Solid video evidence of reptilians bush, clinton barbara bush

GhostInTheRuins

Thanks for answering my questions. I think that basically answers everything I wanted to know, unless of course there's something you'd like to add?

trentf

nope that about covers everything you should ever need to know lol

Gordon

trentf wrote:

please feel free to disprove all the information i have provided in this and my previous post

Seeing as you haven't disputed my points then I can safely say that I have disproved your lizard theory.

trentf

thats fine gordon whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Gordon

I hate to win my argument without a fight, but ok, I accept victory.

trentf

Its ok if people don't want to believe thats fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But what i would say is look up all the information yourselves. Research it. Especially research scientology which is creepily linked into this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9bCdHqU3s notice the womans account of seeing a reptilian in 4th density form.



Another thing id say is watch for their influence everyday you live your own life you'll see it everywhere in everything they do and you'll be questioning yourself at first but then you'll realise this. Especially watch for their influence in creating confusion and fear in people and making people feel bad. When you see things which make no sense for example someone going around in circles


You will see a lot of this in the top echolon circles of industry, church and goverment which they control. Watch for it yourself see it with your own eyes. Don't just take my word for it. Watch out for documents and writings, questionaires which leave you with a sense of unease, fear confusion.

I keep seeing it everyday even in the documents i deal with and its so blatant to people with the knowledge of whats going on but to the normal lay person it just appears routine. Ever wonder why work you may be doing yourself goes around in circles always seems to be problematic, never seems to get resolved. How people in goverment circles, institutions seem so inept at their jobs or things which they do why defy belief. Its not by accident. When you learn to spot this you learn how to avoid the negative feelings of fear hate confusion which is a food source for them. In fact the old saying the best medicine is laughter is an ampt description of how to deal with their attempts. David Icke is right i think in that regard at least when he says in a video 'ok ok ill play their game and go along with them but wont feed them'. Don't react to their attempts to drag you into hate, argument, fear or confusion.


Lowering your frequency vibration is one of the main goals they have. Lowering your frequecny vibration is a lowering of your own soulforce's connection to the godhead. Lowering someones vibrational frequency weakens their soulforce and thus consequently their own health of the physical deteroiates. This is why sometimes youll hear of someone's health deterioting because of the way they were bullied harrassed or treated by others. The effect of lowering is felt through negative feelings hate anger fear confusion but can also be achieved through lowering the persons field through frequency waves which is why so many people in ireland are up in arms about mobile phone masts in their area and rightly so.

Your own frequency vibration is something you have(mostly) already have experienced.

When your listening to a great piece of music or watching something unfold which touches your very soul you get a spine tingling effect. This spine tingling effect which cannot be explained by modern science is your soul vibrating at a higher frequency. Higher frequencies are achieved through love, selfessless, thinking about others and the abolishment of fear hate, anger, confusion.

In modern medicine the powers that be(them) would have you believe that the solution to modern health problems lie in the expenditure of billions on new drugs, procedures to those who can afford it in order to solve national health crisis. They cause a problem ie heart disease through their own program of chemically altering our very foodsouce then proclaiming to have the solution. There is no place for the belief in body energy chakra's which are infinitly more powerful then any drug ever created. They are dismissed as fantasim. The only culture that seems to have embraced the idea to an extent is the chinese. The body chakra points are directly linked to the soulforce and our the real controller of our health. Thats why sometimes you'lll hear a case of someone beating cancer unexplainably or beating heart disease through the power of positive thought as if they knew they would beat it and they do.

Getting your own body chakra energy points higher can also make you feel better and higher your own vibrational frequencies.

As well as creating fear confusion(phony war on terror) crime etc they use electronic equipment which lowers your vibrational frequencies. These are objects which emit low frequency waves in the 30 kHz–300 kHz range. Items which do this are tv's, mobile phones, computers, certain radios. Ever finish watching tv and wonder why you feel drained of your energy or feel tired after a day watching your computer screen. Thats because you really have been drained of your body energy. The idea behind radition and mobile phones is true except its a ruse the idea of radiation when in fact its the lower of your vibrational frequencies. Once the person has been drained of their body soulforce the less they are in touch with the godhead the less godlike they become and the easier they become to manipulate and control.

The best way to deal with these attempts is to and higher your own frequency vibrational by weening your reliance off these electrical items. Nobody is suggest not me for sure to totally stop using them that would be naieve. Turn your tv off go outside to areas(non urban which are infested with these radio waves and low frequencies) to the countryside and explore whenever is possible. You'll feel a hell of a lot better i gaurantee.

Another less conveniant of increasing your vibrational field is to charge and piece of alumiumum(ie foil) and place it near you. Make sure it is a grounded charge. This will negate the effects of frequency waves. You will almost certainly immediately feel a sense of calm.



Finally for anyone interested i just wish you all luck in your endeavours. Got any questions ill always be here to awnser to the best of my ability. I also would like to learn off of yourselves. We're all here to learn in the end of the day.I think this will also help you greatly break down the control they have over humanity and also to help free and also it will help you on your own mission to grow spiritually and avoid their trappings. Anyone who just want to talk about spirituality thats a way to go too too much focus on negativity is a trapping of them too. Balance is the key. Good luck.

nice1franko

trentf wrote:

Another less conveniant of increasing your vibrational field is to charge and piece of alumiumum(ie foil) and place it near you. Make sure it is a grounded charge. This will negate the effects of frequency waves. You will almost certainly immediately feel a sense of calm.

good old fashion tinfoil hats eh?

nice1franko

trent, I am, in fact, one of the lizard men. since you are on to us I am going to have to come and get you in the middle of the night. not this night, but some night. your good old fashioned tinfoil hat will not deter me. I will make you admit that your claims were a hoax and then eat your mammy for my supper. this is not a joke. please refrain from outing us lizards to anymore of your co-humans. everyone who read this thread will be taken.

regards
larry the loungeroom lizard

MrJoeSoap

nice1franko wrote:

trent, I am, in fact, one of the lizard men. since you are on to us I am going to have to come and get you in the middle of the night. not this night, but some night. your good old fashioned tinfoil hat will not deter me. I will make you admit that your claims were a hoax and then eat your mammy for my supper. this is not a joke. please refrain from outing us lizards to anymore of your co-humans. everyone who read this thread will be taken.

regards
larry the loungeroom lizard

Damn, trentf was right. This is further solid textual evidence of their existance.

trentf

nice1franko wrote:

trent, I am, in fact, one of the lizard men. since you are on to us I am going to have to come and get you in the middle of the night. not this night, but some night. your good old fashioned tinfoil hat will not deter me. I will make you admit that your claims were a hoax and then eat your mammy for my supper. this is not a joke. please refrain from outing us lizards to anymore of your co-humans. everyone who read this thread will be taken.

regards
larry the loungeroom lizard

you sure spent a lot of time thinking up that one didn't you you zany joker you.

But seriously glad to see it in fact because you because yes it is humorous in that you can either cry or laugh about it. Laughing is the best medicine. Keep the positive comments coming : J

Borneo Fnctn

Will someone ban this trentf guy? He's spreading discontentment through the masses. This guys a serious threat to our evil plans. He's like Neo in the Matrix. Oooooooohhhhh he is so cool!:cool:

trentf

My my aren't i the popular one.

Diogenes

trentf wrote:

My my aren't i the popular one.

Trent please. I've avoided commiting on this thread because I feel theres nothing I can say to convince you,

But trent, please listen to this. Please speak to someone you care about and cares about you. Soon. Please.

trentf

You have absolutely nothing to fear. If you believe in yourself and in jesus then you have nothing to fear. The fact is that many of you are reacting in denial and anger. The responses along to the thread say a lot to me. Like i said before and many do not seem to grasp the concept if you don't believe it why would you even bother responding to the thread. One would think that if you thought the facts so unbelievable you would just leave it at that.

