hahahaha the ps3 is dead!!!

Jack Sheehan

My jesus i own an xbox 360 and this thread makes me embaressed. Were not all like this I swear! *goes and has a bit of a cry*

super_furry

super_furry wrote:

Haze will also be released on the 360.

No it isn't. Its a PS3 exclusive now.

Zapp Brannigan

super_furry wrote:

Haze will also be released on the 360.

Nah, they canned it for the 360 and PC.

Nailz

Tis right, but I forget why though...

iBoards

Jack Sheehan wrote:

My jesus i own an xbox 360 and this thread makes me embaressed. Were not all like this I swear! *goes and has a bit of a cry*

Exactly. I own a 360, PS3 and Wii. Personally I think both the 360 and PS3 are great consoles.

My 360 has never had any hardware problems and it's a launch machine, so in my experience it's been just as reliable as my import USA ps3.

Wii of all the three consoles has dissapointed me the most, both software wise, and with issues like region lockout, firmware breaking my freeloader so can no longer play my old import cube titles on it.

But I'm sure Mario Galaxy will rekindle my love with it.



All three consoles have there strengths and weaknesses, and if you have the € yoyo, then all three can live in harmony (just a shame some of the owners can't)




HAZE : Whats the big deal ?

oh and in regards to HAZE. Did anyone see GamerTV last week and their big HAZE preview. Sorry but HAZE is looking like utter crap tbh! Graphically its very week, animation was stilted, very poor effects and overall it just looked utterly generic. Reminded me of RedFaction graphically. So whilst Killzone 2 looks like it's going to redeem itself, Haze is looking brutally bad.

Zapp Brannigan

Everything I've seen of Haze looks fantastic. You must have been watching some very poor quality vids as the game looks fantastic.
Par example: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24377.html

projectmayhem

iBoards wrote:

HAZE : Whats the big deal ?

oh and in regards to HAZE. Did anyone see GamerTV last week and their big HAZE preview. Sorry but HAZE is looking like utter crap tbh! Graphically its very week, animation was stilted, very poor effects and overall it just looked utterly generic. Reminded me of RedFaction graphically. So whilst Killzone 2 looks like it's going to redeem itself, Haze is looking brutally bad.

as far as haze goes right now it looks a bit of a dogs dinner. nice ideas there alright, but the execution isn't there. though the team behind it are people i would trust, and i hear the build they've been showing is actually months old (no idea why they're doing that).

watch the vids from leipzig... it looks disgraceful... but apparently doesn't play that way "now"

longtimer

CAn sombody explain the whole GTA missing 2 levels? Since when is GTA played by levels?

CiDeRmAn

Isn't it to do with downloadable content?
I just reckon it sucks that the 360 version of GTA4 gets delayed because of difficulties with the PS3 version of the same game, not fair I tell you.
I'd rather play Manhunt 2 myself!

projectmayhem

longtimer wrote:

CAn sombody explain the whole GTA missing 2 levels? Since when is GTA played by levels?

there will be extra mission packs released for 360 over xbox live because Microsoft bought a deal with Rockstar Games...

CiDeRmAn wrote:

I just reckon it sucks that the 360 version of GTA4 gets delayed because of difficulties with the PS3 version of the same game, not fair I tell you.

that's not the reason it was delayed. it's a business reason to do with the fiscal year with take2, who are in some big financial woes right now, but if they release GTA now, they'll be splitting the revenue between this and next years fiscal reports. if they release next year they get all of the revenue in one fiscal year, and thus reap the rewards and make themselves look very nice for their investors.

User45701

I dont like sony, They are using bluray which i consider to be of inferiro technology

There are reports of blu-ray discs rotting/rusting and even tho sony have very nicely offered to replace any discs it happens to this means 2 things

1.They have pissed off people waiting for sony to send a replacement game]

2.NOONE in the I.T Industry has any plans to use blu-ray as storage because who would take the risk of there data rotting/rusting?

They can get HD DVD's much MUCH cheaper than that sony blu-ray bollox and the HD hold 30 GB you can buy 5 HD DVD's for the price of one Blu-Ray

That means you can hold 150GB on HD Disc for the same price as holding around 50GB on a disc that might rust...

Sony have lost the format war and the console war along with it, why do you think sony said it would be over a decade before they even started working on the next next gen console?

culabula

User45701 wrote:

I dont like sony, They are using bluray which i consider to be of inferiro technology

There are reports of blu-ray discs rotting/rusting and even tho sony have very nicely offered to replace any discs it happens to this means 2 things

1.They have pissed off people waiting for sony to send a replacement game]

2.NOONE in the I.T Industry has any plans to use blu-ray as storage because who would take the risk of there data rotting/rusting?

