume it is for emergency backups keeping copies of all system files for restore points etc during the install of the service pack, does not state how much though I suppose it's like with XP when you had the option to remove the backup data of the prior version of Windows.

Yep thanks for your reply, I do have Creatives 'Alchemy' app both the hacked (free one) and the fully paid for one but most of my games still wont work with it, EG Tomb raider Anniversary. Oh well I'll just wait till MS bring out something new in the sound card market as thats the only reason I can see why they did it.


Peace out

8T8

There was a video on Channel9 with the audio devs explaining it from what I can recall as it was quite a while back it boiled down to there being lots of old code hanging around in XP's audio stack it was generally a mess. In order to correct many of the problems with audio in Windows they simply threw everything out and wrote a new audio stack instead.

As for hardware acceleration that was deemed to be a dieing tech and caused as many problems {if not more} as it brought benefits.

Finally the Xbox 360 audio API was ported to Windows through Direct-X and is fully multi-threaded and supports lots of fancy stuff for games so if developers want that they can use it I cant remember the name Xact or Xaudio.

Soundman

god's toy wrote:

Yep thanks for your reply, I do have Creatives 'Alchemy' app both the hacked (free one) and the fully paid for one but most of my games still wont work with it, EG Tomb raider Anniversary. Oh well I'll just wait till MS bring out something new in the sound card market as thats the only reason I can see why they did it.


Peace out

Tomb Raider the game won't work on Vista or just the audio do you mean? If it is the game then there are some settings wrong somewhere as I have that game running fine on Vista. If it is the audio then I misunderstood, apologies.

dingding

tman wrote:

I'm asuming that this will be straightforward enough to slipstream on a Vista installation disc...
gonna switch over to a 64 bit version of Vista soon, but might wait until this comes out and kill 2 birds with 1 stone...

What are the advantages of 64 bit Vista, is it any faster?

god's toy

Soundman wrote:

Tomb Raider the game won't work on Vista or just the audio do you mean? If it is the game then there are some settings wrong somewhere as I have that game running fine on Vista. If it is the audio then I misunderstood, apologies.

It's the audio I mean. The game runs fine but wont run with the Alchemy app. Without it it's two channel only with no EAX. Yep I know it's gone for good... Fine game all the same.

far2gud

dingding wrote:

What are the advantages of 64 bit Vista, is it any faster?

Would be interested to know this too?

8T8

far2gud wrote:

Would be interested to know this too?

In a general sense no for 32-bit apps, some 64-bit apps can benefit a small amount and there are certain specialist software that does get a bigger boost in performance & finally some apps wont benefit at all.

Really depends on the type of app and how it was coded for example the 64-bit Firefox (unofficial) gets very big gains in performance whereas 64-bit Paint.NET make zero difference to the end user.

The biggest benefit 64-bit brings is that the amount of RAM the system can use is greatly increased you can use 4GB+.

dubmick

anyone know when it is out?

god's toy

I read somewhere that it's around March 08 but I dont think it will be that long.. well the beta will be out long before then anyway.

dingding

8T8 wrote:

The biggest benefit 64-bit brings is that the amount of RAM the system can use is greatly increased you can use 4GB+.

Explains why my laptop has 2.5G ram and can only use 2G.

Stephen

They say it'll be out in Q1 2008.
Dingding - a 32 bit machine can use up to 4GB (really about 3.75GB). I reckon your laptop probably shares its system RAM with the graphics card, so that's probably why you're not seeing that other 512mb.

kaizersoze

Beta version due (supposedly) around the middle of next week.

sebastianlieken

beta version is already out, id give a link, but i saw my friend gettin it there yesterday on his own lappy on the net, so dnt know where hes gettin it. look harder

Stephen

Installing beta MS service packs on a machine you need is probably not that clever

kaizersoze

Stephen wrote:

Installing beta MS service packs on a machine you need is probably not that clever

Good advice. I remember the beta of XP SP2. 3 of my machines took it no problem. The 4th one went kinda apesh!t.:)

dulpit

Question: Would any new service packs released by Microsoft be free? I presume they would but just wondering...

I ask because the last 2 pc's i've had, i've never had to get a service pack... (The first was a Windows 98 SE, the second is XP Service Pack 2) I currently have a new laptop with Vista Ultimate...

AlmightyCushion

Yep the service pack would be free.

dulpit

AlmightyCushion wrote:

Yep the service pack would be free.

How bad...

AlmightyCushion

dulpit wrote:

How bad...

I'm lost. What?

dulpit

AlmightyCushion wrote:

I'm lost. What?

That's me saying it's a good thing...

AlmightyCushion

dulpit wrote:

That's me saying it's a good thing...

Oh right.

Kinetic^

sebastianlieken wrote:

beta version is already out, id give a link, but i saw my friend gettin it there yesterday on his own lappy on the net, so dnt know where hes gettin it. look harder

Eh wanna give your buddy a text or something and ask him or if you actually know, PM me so I can have a look.

Ginger

SP1 Beta AFAIK is only availible through MS Connect and its a limited beta test at this stage

Kinetic^