It's like you feel the need to convince yourself that it isn't true. I have yet heard one solid retort to all the things i provided. I never said all the things i provided were true but just to open up the debate was all. All i have seen is immaturity. Like i said if you want to debate on a proper adult level im open to it as of yet i haven't seen anything that would prove my original statements untrue

For me ive moved over the reptilian debate and onto a more spiritual/remedies debate but most of you are still stuck on it as if that is all you are obsessed with it. Ive moved on from it if you read back on the thread. Its the original intent i had. Its over for me i already explained all that needs to be explained about it and some of you need to get over it yourselfs.

fear is a normal negative reaction behind many people have to this material but those who have a strong faith system that i have spoken to about this do believe it and just go on living. This subject of all subjects seems to cause a great deal of anger amongst people of all the topics that is brought up. I wonder why that is. If reptilians or demons are following people around in 4th density format and influencing them to do things they would normally otherwise do then for them to be found out would cause them a great deal of anger and confusion. Fear and negative things feed off fear and negative things including this very debate that is going on. Before you respond as i surmise some of you will ask yourselfs the very question why what i say makes you react the way you do.. without much substance to your responses and mostly in denial.

Like i said evil exists just as good does to deny it is to deny yourselfs and a sense of balance can never be achieved through denial. In the end of the day its up to you to figure it out. If you want to beleive it don't if you do do but im not really interested in listening to childish responses. Even having a laugh about it and them is good. I already explained its logical debate im interested in not argument or hissy fits. If your not capable of it then don't bother responding. Its a simple concept some seem to have a problem understanding.

Hobbes

A super zombie who is his own father and demands people praise him through telepathy is our only chance against multi-dimensional lizards that have inflitrated our government to the highest levels.

This has the makings of a great movie.

trentf

Funnily enough you will see a lot of movies coming out that subtly hint at these things including the matrix, terminator movies which was all about how we ourselves are in charge of our own futures and that every person no matter how insignificant has a role to play.

Hobbes

Lets just be thankful you haven't read any lovecraft or Bloch.

Gordon

trentf wrote:

It's like you feel the need to convince yourself that it isn't true. I have yet heard one solid retort to all the things i provided. I never said all the things i provided were true but just to open up the debate was all. All i have seen is immaturity. Like i said if you want to debate on a proper adult level im open to it as of yet i haven't seen anything that would prove my original statements untrue

I disproved you and you haven't debated my points on a proper adult level. You keep saying that you are up for debate but this proves that you lied. Or maybe you are afraid to ask yourself the real questions? You seem to suggest that those that don't believe you are in fear. Or maybe you are trying to convince yourself that what you say is true.

trentf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7xumal-ptQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9bCdHqU3s

some more vids this time scientology and its links with reptilians.

trentf

Gordon wrote:

I disproved you and you haven't debated my points on a proper adult level. You keep saying that you are up for debate but this proves that you lied. Or maybe you are afraid to ask yourself the real questions? You seem to suggest that those that don't believe you are in fear. Or maybe you are trying to convince yourself that what you say is true.

No i never said those that don't believe live in fear i said fear is a normal reaction to the presentation of this material. Also i didn't suggest that people who don't believe it are trying to convince themselves its not real i said i find it funny why people who argue so much despite the fact they don't believe it its almost like they are trying to convince themselves it doesnt exist. Personally i don't care wheither people believe it not everyone has a right to their own opinion. I think ive mentioned that like a million times.

I never said that all the information that i provided was true i don't even know that but most of it is and the following is more information of how it all links up how everything links,

Biblic references, eyewitness accounts of alex collier, phil schneider, stewart swerdlow, al bielek, Bob lazar, dulce underground base security workers, various Area 51 researchers and workers, former nato commander, scientology researchers, cretho mutwa, arizona wilder, princess diana (yes read david ickes book), videos, documents, NDE experiencers, astral plain travellers, scientology researchers and former members,ancient egyptian symbols and references, sumerian tablets and historical documents, NWO links, numerous Ufo abduction cases, construction workers who stumbled on these things in various parts of the united states and recounted their stories.

perhaps you should have a read of how gardai and politicans are also knowing whats going on

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/4469?comment_order=desc&condense_comments=false

research the information yourselves dont just rely on my word for it

http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/

http://stargods.org/ClintonShapeShift.htm




For a myriad more information and because im not the only aware of these beings existance i suggest you go here. Theres plenty of people who don't believe it on that site discussing with people who do. You'll find what your looking for here whether you believe it or not.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

lots of information and explanations of reptilians sightings by people and discussion. Have fun..

humanji

Seriously, stop posting links to sites that have an agenda, and saying it's proof. Of the last few:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/4469?comment_order=desc&condense_comments=false
Is an article written by a user. It's not evidence, it's opinoin.

http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/
This is a site where a guy collects pictures of anything with lizards on it.

http://stargods.org/ClintonShapeShift.htm
Now this one is just funny. A guy gets pictures of people, draws red circles around parts of them and assumes this is evidence enough that lizardmen exist.

There really is no proof that lizardmen exist. This means either A) they're really good at covering their tracks, or they really don't exist.

Can I ask, what was the incontrovertible evidence that made you believe they're real?

trentf

humanji wrote:

Seriously, stop posting links to sites that have an agenda, and saying it's proof. Of the last few:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/4469?comment_order=desc&condense_comments=false
Is an article written by a user. It's not evidence, it's opinoin.

http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/
This is a site where a guy collects pictures of anything with lizards on it.

http://stargods.org/ClintonShapeShift.htm
Now this one is just funny. A guy gets pictures of people, draws red circles around parts of them and assumes this is evidence enough that lizardmen exist.

There really is no proof that lizardmen exist. This means either A) they're really good at covering their tracks, or they really don't exist.

Can I ask, what was the incontrovertible evidence that made you believe they're real?

I never said there was incontrovertible evidence did i? i don't remember saying that. Also i notice you selectively take weak points of the information whilst convientently leaving the more convincing aspects of the information provided.

http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian/
This is a site where a guy collects pictures of anything with lizards on it.

No, hes showing the linkages between all aspects of modern society and the reptilians hence the name.
Its not proof in any way its just to open peoples mind up to the imagery that surrounds us and helps us focus to spot it ourselves.


If there was a smoking gun as you would like then we won't be in here in a forum called conspiracy theories discussing it now would we?

humanji wrote:

Seriously, stop posting links to sites that have an agenda, and saying it's proof. Of the last few:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/4469?comment_order=desc&condense_comments=false
Is an article written by a user. It's not evidence, it's opinoin.


Yes i said it was information not evidence however this was an original lead for the article page which the guy wrote. Yes hes giving his opinion but the page he had his research and findings is no longer up unfortunately. I have read the page in the past and he has done a lot of research into it and what he found was interesting and links up to all of this. His email is on that site if you email him im sure he'll give you all the information he found and researched.

I never said you had to believe it i said all the evidence and theres a lot of it points to a conspiracy being covered up. Whether you choose to believe it or is your perogative and it doesn't make any difference to me. I believe based on all the information i have provided, my own experiences and reams more material available and not provided here that it does obviously. Obviously some people wouldn't be satisfied until one walked right up them and said 'hey im here i exist look at me' which would pretty much end their attempts at influencing us.


They can't take anything from us we have to freely give our freewill to them as god gave to us to do with as we please. So if we choose to let too much earthly pleasures in extreme form take a hold over us then they get control over us and our very souls when we die. They do have an ultimate agenda for man as does god which is the nwo plans for earth ie slaves with them in ultimate control of even the humans but that cannot come to pass unless we let them do it. This is all about us in the end of the day we are the centerstage and we are who determines the path we take. Its our freewill given to us by god which will determine what happens.


This is what the phony war on terror is all about making us give up our personal freedoms to them so they get control over us. They couldnt do it if they just said normally hey were gonna start montoring peoples private information lives, hidden cameras, biometrics because people wouldnt accept it etc so they create a fake enemy and say hey look if you dont do this then al qaida will come get you. Its creating a problem in order to serve their solution agenda. Like i was to create a problem purposefully then all of a sudden claim i had the exact solution. They did come up with a very intensive solution to 911 very quickly don't you think within a day or so..the whole war on terror even had a phrase coined for it quickly.