They can get HD DVD's much MUCH cheaper than that sony blu-ray bollox and the HD hold 30 GB you can buy 5 HD DVD's for the price of one Blu-Ray

That means you can hold 150GB on HD Disc for the same price as holding around 50GB on a disc that might rust...

Sony have lost the format war and the console war along with it, why do you think sony said it would be over a decade before they even started working on the next next gen console?

Who's this Noone character?

TelePaul

User45701 wrote:

why do you think sony said it would be over a decade before they even started working on the next next gen console?

Honestly? Product life cycle. PS3 is still in its absolute infancy. Consider the R&D, production, marketing and distribution costs. Now consider a products lifespan; introduction, growth, maturity, saturation, decline.

Profits happen in stages 2, 3 and 4. Rapidly in 2 and 3, less so in 4 where product harvesting occurs; sometimes, a firm will do what Microsoft have done and re-hash a product to maximise sales prior to decline (x box elite, PS 2 slim case design, PSP lite)

It'd be foolish of a firm to abandon profit-harvesting of a product it has spent serious time and money developing - product lifespan will generally increase until next-gen technologies are widely available and market trends are properly analysed; an example of the latter would be the possible widespread adoptance of a consolidated entertainment system (though time will tell).

In short.....profit. It's all about profit.

CiDeRmAn

The PS3 will probably be the ultimate format winner in the next 2 years, the name is as synonymous with gaming as Hoover is to vacuuming, the 360 is doing great as is the Wii but I reckon we'll see this slump in Sonys fortunes over before too long, this Christmas to be precise.
The PSP is the real Donkey with a Cough waiting to be taken out and shot, or more exactly, the UMD, that format is dead on its feet, that machine needs to go DL only, Sony should bung in a decent sized flash drive, then use their online shop to sell games, a better plan, just follow the iTunes example, the machine will be lighter, cheaper and the games will cost less, no need to produce expensive drives and media, simple. Even a cart would be a better choice than those UMD things.

User45701

culabula wrote:

Who's this Noone character?

I was refering to anyone who works in the I.T industry.

AnCapaillMor

User45701 wrote:

2.NOONE in the I.T Industry has any plans to use blu-ray as storage because who would take the risk of there data rotting/rusting?

Any half decent IT company who backs up important data on bluray\hd-dvd\DVD or Cd deserves to lose their data. Storage and raid is so bloody cheap now. the only way a cd or DVd will be used now is to temporarily store while you move it from one system to another. Usb sticks are great.

savemejebus

User45701 wrote:

I was refering to anyone who works in the I.T industry.

As AnCapaillMor said there are better options for backing up rather than blu-ray.

However with regard to no-one in IT seeing it as a viable storage solution I think these companies may disagree: Apple Inc., Dell, Hewlett Packard, Sun Microsystems, Acer...

People may not like Sony but Blu-Ray has it's merits.

amp

The best method of highlighting something to a moderator is by reporting the post. Constant whining gets you nowhere.


OP banned from the entire Games Category. Back on topic, have a nice day

xanthor

User45701 wrote:

They can get HD DVD's much MUCH cheaper than that sony blu-ray bollox and the HD hold 30 GB you can buy 5 HD DVD's for the price of one Blu-Ray

I wasn't convinced until I read b*llox. Now it all makes sense.

monument

amp wrote:

The best method of highlighting something to a moderator is by reporting the post. Constant whining gets you nowhere... Back on topic, have a nice day

^ What he said.

User45701

User45701 wrote:

I dont like sony, They are using bluray which i consider to be of inferiro technology

There are reports of blu-ray discs rotting/rusting and even tho sony have very nicely offered to replace any discs it happens to this means 2 things

1.They have pissed off people waiting for sony to send a replacement game]

2.NOONE in the I.T Industry has any plans to use blu-ray as storage because who would take the risk of there data rotting/rusting?

They can get HD DVD's much MUCH cheaper than that sony blu-ray bollox and the HD hold 30 GB you can buy 5 HD DVD's for the price of one Blu-Ray

That means you can hold 150GB on HD Disc for the same price as holding around 50GB on a disc that might rust...

Sony have lost the format war and the console war along with it, why do you think sony said it would be over a decade before they even started working on the next next gen console?

If I recall correctly that only happened with one blu ray movie. It was a manufacturing error. I've no problem with my blu ray discs and I haven't seen anyone post here about problems with theirs either.

lee_baby_simms

Its funny that the people who always start these threads can rarely put a coherant sentence together.

mathias

Why is this still open , stop feeding the trolls people !

mcgovern

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

Nah, they canned it for the 360 and PC.