More and more people are even becoming aware of the fake bin laden tapes and the apparent ease at which media organisations seem to get wind that a 'new bin laden tape' is on the way despite the fact they can't apparently find him. The 911 truth movement is a very interesting site and outlines so much information in terms of eyewitnesses independent experts and photo and video evidence its staggering even if taken from a seperate point of view when you link it up to this it adds even more fuel to the fire. Sure enough bin laden tapes seem to surface most when bush is under severe pressure from the us public about the iraq war when he is and ive noticed this myself up pops another bin laden to conveniently serve as a bullwark for bush's points ie bush will say something along the lines of data security act needing to be introduced meaning peoples private information should be viewed the U.S public will react negatively then up pops a new al qaida threat message from bin laden or one of his cohorts.


I urge you to watch phils video and a man called william cooper who was a former naval intelligence officer and uncovered the truth in documents he seen. He and phil were both murdered. Williams video is particularly interesting in he outlines the real truth behind the kennedy assination,the manipulation of fatima appearance of the virgin mary in portugal and secrets given, cia being involved in drug running to fund black projects and their plan for humanity. Another man who claims to also know the truth about their agenda is john lear son of the creator of the lear jet.


Why do you think bush and co had even decided to invade iraq in 2001/2002. This is a well known fact yet bypasses people like it was nothing. The iraq war ccording to some researchers of this material, astral plain travellers is really about getting hold of the sumerian tablets searching a particular word. The adminstration in the usa is happy to let people even believe it was about oil as a second coverup covering the real coverup. Im a little unsure of the whole sumerian linkage to this but it has to do with the ancient texts contained in sumeria iraq and how this outlines the future of humanity. The material is all there for you to research in more detail if you need to.


If you watch phil schneiders video you would have seen the worrying aspect of the 15 million prisoner carriages built in the 1990s on order from the us government to a us steel based company. Also the utah mining company is listed as well as many other major corporations as being involved in the covert agenda somehow. All one has to do is look at the strange huge NWO paintings and freemasonary objects seen in denver airport which i have linked on my thread and explained here to see the linkage. Phil mentioned years before these strange huge paintings and freemasonary objects were built that this site existed atop of a major underground reptilian base. Some believe this is a direct link to the references of hell being underground as mentioned in the bible. phil, alex collier and many others mention the home planet of the physcial form of reptilian is the alpha centauri star system whilst the 4th density form exist as demons on another dimensional level. Some believe the whole fallen angel theory is linked to this that these are souls whom never got over earthly pleasures and cannot move to the higher dimension spirit levels and thus get trapped in an earthbound state following humans around in a vain attempt to rekindle earthly desires hence the whole body soul possession by demons in the form of reptilians as outlined by many NDE experiencers. A perfect example being this one


http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/000/89.html

The information is all there if you care to look it up and research yourselfs. Phil revealed that the nwo in conjunction with the reptilians are planning to enslave humanity eventually. The plan is to reduce the human population by billions via wars, viruses, earthquakes, weather changes via the Haarp system in heating up the planet to suit reptilian blood which is cold blooded. A lot of terms we use link in to reptilian heritage to a certain point a 'cold blooded killer' really does mean someone devoid of any feelings.

According to phil and others when the population is at a certain level where it is easily controlled he mentioned that then they will show their true form by which it will be too late to stop them. Some believe this was first evidenced with hurricane katrina a test run for larger disasters. The us governement apparently knew about it and was a successfull test for them which explains their pathetic response which was over a 2 weeks too late for many. Also check out the eyewitness accounts of survivors detailing how authorities threatened to rape and kill surivors if they didnt get 'favours' in return.

As some further information to this check out the posting i made whereby another area 51 who got wind of this phoned art bells radio program in 1997 detailing the plot. The link is in an earlier part of this thread. He details this plan and then is cut off. The entire radio station then went off air.


As another piece of information related to all this a man called dr boyd e graves recently uncovered a document proving he says the aids virus was created by the us goverment in a lab and the story of a monkey human transmission of the virus is a facade. He said he accidently uncovered a flowchart of the disease whilst researching documents in us medical archives. The flowchart can be download and viewed here

http://www.boydgraves.com/


http://www.boydgraves.com/flowchart/


when coupled with the water powered cars technology which is being subverted a pattern emerges.



When you take the 'information' and analyse it seperately it appears not much but when you link it all u p a clear pattern and picture emerges even facturing out disinformation. Again these things come in spirit and physical form and can influence peoples actions so you may/may not even be able to see one because of our frequency vibrations which i explained in an earlier part of this thread. Watch the scientology video i provided.

Hey in the end of the day we all hope they don't exist either but just because people hope they don't doesn't make it so. In the end of the day their attempts will not succeed as god will never abandon us and we are in charge of our own destiny as we ourselves are part of god. The key is having a balance in your life. If your in denial of certain things that could be in my opinion not having a balance perhaps im wrong i don't know. As some NDE experiencers have recounted gods ultimate plan for us is for us to be god's ourselves creators of our own universes and life we are on a path and need to open our minds in order to continue on the path. This is what i believe myself and others have mentioned. Ultimately the battle in my opinion from what ive gathered doesn't lie in some administrative area, on streets or in a battlezone the battle lies in each of us individually in our own thoughts actions and our souls.
Thats what this whole battle is about us our very souls and we have the freewill to decide which path we take.

Then again if you approach this from a point of view of outright denial no matter what then the information/experiences i present for debate your just going to deny it anyway so fair enough. If your outlook on life is such that you think everyone is lying about everything and eveything presented is a lie then thats your opinion thats your outlook. I trust my own instincts, intelligence and common sense also in a lot of this and yes i too have factured out a lot of disinformation presented by the other side whom seeks to confuse and set people on the wrong path.

Its inconsequential to me whether you do or you don't in the end of the day thats the beauty of freewill which god gave us all. I guess some people would laugh and ridicule others when people say they believe in jesus too do you yet millions do but have never seen him. If jesus exists then he has even said evil exists so as i said those with a strong faith system don't appear to have much problem understanding what is really going on here. It doesn't take any great stretch of the imagination to understand what its about. Theres an old saying that sums this pretty much up perfectly ' the greatest trick the devil ever played on man was convincing him he didn't exist.

Long post. Food for thought.

Dirty Dave

There is an awful lot of stuff on this board so far, but I'll stick to just 2 questions:

The video of the Alien autopsy from Roswell.
Presumably it is from 1947? If so, why is the a man pictured approximately 1 second from the end with long sideburns? I know sideburns have been around for ages but c'mon! Sideburns! in 1947! on a guy in the army!?? :eek:

Secondly, The geologist in the 70's who discovered an underground base of aliens.

He killed 2 aliens? With what? I dont know any geologists that carry firearms. And 66 Delta Force special forces soldiers went in after and were killed? Why? Surely if this is a cover up by the government they wouldn't send in secret government troops?

How the hell can anybody believe this S**T?

Owen

I love how the people who believe this tripe use the word 'reptilian' in order to make it sound scientific, and factual. It's bloody Lizard People. Oh, and for anyone who believes this sort of drivel? I have a lovely bridge I'd like to sell you.

Oh, and I'm a Lizard man too by the way. We've secretly infiltrated boards. Right now I'm looking outside my window at a crack squad of Gardaí ready to burst in the door and shame me for my evil shape shifting, forum posting ways.

trentf

phil was working as a geologist for the us military at the time. All if not most of govermental employees working for the us military at the time on the program were required to carry firearms regardless of their role. The routine carrying of firearms amongst employees of the us military is not unsual by any means. He was carrying a small firearm as were many of the others carrying firearms at the time a walter ppk.

Again i never said you had to believe it did i. The level of anger being displayed is not neccessary its a discussion not an argument and its just that anger its not even logical. Im not presenting any of this as facts im presenting information. If that annoys you to the extent you feel the need to insult don't bother responding. And the government troops issue yes if they didnt want people knowing what was going on yes i would imagine they would use secret troops no name tags records no questions asked. This is not uncommon and has happened in many other wars in many other places in the world. Phil mentioned once you are employed on this program you waver all rights under penalty of death.

Dirty Dave

Hah! No mention of the man with sideburns eh? I will take that as evidence that I am right about absolutely everthing I say EVER!

trentf

Anything that pleases your own ego is fine by me

Jack Sheehan

People have too much time on their hands. I didn't think Id find anything that tops the 9 11 Conspiracy theories but this take the cake. Lizards? What? Ok the government using a 'false flag' Idea but lizards? Really?

trentf

i can see im dealing with minds of superior intellect and patience here.

please take the time to read my previous comments carefully if you are interested. It will explain what they really are and understand that the whole reptilian theory is an idea created by humans to give meaning to beings they can't understand. A better term would be demons. They exist in spirit and physical form as we do. They are referenced in the bible and ancient sumerian texts the whole adam and eve serpent story for example but many more instances if you care to look them up.

its easy to naysay thats the easiest thing in the world to do. A calm mind is a thinking mind. One in anger is full of just that.

humanji

It's also very easy to claim things and not back them up with even the remotest of evidence. That's why people won't believe anything you've said here. There is no evidence, only webpages by people making wild accusations and claims about others.

So asking people to review the information and make a decision for themselves is a bit pointless, because it just reads like bad fiction.

trentf

firstly a lot of you have commented about the bush is a reptilian video. Your not going to see much on normal view put the video on full screen mode in youtube located at the the side under the video options. It looks like a little button. I think a commenter on the david icke forum put it best in the following comment.


'Some of you people need to catch a fvcking clue... #1 - I've already said that all video can be claimed to be faked... but that this vid is different because it is proshot (nearly all UFO, paranormal video is amateur shot) from one of the largest news stations in the world.

It was shot live i.e. Larry King Live - and so - unless you want to say that CNN themselves... added an effect to this video to fuel a conspiracy theory against the elite who fvcking run CNN... just think about what yer saying for a second... than the video is real.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that... Bush is conscious of his eyes in this video... watch where he rolls his eyes up into his head... and then over to the side... pause as he is rolling his eyes back (both pupils are perfect slits)

So... how many of you have ever done this eye movement? Plus.. when he does this... there is a weird electrical charge in one of this eyes... coincidence? Maybe Bush was working in cahoots with the CNN prankster...

Come on - this video is so unbelievably conclusive... I thought it was faked myself... until I went to CNN's own website and saw the video was the same there... if I couldn't have seen it on CNN's website... than I too - would of always had doubts about its authenticity... because I would have never of known if someone tampered with the footage.

I didn't fully believe in Reptilians until this video... but now - the evidence is there... and I'm 100% convinced... that they're real.

How many people do you think know about the Reptilian Theory or that someone has claimed that Bush shape shifted into a lizard in front of them before i.e. Cathy O'Brien. I had never even heard of Reptilians until about 6 months ago... so I would say it's no where near as widely known as the grey Aliens... and yet - someone at CNN supposedly... spent how much time and money... to add these special effects to the video... and for what? To promote a conspiracy theory (against the elite) that virtually no one has ever heard of before?

One of the reasons I think people have a really hard time wrapping their minds around the Reptilian theory is because of the way they frame it and/or the words they use to describe it.

You can ask a Christian if they believe in demon possession i.e. other dimensional evil energy possessing a human... and they will say yes. But, then you use another word to describe the exact same phenomenon... and they look at you like yer crazy.

George Bush is 100% human... he was born a human and that's why he looks and sounds just like a human... the guy we have come to know, however... is NOT the real George Bush... because at some point he became possessed with this demonic energy... which most certainly changed his personality... and turned him cold-blooded.

Now... if I were to just say... "Hey, George Bush is a shape shifting Reptilian Alien!" Well... I mean Christ... just look at the words I'm using... it sounds like I'm talking sci-fi... because we have been conditioned with certain beliefs and/or understandings about the existence of Aliens... let alone - the shape shifting Reptilian variety that can possess world leaders.

But if I say, "George Bush is possessed by a demon!" Than every Christian out there might have to take a second to think about whether or not that might be true.

See... people are willing to believe in anything so long as they are exposed to it for a long enough period of time. The Bible and Christianity are complete paranormal, sci-fi type stuff... but people who were raised into it... don't even see it like that.

None of you were born with the thought that Aliens are sci-fi and NOT real... you were taught that... and you have accepted that belief without any evidence or proof. Why? Just think about how gullible one has to be... to believe with 100% certainty that something is impossible or doesn't exist. You can NEVER prove something is impossible or doesn't exist... so it's a completely faith-based (improvable i.e. no possible proof) belief... do you see the irony?

It's amazing how people become so conditioned... and so myopic that they completely lose their intrinsic ability to be objective and insightful. Whether you want to believe in Reptilians or not... to say it (or any other theory or idea you have ever heard) is a crazy notion or idea... is a complete failure of one's own ability to think independently of the matrix.

If I were to hold my hand out in front of me... palm facing up - and a ball slowly materialized out of thin air... you would think - that's an illusion... because you don't believe in real magic... and yet - yer entire body... every cell of yer 'physical' existence... literally performed this same exact trick i.e. manifested out of thin air... so tell me - are you just an illusion as well?'

now thats his explanation above whilst i wouldn't use such langauge to describe the events i think hes pretty much spot on his analysis of why people have such difficulty believing it. The bush is a reptilian video is only one piece of information coupled with a lot more i provided. There is even more videos out there if you care to look them out. but this is only one small piece of the jigsaw there is so much more information out there its just a lot of you seem fixated with the visual aspects of this.


Like i said if you choose not to believe then no piece of information will ever convince you unless one of these things stuck his head in front of you and said 'hello there guess what i exist'. Perhaps one day it will. Maybe a good video may convince you maybe if the local news showed them or the national news would you believe it then. Things which don't have good intentions for man don't tend to advertise themselves on the 9 oclock news and let him know.

If you think everyone of these people are lying and thats the view you have on people fair enough some certainly could be but some aren't and even if half of them aren't then something is still going on.

There is a passage in the bible that reads happy are those who have not seen but believe i guess it rings true in this case. When you realise what's going on you become more content in the knowledge of how you can adjust your life and complex things which seem to have no meaning become crystal clear and apparent.

I guess you could walk down to your local church and start beloraging them too about their belief in jesus christ i mean no one has ever seen him he never appeared to anyone and yet millions apon millions believe in him based on textual references written thousands of years ago but they believe with their very life he exists. The things he spoke about and mentioned in the bible that he did are no more extrordinary then the things mentioned here and in fact tie in completely with the bible but they still people believe with their very life jesus exists and he does in my opinion. Why is that do you think?

Perhaps they like me understand there is more going on here then we can comprehend at this point in our existance.
perhaps they realise there is good in the universe as there is bad. Perhaps they know deep down the truth and feel it in their
very soul even when they may have denied the existance of god at certain points of strife in their lives. Maybe they don't need a
smoking gun or jesus christ to appear to him themselves to know he exists. You see these very things manifest themselves in every day you live your life its just you can't at this point recognise it for what it is, when you interact with others when you go about your everyday activites. Thats the thing about it it isn't some faraway thing it affects us at every moment of every second of each day we live in the thoughts choices actions and words we speak.


So whilst its not a stretch for you to believe that good exists(im not sure in your case) its not that evil may. Balance is the key like i said. Or maybe you just believe in nothing that we are all descendants of apes and that we have no soul and are just biological entities. But whatever you choose its not for me to judge you thats your perogative one way or the other you'll eventually figure it all to your own satisfaction. The greatest tool evil has to serve its agenda is denial of its very existance.


There are references to these beings in african culture, hinduism, south america, native american history and various south american and middle eastern religions. Cretho mutwa's accounts are particularly interested and fascinating to hear.