Its just spin to ensure Sony make the most of its exclusive period, it will still be just a timed exclusive, almost 100% guaranteed.

A spokesperson said, "The official statement on PC and Xbox 360 is that these platforms are not confirmed."

Note it doesn't say they are canceled, they are just no longer in development, which of course doesn't mean they go back into development once its released on PS3 and then be released on PC and X360 next year some time.

LookingFor

So, who do we talk to at boards about getting new moderators here?

Vokes

Prob Sys->Help Desk or Sys->Feedback

Nailz

Make me a mod and it'll be done!

koneko

While the thread is still open ye can laugh at the OP, he deserves ridicule
Vote koneko for catmod, it's the only sane choice in an insane world.

Zapp Brannigan

the mods do a fine job as it is. The OP is banned and all is well with the world again.

LookingFor

Not to be a backseat moderator, but ban+lock is what's necessary.

CiDeRmAn

The funny thing about HD-DVD and BluRay is its all soon to be a moot point.
The future of video, audio and game sales is in online purchasing and downloading the purchase to your console or media hub or whatever.
The notion of actual physical media will be soon nonsense, I mean all those with the capability of watching 1080p must also have a decent broadband connection, give it a few years and we'll see the speeds increase allowing the practical onkine distribution of both HD movies and games, hopefully making the whole process cheaper for the customer and encouraging enterprise and independant thinking from game producers.

savemejebus

I'd have to disagree with you there CiDeRmAn, there are lots of people, and i'm one of them who do not subscribe to the idea of online purchasing only. It's nice as an extra option but many people enjoy physically having a disc, be it a cd or a DVD. That's not even mentioning the audio/videophiles who don't like the lower quality of downloads. Add to that the fact that you can't
trade in a downloaded game (see the warhawk thread for people talking about this now) or the DRM issues involved (as well as the idea that people don't like paying for stuff on the interweb) and I think that while online distribution is becoming more popular, there is still plenty of life left in physical media.

lee_baby_simms

CiDeRmAn wrote:

The funny thing about HD-DVD and BluRay is its all soon to be a moot point.
The future of video, audio and game sales is in online purchasing and downloading the purchase to your console or media hub or whatever.
The notion of actual physical media will be soon nonsense, I mean all those with the capability of watching 1080p must also have a decent broadband connection, give it a few years and we'll see the speeds increase allowing the practical onkine distribution of both HD movies and games, hopefully making the whole process cheaper for the customer and encouraging enterprise and independant thinking from game producers.

I also disagree. Firstly I find it hard to imagine the entire retail industry lying down and folding within a few years. The public gets what the public wants and 100% digital downloads is still a strange concept for a lot of people. For example what happens for birthday/xmas presents? The demand for physical media isn't going away anytime soon.

nevaeh-2die-4

Guys stop trying /suggesting to mods that people be banned - that sup to the mods to make that decision - just coz sum1 makes a good point & u have nothing to come back with. u dont have to run to the mods like a baby.

The fact of the matter the black box has made no impact on the gaming industry except broken promises - no games & furthermore lack of interest from the company themselves. Its just gone so horribly wrong - lets face the facts. Its over for them. Sorry to say.

projectmayhem

nevaeh-2die-4 wrote:

The fact of the matter the black box has made no impact on the gaming industry except broken promises - no games & furthermore lack of interest from the company themselves. Its just gone so horribly wrong - lets face the facts. Its over for them. Sorry to say.

no impact on the gaming industry?

are you taking the piss? there are more ps3 devkits out there then there are 360 ones (in third parties).

on top of that, Sony have pumped money into delivering havok, renderware and some other engine (that i forget the name of) into all the companies that invest in the devkits. right off the bat, before a game is even thought of, devkits have funded three companies unassociated with Sony, one of which is irish! keep in mind this does not grant a license to publish a title made with havok, renderware or anything else, just means you can tinker and learn the system.

on top of that, their online infrastructure, however "weak" in comparison to xbox live, has managed to sell 100k+ copies of a full price title in one week. that's never been done before (discounting steam, assuming they have similar figures for episode1 etc.). that impacts the way companies think about digital distribution of full titles and puts the sh1ts up gamestop et al.

first parties, or third parties that deal with sony on some sort of exclusive level are also being given huge opportunities to take liberties with time on the ps3. this is why people like david jaffe can take his sweet time on his next title, and in the interim come out with interesting stuff like GoW on PSP (i know he wasn't the director of that title, but you can bet he had a huge part in it) as well as PSN title "calling all cars" to change tact a bit. not saying MS don't allow this but i'd imagine Bungie staff are getting tired of Halo and Rare are feeling a bit miffed right now.

my point being the idea that sony are contributing "nothing" to the industry is farcical. also the ps3 has managed to sell more in the same period since launch then the ps2 did, so saying it's a dead project is ridiculous. you should stop listening to gabe newell's talk

(been a while since i've done a sony-inspired diatribe here)

Riesen_Meal

Blatant fanboyism of the OP, didnt really read the replies but please dont feed the trolls lads!!!