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, to each man themselves but just being aware of it is a help in itself and thats all im really doing.

humanji

trentf wrote:

firstly a lot of you have commented about the bush is a reptilian video. Your not going to see much on normal view put the video on full screen mode in youtube located at the the side under the video options. It looks like a little button.

By enlarging the video in youtube, you're just going to cause more distortion. You're not increasing the resolution, you're merely stretching what already exists to cover a larger area. The only way to be able to properly view the footage at a large resolution is to get the original footage, (which pretty much explains why the clip can't be trusted, even though the guy you quoted says it can).

You see, that's the problem. As I and many others have said, there is no proof. No evidence at all. All there is, are dodgy youtube vidoes, many of which are obviously faked and many others are simple distortions caused by the poor quality of the image. And aparently, that's good enough for you and others to assume that beings from another dimension are invading us. But where's the logic in that? Why blindly believe?

You keep making comparisons to how people can believe in god and the bible, but these are beliefs that have been built up (and enforced) for almost 2000 years. These same beliefs have largely fallen to the wayside as poeple have been educated and are able to analyse their beliefs.

How can people be expected to take on a new belief system that is only backed up by youtube?

Like i said if you choose not to believe then no piece of information will ever convince you unless one of these things stuck his head in front of you and said 'hello there guess what i exist'.

Converesly, if you're depserate to believe, you'll cling to anything and says it's gospel. And if it's proven wrong, your beliefs won't be shaken, you'll cling to something else.

There is a passage in the bible that reads happy are those who have not seen but believe i guess it rings true in this case. When you realise what's going on you become more content in the knowledge of how you can adjust your life and complex things which seem to have no meaning become crystal clear and apparent.

"Ignorance is bliss," is how the phrase goes these days. You say that you're more content when you know what's going on, but you don't know at all. You have made assumptions on questionable evidence and shaping everything you see and hear to fit what you want to believe.

Perhaps they like me understand there is more going on here then we can comprehend at this point in our existance.
perhaps they realise there is good in the universe as there is bad. Perhaps they know deep down the truth and feel it in their
very soul even when they may have denied the existance of god at certain points of strife in their lives. Maybe they don't need a
smoking gun or jesus christ to appear to him themselves to know he exists.

Maybe they're just desperate to have some sort of meaning in an otherwise pointless existence, and the thought of facing the oblivion of death is too much for them.

The greatest tool evil has to serve its agenda is denial of its very existance.

No, it's having good people do nothing. That's what's wrong with the world. People like Bush and his kind don't do anything to help mankind in general, they do things do benefit themselves. And why not? It's human nature to try and survive and they are trying to keep their way of life. If I was rich, I'd want to keep it that way. I doubt I'd go to the extents that they do, but you never know. Just because the rich want to stay rish, too many people assume there is some sort of evil cult trying to take over the world from behind the scenes. It's just trying to clutch at any sort of explanation other than the real one: people are just jerks!

There are references to these beings in african culture, hinduism, south america, native american history and various south american and middle eastern religions. Cretho mutwa's accounts are particularly interested and fascinating to hear.

There's refences to all sorts of beings in all different cultures, most of which match up, but for some reason, it's only the lizardmen that get a mention.

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, to each man themselves but just being aware of it is a help in itself and thats all im really doing.

It's one thing to be aware of possibilities. It's another to assume they're true because of what you read on the internet.

trentf

humanji wrote:

By enlarging the video in youtube, you're just going to cause more distortion. You're not increasing the resolution, you're merely stretching what already exists to cover a larger area. The only way to be able to properly view the footage at a large resolution is to get the original footage, (which pretty much explains why the clip can't be trusted, even though the guy you quoted says it can).

yes the original footage is available on cnn's website why don't you go have a look at it. And the resolution of the video argument. Yes thats true however at an enlarged size even with size pixilation distortion you still see a lot more then at original size.

You see, that's the problem. As I and many others have said, there is no proof. No evidence at all. All there is, are dodgy youtube vidoes, many of which are obviously faked and many others are simple distortions caused by the poor quality of the image. And aparently, that's good enough for you and others to assume that beings from another dimension are invading us. But where's the logic in that? Why blindly believe?

Why don't you proof they don't exist since your obviously so smart at dismissing information. Go on then ill sit back and analyse it. If not then your point is mute. As for beings of another dimension invading i explained clearly what they are they are not aliens and they are not invading however i get the feeling attention to detail is not something you care much for.

You keep making comparisons to how people can believe in god and the bible, but these are beliefs that have been built up (and enforced) for almost 2000 years. These same beliefs have largely fallen to the wayside as poeple have been educated and are able to analyse their beliefs.

Really so you can speak for everyone's belief system can you. What has analysing belief systems got to do with education?. If education is a man made creation which it is then it can be used to justify any point he likes. I think the words your looking for is common sense. Based on my experiences and what a lot of other people have related to me they base their beliefs on deep seated emotions, various situations they have been involved in, experiences, relationships with others incidents they become involved with in or perhaps divine intervention in their lives when they asked. It is their own souls confirming what they may have always known but sometimes or perhaps always denied. Certainly not something to do with education and not something that is so simplistic as to explain in a conspiracy theories forum.

The belief systems people have nowadays are largely a product of what people choose, im not telling anyone to believe it im presenting information, relating my own experiences and letting people make their own mind up, comment, add to or relate their own information. If people choose to add further information or there own experiences which may be totally different im all ears. i would like further discussion on the topics its fine if someone comments they don't believe and states why the info is false but not some guy coming on telling me he doesn't believe(which is fine) then making generalised comments, jibes again and again once his comments are acknowledged of why he thinks everything is faked. Like i said if you don't believe and think everything is faked why would you even bother to continue posting once you made that point and i acknowledged your comments. Is it that you feel the need to satisfy your own ego to get me to admit im in the wrong and then you can claim victory you desperately desire?. Thats called ego and I think this conversation is over. Its really whats best i don't have to listen to you and you don't have to listen to me everyone's happy.

How can people be expected to take on a new belief system that is only backed up by youtube?

Backed up by youtube?. I have provided a lot more links other then youtube if you'd care to have a look. And there is a lot of information outside of youtube available if you'd care to look it up. But i get the feeling thats not your real motive. Its just for visual based people such as yourself its easier for them to focus on something they can see rather then textual based references. You may not believe what i posted but don't exaggerate or outright lie about something so as to back up your points. Also if you bothered to read the other posts youll note this is all tied in to the bible so no its not a new belief system its something that always existed.

Converesly, if you're depserate to believe, you'll cling to anything and says it's gospel. And if it's proven wrong, your beliefs won't be shaken, you'll cling to something else.

im not desperate to believe it i do believe it im not forcing anyone else to believe it either because like i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im just making information to people who may not be aware of it and may be interested in it. I came across this information based on personal experiences i didn't seek it because i felt i needed something to cling to life. Thats a good excuse to use because something you entirely disagree with what someone else does just ridicule them and blame it on their need to find something to cling to in life. Not all people have such a desperately dull and materialistic view of life as say people such as yourself.

"Ignorance is bliss," is how the phrase goes these days. You say that you're more content when you know what's going on, but you don't know at all. You have made assumptions on questionable evidence and shaping everything you see and hear to fit what you want to believe.

Thats nice to hear but then thats your opinion not mine. The fact is i don't know if the videos are real you don't either unless you know the guy faked it for sure which the original cnn lead shows he did not. So one with say of average intelligence would assume that it is real. Or do you just view everything in life as being faked. Thats not discussion of the topics thats discussion of why you think all the topics are fake which shows me you aren't actually interested in really discussing it all all. Do you really think all these people have so much free time they just decided to ruin their reputations to go public with this information. Perhaps they did fake it is all the other information leads to the same point and that just doesn't happen by coincidence. Outside of this i know from personal experiences that this exists and no comment you can make about fake information is ever going to change that. Yes thats my interpretation of it what else would i be doing on a forum. But fair enough you don't believe it, many others don't and your entitled to your opinion

As for shaping information im presenting my own interpretations and others of the information im not shaping it it could be interpreted as entirely differently by someone else that doesnt mean the original information is incorrect. By shaping your implying im trying to change the information to influence people based on my own beliefs. Someone else may look at the information and say hey you know what i think this means that and so on. Still does not negate the original information at all. I said already i don't care if people believe it or not.

Maybe they're just desperate to have some sort of meaning in an otherwise pointless existence, and the thought of facing the oblivion of death is too much for them.

No im pretty much comfortable with death regardless of whether or not it is just oblivion. If thats what lies ahead thats what lies ahead but if you think of all that is man and now even scientists are admitting the idea of some sort of intelligent design behind the universe id rather be aware of it then stuck in oblivion like you are likely to become in my opinion. Its like i may be wrong but then thats it im wrong nothing happens(which i certainly don't believe) but id rather be prepared for whatever challenges lie ahead.

No, it's having good people do nothing. That's what's wrong with the world. People like Bush and his kind don't do anything to help mankind in general, they do things do benefit themselves. And why not? It's human nature to try and survive and they are trying to keep their way of life. If I was rich, I'd want to keep it that way. I doubt I'd go to the extents that they do, but you never know. Just because the rich want to stay rish, too many people assume there is some sort of evil cult trying to take over the world from behind the scenes. It's just trying to clutch at any sort of explanation other than the real one: people are just jerks!

Again your opinion and your welcome to it. My opinion is everything happens for a reason. Man didnt just pop out of thin air, man
didn't just develop emotions such as love, deep emotion feelings, care for his fellow man, anger, hatred, lust. We are more spiritual
then physical the physical body is just another step to the spiritual level dimensions we are all destined for including yourself. From your point of view of the universe that eveything is just that then nothing makes sense absolutely nothing and the laws of physics aren't based on nothing are they they are based on intelligent design. The lessons you learn in life are there for a reason i urge you to even ask for help you'll get it then you'll know and see for yourself. To deny is to deny your very essence a slap in the face of who you truly are. Perhaps the world has influenced man so much that he now believes only the physical. The physical is a learning lesson a lesson that could only be learnt by our pre birth spirits in physical form thus we choose our bodies our families to learn these lessons. Karma really does exist hence the saying no bad deed will go unpunished. Remember the love you withhold is the pain that you carry.

There's refences to all sorts of beings in all different cultures, most of which match up, but for some reason, it's only the lizardmen that get a mention.

already explained this in previous post.

It's one thing to be aware of possibilities. It's another to assume they're true because of what you read on the internet.

again already explained this in previous post if you cared to read it.

Your not saying anything new this is just going in circles i can accurately predict what your next response will be, your not adding new to the conversation i already established from your jibes etc that you don't believe and i acknowledged that, now your only satisfying your own ego. In fact your asking the same questions after i explain it in posts. I can understand someone coming back saying they don't believe it questioning the information, perfectly understandable but someone just going over the same point again and again in order to satisfy their own ego is quite pointless so do yourself and myself a favour don't bother.

The fact that you mentioned lizardmen in some of my other postings and in this too after i explained why that term is ridiculous multiple times shows me your more interested in getting your jollies then discussing things maturely. Here endith the conversation.

humanji

trentf wrote:

yes the original footage is available on cnn's website why don't you go have a look at it. And the resolution of the video argument. Yes thats true however at an enlarged size even with size pixilation distortion you still see a lot more then at original size.

Sadly, I won't be able to check the cnn footage til later as, for some reasonCNN is blocked at work, yet boards isn't. I won't bother questioning the IT dept's reasons for that.

Why don't you proof they don't exist since your obviously so smart at dismissing information. Go on then ill sit back and analyse it. If not then your point is mute.

The onus isn't on me to disprove anything. The point I'm trying to get at is that there doesn't appear to be any evidence to say anything you clim is true. So I'm wondering how you can come to this conclusion. Now I'm quite aware from the hostility in the rest of the post, you're assuming I'm having a go at you liek most other poster here, but I'm not. I actually do want a discussion about this, but I just wanted to know where you're coming from, and why/how you came to believe what you do.

Really so you can speak for everyone's belief system can you. What has analysing belief systems got to do with education?. If education is a man made creation which it is then it can be used to justify any point he likes. I think the words your looking for is common sense. Based on my experiences and what a lot of other people have related to me they base their beliefs on deep seated emotions, various situations they have been involved in, experiences, relationships with others incidents they become involved with in or perhaps divine intervention in their lives when they asked. It is their own souls confirming what they may have always known but sometimes or perhaps always denied. Certainly not something to do with education and not something that is so simplistic as to explain in a conspiracy theories forum."

The point I was trying to make (but admittedly phrased it poorly) was that compared to hundreds of years ago (and mabe as recently as within the last century), people didn't have the same education as they did today. With all the scientific advances, our understanding of the world has increased and as people became more educated, they were more able to understand their world around them and to decided what they do and do not believe. Maybe, as result of this, some people came to the conclusion that god(s) must exist because of how amazing the world is, and others came to the opposite conclusion.

i would like further discussion on the topics not some guy coming on telling me he doesn't believe(which is fine) then making generalised comments again and again once his comments are acknowledged of why he thinks everything is faked. Like i said if you don't believe and think everything is faked why would you even bother to continue posting once you made that point and i acknowledged your comments. Is it that you feel the need to satisfy your own ego to get me to admit im in the wrong and then you can claim victory you desperately desire?. Thats called ego and I think this conversation is over. Its really whats best i don't have to listen to you and you don't have to listen to me everyone's happy.

Now this just goes into a personal attack because you think I'm out to get you. You see, I don't believe any of the links you've provided, show anything. And you complain about me still being here. Well, why are you here? You are doing the exact same thing as me, except from the opposite side of the argument.

Backed up by youtube?. I have provided a lot more links other then youtube if you'd care to have a look. And there is a lot of information outside of youtube available if you'd care to look it up. But i get the feeling thats not your real motive. Its just for visual based people such as yourself its easier for them to focus on something they can see rather then textual based references. You may not believe what i posted but don't exaggerate or outright lie about something so as to back up your points. Also if you bothered to read the other posts youll note this is all tied in to the bible so no its not a new belief system its something that always existed.

My comment was more a generalisation than a comment directed at your beliefs. If I were to change anything, I'd add " and web links" to the end, and that's all. And it is a new belief system. The bible is full of metaphors that religious scholard through out the ages have picked and chosen over there meanings and their relevance.

im not desperate to believe it i do believe it im not forcing anyone else to believe it either because like i said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im just making information to people who may not be aware of it and may be interested in it. I came across this information based on personal experiences i didn't seek it because i felt i needed something to cling to life. Thats a good excuse to use because something you entirely disagree with what someone else does just ridicule them and blame it on their need to find something to cling to in life. Not all people have such a desperately dull and materialistic view of life as say people such as yourself.

Actually, what I was saying there was that people who a desperate to believe are just as bad as those who are desperate not to believe. You said: "Like i said if you choose not to believe then no piece of information will ever convince you unless one of these things stuck his head in front of you and said 'hello there guess what i exist'." which is just the same as what I said to you, but phrased differently.

Thats nice to hear but then thats your opinion not mine. The fact is i don't know if the videos are real you don't either unless you know the guy faked it for sure which the original cnn lead shows he did not. So one with say of average intelligence would assume that it is real.

Well, no. Someone with average intellegence will weigh up the pros and cons of the video and decide for themselves if it is real or not.

Outside of this i know from personal experiences that this exists and no comment you can make about fake information is ever going to change that.

But that's what I'm getting at. I want to know why you believe. I genuinely do. Not to make fun of you. Not to say I'm better than you for not believing. Not for any other reason than to understand where you're coming from.

By shaping your implying im trying to change the information to influence people based on my own beliefs. Someone else may look at the information and say hey you know what i think this means that and so on. Still does not negate the original information at all. I said already i don't care if people believe t or not.