CiDeRmAn

Well, we'll wait and see, I'm sure before the iPod folk never thought the CD would go byebye and yet sales are falling like a rock, people, both leagally and otherwise are doing there purchasing online.
No, I can see it happen, I think peoples attatchment to physical media is only because thats what we are used to.
Yes the preowned market will vanish, but the prices of games will drop.
Perhaps unwrapping a voucher with a pin number allowing a download of the latest Sony offering seems like a lousy thing now, but if it became an acceptable way to buy new software, I think it'd soon become the norm.
As for the life span of the media itself, outside of HD movies there is little current requirement for anything other than Dual layer DVDs, the 360 seems to cope just fine, it reminds me of the early days ot CD roms, where companies were being lazy, filling the new discs with crap FMV and bad code, the Bluray and HDDVD run the risk of just this sort of thing, if one was conscious of the size of files due to customers having to download, the pressure would be on to make the code as efficient as possible, better for all.

stereo_steve

TelePaul wrote:

Honestly? Product life cycle. PS3 is still in its absolute infancy...

Profits happen in stages 2, 3 and 4. Rapidly in 2 and 3, less so in 4 where product harvesting occurs; sometimes, a firm will do what Microsoft have done and re-hash a product to maximise sales prior to decline (x box elite, PS 2 slim case design, PSP lite)

Xbox Elite? Eh...are you aware that the PS3 is on its third sku? They couldn't sell the first two! LOL

Xbox FTW!!

steviec

CiDeRmAn wrote:

if one was conscious of the size of files due to customers having to download, the pressure would be on to make the code as efficient as possible, better for all.

Not better for developers.

I think a prime example of this is Robo Blitz on 360. It got a lot of publicity for being a really good looking Unreal 3 based game, that was incredibly tiny in order to fit on XBLA (50 megs or so I think)

The problem was, the devs spent so much time working on procedural technologies and compression techniques to get it to this size, that the game got lost somewhere along the line and turned out rubbish.

The more storage capacity the better, and the more processing power the better, with no exceptions. I know people say these things make games more expensive, but there's no rule saying all of the power has to be used, the important thing is that it's there and it doesn't have to be a pressing concern. Loco Roco is due out on PSN later today as far as I know, and it's a game the DS could probably handle - but I guarantee it would be more expensive to make it on DS because time would have to be devoted to optimising while it's easy to do on PS3.

I think the PS3 is doing a great job in providing devs with a completely open canvas - if you want to make something huge like Final Fantasy XIII you can put it on Blu Ray, and the console can handle it, but if you want to make something like Everyday Shooter you can do that too and put it on PSN, and the pricing and platform are flexible enough to accommodate both extremes, aswell as covering the middle ground that XBLA is missing with games like Warhawk and Calling All Cars, which are up to the graphics and gameplay standards of modern full priced games, but with a reduced amount of content to reduce costs and development time, and a reasonable price to go with them.

Vyse

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Well, we'll wait and see, I'm sure before the iPod folk never thought the CD would go byebye and yet sales are falling like a rock, people, both leagally and otherwise are doing there purchasing online.
No, I can see it happen, I think peoples attatchment to physical media is only because thats what we are used to.
Yes the preowned market will vanish, but the prices of games will drop.

Gotta agree with CiderMan on this one. A couple of years ago a lot of people were extremely sceptical of online shopping (I'm sure that plenty are still are). The thinking was that people enjoy visiting shops, browsing etc. To be honest I would have felt the same. For the last couple of years I have done all my DVD/games shopping online (unless I really want a game on release day).

Furthermore, if you had asked me if I'd trade up my CD collection for a digital media I would have laughed in your face. I liked the idea, as I'm sure that most people do, of having something tangible to show for my purchase. However the fact that I can hold thousands of songs on a portable device far smaller a portable CD player is a winner for me.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see how this will play out over the next couple of years. The customer is a fickle person:rolleyes:

CiDeRmAn

Picture the near future, plugging your iPod/Zune/whatever into your console of choice via the dock and play your games that are stored on the player where ever you are, all the system is waiting for is large capacity portable flash ram and fast download speeds.