Well what I was saying is that if you believe something, then when things happen, you fit them into your view of the world. For example, if I see a rain cloud and feel drips fall on me, I'm going to assume that it's raining. For yourself, if you are presented with some sort of evidence toward your beliefs, then you would side with it being real evidence, even if you analyse it correctly, you're still going to assume it's real until proven false. Where as I'd be on the other end assuming false until proven real.

Your not saying anything new this is just going in circles i can accurately predict what your response will be, your not adding new to the conversation i already established from your jibes etc that you don't believe now your only satisfying your own ego.

The exact same can be said of yourself.

In fact your asking the same questions after i explain it in posts. I can understand someone coming back saying they don't believe it questioning the information, perfectly understandable but someone just going over the same point again and again in order to satisfy their own ego is quite pointless so do yourself and myself a favour don't bother.

You aren't answering anything, or else you've misunderstood my question and I've misunderstood your answer.

The fact that you mentioned lizardmen in some of my other postings and in this too after i explained why that term is ridiculous multiple times shows me your more interested in getting your jollies then discussing things maturely.

Even though you've explained different desciptions of what these beings are, the simple fact is that if they are real, they are more a kin to lizardmen than anything else. Many of your videos and links refer to them as lizardmen, so why shouldn't I. If you, for some reason, take offence at it then that's your problem, not mine.

trentf

You need to sit back and think about what i said instead of thinking how to retort. Good luck.

trentf

This is turning into a percieved personal issue regardless of who said what and thats not the original goal of my thread. Im perfectly fine with you not believing im happy for you to have your own opinion thats a very good thing. I guess that we'll just agree to disagree.

In the end of the day we are all learning thats what life is all about regardless of what truths lie where etc.

Ciaran500

trentf wrote:

yes the original footage is available on cnn's website why don't you go have a look at it. And the resolution of the video argument. Yes thats true however at an enlarged size even with size pixilation distortion you still see a lot more then at original size.

CNN also use pretty low quality streaming, better than youtube but not conclusive. How come there are no 480p TV rips available for any of these?

trentf

i dunno i know some guy got the original feed from cnn in that size. You can order it from them and watch it yourself.

Jack Sheehan

can somone end this? Were arguing over whether someone is a lizard. This is nonsensical.

trentf

correct above poster it is ridiculous arguing over it. This will happen however when you bring controversial subjects up. Im not for arguing and to be honest anyone who doesn't believe it im cool with that so be it.

Gordon

trentf wrote:

You need to sit back and think about what i said instead of thinking how to retort. Good luck.

Way to skirt humanji's points completely, as you have done with mine. You don't want to answer any probing questions, why is that? Do certain people not want you to say something, are you holding back for some other reason trentf?

trentf

skipping probing questions? Your assuming im hiding something or have something to hide. What you see in this case read is what you get if your looking for awnsers as to why you react this way to what i say then the real problem is not about what im saying but your own problem with with what im saying. I mean one would assume once you laughed it off as impossible then that would be the end of it. If you legitimate questions ill awnser however if those questions involve jibes personal attacks and repeating the same questions even when awnsered again and again then the conversation is going nowhere.

If the awnsers you get from me don't satisfy you then the awnsers your looking for don't lie with me they lie with yourself as i explained clearly already.

Theres a difference between debate and argument and ego battles. I explained very early on in the forum that i would like debate and not this to turn into a battle of wits and ego unfortunately it did but it wont again regardless of the amount of baiting done.

If i responded once in kind it would be once and not again. Im not getting drawn into any further argument sessions simple as. I already said that. Take it anyway you like.

Its obvious yourself and your friend are not interested in debate. If you were you'd ask a question legimately seek an awnser perhaps counter with your own view but what would be no need for personal attacks etc. I dont skip anyones questions ill awnser where a legitimate question is asked ie in a civillised fashion.

If your looking for a punching bag then the local gym might be a better place to find one.

Anybodys questions they have asked i have awnsered if they asked in a civillised fashion its a simple concept to understand.

Gordon

trentf wrote:

skipping probing questions. Theres a difference between debate and argument and ego battles. I explained very early on in the forum that i would like debate and not this to turn into a battle of wits and ego unfortunately it did but it wont again regardless of the amount of baiting done.

Debate is a battle of wits. And ego will always be involved in a debate, as the very nature of debate requires a person to hold their own views and prove/disprove them. Maybe you think that debate means: one person states something - everyone else questions him - he answers questions and proves his point. Or maybe you think that the definition of debate is: One person asks something, the other person asks something, the first person asks something else, the other person asks something different. ad finitum.

Ok, previously I stated my thoughts on your ideas.

Gordon wrote:

Hilarious!

His eyes are looking down and his jaw opened to the side! He's a lizard! I can explain that one - he simply opened his jaw and looked down. Or he tried to hide a yawn.

As for the rest of the lizard eyes - have a look for another thread on this forum concerning this exact same point. In my opinion - they are not lizard eyes but light reflecting off the eyeballs.

According to your definition of debate - I will change my original post:

(ref-url) I see that his eyes are looking down and his jaw opened to the side. I postulate that he simply opened his jaw and looked down, or it also looks like he tried to hide a yawn. I say this because I have seen people do this facial contortion before, I can even do it in the mirror myself. I'm sure Jim Carrey could do it too rather easily. My question also is, why do you think that this facial move is impossible? It is in the realms of human movement isn't it? It must be if I myself make this movement rather easily.

As for the rest of the lizard eyes - have a read of another thread on this forum concerning this exact same point. In my opinion - they are not lizard eyes but light reflecting off the eyeballs. Here is my post that I made in that thread concerning this topic, I would appreciate your comments on it trentf. Do you believe that it could be down to lighting? That's my question for this debate.

Its obvious yourself and your friend are not interested in debate. If you were you'd ask a question legimately seek an awnser perhaps counter with your own view but what would be no need for personal attacks etc. I dont skip anyones questions ill awnser where a legitimate question is asked ie in a civillised fashion.

OK, then please answer my legitimate questions in this thread. Also, I would be very happy indeed to answer any of your legitimate questions if they are asked in a civilised fashion. Please feel free to question me on anything you are unsure of.

Thanks.

Jack Sheehan

Ah trent i think you misunderstand me. I think that its nonsensical because ther is no such thing as lizard people. You have no evidence, no reason to believe apart form some looky-loo videos. I sincerely believe anyone who believes in this is very very weird.

trentf

should we start to get into a debate about what a debate is?
lol. Ok but really thats going round in circles something i wish to avoid.


Obviously debate involves opposing viewpoints no problem with that whatsoever as i have stated many times before. But the personal attacks, jibes and asking the same questions over and over again have no place in debate forum's in my opinion much less would they be accepted in public debating forum's under forum rules. So if we can agree on that yes im happy to discuss talking points no matter what they are.

As to your reptilian question is it him yawning maybe it is, is it lights reflecting off his eyeballs quite possible it is, does eyes form slits and change colour in a interview as well as forked tongue appear at certain points in the video, can he speak without moving his mouth its all possible never said it wasn't however i still think hes a reptilian based on what i already know and what i witnessed him do in the video at certain points with his eyes. Simple as and im not going to change my mind about that as i have viewed this video and the original feed many many times at least over 100 in full view with others present all watching at the same time.

There are a lot more intracies of this video if you watch in detail and go through second by second that i never seen any human do before

Also cathy obrien account of seeing him shapeshift into a reptilian before her eyes in the 1980's way way before this video was made is another source of information. Theres a lot more people who explain the intracies of this video on the internet if you search them up and they explain a lot more even then i seen in it. People need to stop focusing on this video however because its only tiny small piece of information in the whole theory there is so much more. Its just because its visual do people mention it.

I also urge to look up al bieleks invisibity photograph taken in the 1980's of bush standing on a beach with a security invisible holding a rod. Very interesting photo considering there was no software available at the time to do it.

Gordon

Thank you for finally addressing my points.

trentf wrote:

As to your reptilian question is it him yawning maybe it is, is it lights reflecting off his eyeballs quite possible it is, does eyes form slits and change colour in a interview as well as forked tongue appear at certain points in the video, can he speak without moving his mouth its all possible never said it wasn't

OK, so you aren't sure if this is actually his reptilian eyes and lizard shapeshift at the timeframe on the video that I am talking about? But you say that there are other points in the video that prove it more strongly? Is that correct?

however i still think hes a reptilian based on what i already know and what i witnessed him do in the video at certain points with his eyes. Simple as and im not going to change my mind about that as i have viewed this video and the original feed many many times at least over 100 in full view with others present all watching at the same time.

There are a lot more intracies of this video if you watch in detail and go through second by second that i never seen any human do before

What exact points on the video are you talking about here? I look and I see none. Can you please jot down the precise times on the youtube video that shows Bush doing things with his face that you have never seen anyone do before? Many thanks.

Also cathy obrien account of seeing him shapeshift into a reptilian before her eyes in the 1980's way way before this video was made is another source of information. Theres a lot more people who explain the intracies of this video on the internet if you search them up and they explain a lot more even then i seen in it. People need to stop focusing on this video however because its only tiny small piece of information in the whole theory there is so much more. Its just because its visual do people mention it.

That's unbelievable. Someone actually saw him shapeshift? Did you post a link to her story? If so I missed it as I was believing that you weren't addressing my points, hence I didn't read your subsequent points. I would love to read an article written by Cathy Obrien concerning seeing Bush shapeshift into a lizard.

I also urge to look up al bieleks invisibity photograph taken in the 1980's of bush standing on a beach with a security invisible holding a rod. Very interesting photo considering there was no software available at the time to do it.

Now that I wanna see. Post the picture up here for everyone to have a look at can you please? I would love to see that picture. By software you mean that Photoshop wasn't around then right? Or are you talking about video software? I don't understand without the image to see.

Thank you, feel free to ask me any questions you have.

GLaDOS

Can't say I'v read everything, skipped over parts, so apologies if I'm repeating somebody elses point, anyway
1)If the reptilians control someone as powerful as George Bush how come all this conclusive evidence is allowed to stay up on the internet?
2)You say we cannot see these reptilians because the vibrate at higher/lower frequencies, if this is the case how can we see Bush's reptilian eyes and other shape-shifting properties?

Steven

Is this the plot to some new run of "The Invisibles" that I wasn't aware of?

trentf

Excellent questions


ill address both at the same time.

but first noone has been able to explain the following in the video which is on the cnn feed and the you tube link

first part

at second 00:34 to 00:35 left eye flashes from left to right and a noise is heard

that noise sounds occurs exactly as his eyes both of them flash left to right. Also one the original cnn feed at certain points both his eyes are different colours at the same time one is green the other blue and its not lighting effects either because the colour would be the same his pupils change colour.

since when do vertical slits appear when somone yawns at that point in the video you can also clearly see a forked tongue if you look full screen mode. this appears a number of times. Also at certain points one eye will flicker from left to right whilst the other stays perfectly in position at another point he talks i paused it and no words come from his mouth which is very weird and this is all in real time watch it yourself. I already posted the times on the video i said watch it in full screen mode and then check the times on the video. Im not going to spoonfeed you but here since you asked.



0:02..

035 reptilian eye flick in perfect vertical shape perfect slits pause after he blinks 3 times.

:50 look his left eye

2:21

2:30...

2:38-2:40 to end

0.41 right eye completely green


as to the 2 questions by steven excellent questions ones i asked myself
1)If the reptilians control someone as powerful as George Bush how come all this conclusive evidence is allowed to stay up on the internet?

reptilians are demons essentially they can control people when people let them ie they may choose to get addicted to drugs alcohol, sex lust, power hungry greed etc when they come into that state reptilians can enter peoples bodies and take control of them even to the point of mind manipulation. They do not nor will they ever be able to control a persons freewill we have to give it to them. They cannot control the flow of information unless we let them ie laws passed etc if we vote to restrict the flow of information based on their policies then this information would be restricted. The us government is already trying to restrict the ownership of the internet based on their beliefs of how it should be run no doubt a lot of this information is seen by them as being 'the lunatic fringe' and tolerated for the moment. So confident are they that this information is seen as just that like most peoples reaction's in here they don't even bother to restrict it. But if enough of it spread and became widespread they will no doubt have concerns about it.
They also exist in physical form and masquerade in the form of aliens when this is not what they really are or this is what they are but
they are under control of fallen angels whom god cast from his side according to the bible and ancient sumerian texts.
The physical form of reptilian have been witnessed by many people all of whom i have already listed on previous posts in this thread. They too are involved in manipulating the human race but more to do with abducting them carrying out weird experiments as listed by former security workers at dulce underground base etc. A lot of miners, construction workers have relaid stories about encountering these things underground and a few photos on the internet exist some of whom's authenticity is not verified.

The important thing to remember is they cannot take anything from you unless you freely give it up to them thats the way god created it he gave us our freewill to do with as we choose we can choose evil or good it's all up to us. In the end of the day the reptilians/demons have to abide even by god's laws as he is the ultimate creator of the universe. Im not sure i should be even referring to the godhead as he more like a universal force which we are all a part of. The reptilians use of our physical limitations of our bodies to trap us in their mindset if you understand ie lust, greed, etc. Thats the only way they can manipulate us they can't go against god's freewill that he gave us because god could destroy them but they can use our own freewill to get control over us which is what they are all about. That is such a simplistic way of me explaining it because its much more complex some nde was explaining it as a force which exists which cannot exist without darkness and light and darkness is a manifold of light itself and feeds off it in the matrix enivornment if you can understand that. However we should not get caught up in either or we ourselves go out of balance. Thats why the universal law of allowance is key ie freewill.



2)You say we cannot see these reptilians because the vibrate at higher/lower frequencies, if this is the case how can we see Bush's reptilian eyes and other shape-shifting properties?


Yes this is true we cannot see the spirit reptilians in their true form because they are operating on a lower 4th dimension form but they do follow people around trying to influence them it is up to you and you alone whether they can influence or even get pocession of you based on your own actions, thoughts and things you do. Simple as that. When they do get control over people you will them manifest themselves in not only that persons actions ie the whole idea i said about people commenting some guys personality totally changed when he turned to drug abuse alcohol abuse etc. This was relayed to NDE experiencers as well as alex collier and many other astral plain travellers. The story of the excorcist is a true one also.

As regards the video someone had mentioned that you can spot the reptilian/demon form on video as the entity becomes nervous when faced with the truth and begins to manifest its true form. At certain points in the bush reptilian video it is almost as if hes trying to hold form. Now im not saying bush is an evil man thats such a simplistic way of looking at it he may have been a good man but power hunger, greed etc may have lead him to become infested with this being. Some think the all the illumanti leaders are and as a result can get along with the physical form reptilians without the fear and curiousity normal humans would.

Read cathy obrien's account of what she witnessed bush senior do. Also look up the scientology video i linked here and watch it in full to see how this is all linked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7xumal-ptQ

also if you haven't already look at all the information links i provided so far in your own time obviously because there is a lot there. Got any future questions don't hesitate to ask.

Thats my awnser to your question i know more information on the above i just can't remember it at this time. Personally i think these things days of manipulating the human race is coming to an end 2012 being an important date, the iraq war opposition, the enviromental push by peoples all over the world, people are starting to wake up to this and are acting accordingly in their own way. Alex collier and various nde's mentioned this is because the earths(also a living entity) magnetic field is changing and as a result our vibrational frequency is changing and we ourselves are moving to a more enlightened form of existance which happens when we die anyway. I guess its hard but the best way to deal with this is maintain a balanced view on things and not lean totally one way or the other the key is balance as i stated before go on with your lives, don't worry about this as your in control in the end and in charge of your own destiny.

trentf

here ill go one better ill post you some still images from the video take a look. Ive even posted some forked tongue image stills from the video which appear nearly every second of the video a lot but i guess thats lighting effects too eh gordon. Looks a lot like our old friend donald rumsfield in image 1 which explains the whole reptilian bloodlines theory if you look it up.