Is it time Staunton goes?

whiskeyman

Sorry to say lads, but we were never expected to qualify for Euro 08 anyway. That wasn't in his job spec.
Stans target is the WC in 2010.
We could have come bottom in the qualifying table, and the FAI would still keep him on.
In other words, we should fire those giving him the orders...

gosplan

Zebra3 wrote:

The reality is as long as Irish football consumers continue to spend their money supporting football outside the FAI's juristriction, it lessens the chances of the FAI being able to fix the problems at hand.

AFAIK we paid Kerr quite a bit and I'm sure between Robson's and Staunton's wages wwe could get one manager. Problem is we'd have to pay them off.

The FAI will never be able to afford a world class manager. Russia could only afford Hiddink because Roman is paying his wages. International managers don't need to be world class anyway, it helps but being competent is usually good enough.

Gillie wrote:

until either O'Neill or Big Sam want the job!

No hope...no hope whatsoever. Successful permiership managers will not quit to manage Ireland.

herbieflowers

If you look at the table, Ireland finish third, above their seeding, surely a success? Wtf do people expect? Stan wasn't gonna deliver miracles, and in fairness he's had a tougher job than Kerr had...there's no point getting rid of him because:

a) the FAI can't afford to
b) the FAI can't afford to get a better manager in
c) Stan is Delaney's yes man - as long as Delaney stays, Stan stays
d) who in their right mind would want the job anyway?

Mr Alan

gosplan wrote:

No hope...no hope whatsoever. Successful permiership managers will not quit to manage Ireland.

True.

Still think that Aldridge or Dalglish (if interested) would be the realistic way to go

herbieflowers

I think the team needs a bit of longevity, disrupting it now could hurt the side on an unprecedented level if someone new is brought in...

Mr Alan

herbieflowers wrote:

I think the team needs a bit of longevity, disrupting it now could hurt the side on an unprecedented level if someone new is brought in...

and keeping him in will do the team no harm? it won't waste the talents of Ireland, Hunt, Doyle, Mc Shane?

Keeping him on, won't give loyal servants and great players for us like Keane, Kilbane, Duff, Dunne and Finnan a chance to represent us in another major tournament.

Tbh i see your point about keeping some stability, but i reckon its only really valid if we are discussing a manager who is any way competent.

herbieflowers

I agree, but I'm more of a defeatist - I'm ust accepting that he'll be in the job as long as Dleaney is there so it's futile to speculate about future managers...yet this kind of garble always appears after EVERY Ireland match...he'll see out his contract...

LostinBlanch

herbieflowers wrote:

If you look at the table, Ireland finish third, above their seeding, surely a success? Wtf do people expect? Stan wasn't gonna deliver miracles, and in fairness he's had a tougher job than Kerr had...there's no point getting rid of him because:

a) the FAI can't afford to
b) the FAI can't afford to get a better manager in

The FAI can't afford not to. They've got to sell 10 year tickets to Lansdowne and with having inept management off the pitch and continuing failure on it. It's going to be a hard sell.

Staunton will be dumped by Delaney if these seat sales don't go well.

herbieflowers

Yeah and a cheaper manager brought in? Hurrah!

LuckyLloyd

herbieflowers wrote:

d) who in their right mind would want the job anyway?

Souness. O' Leary. Jewell.

Fanfan

I hope Irish football fans across the country stand up to John Delaney and force him out. We need change at the top first is Delaney and then second is Stan. Id like to see Giles and Dunphy replace Steve because they seem to have an answer for everything! On more realistic note Paul Jewell, David O Leary and Aldo in that order would be my choice. Can we please get together and organise an official protest against John Delaney for our next home game lets get together and stand up for Irish football whos up for it!?!? WE MUST STOP DELANEY AND STAN RUINING IRISH FOOTBALL!

nacho libre

Fighting Irish wrote:

the players are as much to blame, not really "blame" they're actually just not good enough

by definition very few players are world class, yet other teams are doing better than us with the same calibre of players. why is this? A good manager can't turn decent players into world class players but he can for sure get more out of them than an inept manager can.



By Steve Staunton staying it really is two fingers to the people who pay to watch the Irish soccer team play at home and abroad.
Failing to qualify for next the World Cup would mean eight years without tournament football. To keep Staunton reduces our chances of qualifying...
Delaney if needs be should take a big pay cut to ensure a manager with pedigree can be appointed. Failing that he should just walk for a blatant act of cronyism which was detrimental to the prospects of the national sides.
The FAI simply can't afford not to get rid of Steve Staunton.

ghost26ie

thinking about putting in a proposal for a new reality tv show,either "You're the Gaffer" or "Ireland's Next Top Manager". find a replacement for Stan. any ideas would be great. personally he should never have accepted the job. he should have realised that coaching Walsall's reserves wasn't going to be the same as international football. Delaney and the fai should have realised the same. appointed Bobby Robson was a big mistake, the man spends his time battling cancer and such, which cant be a help to the team, not trying to be disrespectful or anything. the players may not be "World Class", a term which is over used these days, but they are good enough. any competent manger should be able to accomplish things with them.

Zebra3

How many people posting here who want Delaney and/or Staunton out for the good of Irish football support foreign clubs and do fck all for the good of Irish football?

Take a long hard look at yourselves.

Mr Alan

piss off, supporting foreign clubs has nothing to do this

Zebra3

millersangel wrote:

piss off, supporting foreign clubs has nothing to do this

Of course it has.

People here are slating the FAI saying they're to blame for this mess while the same people are doing very little to help Irish football.

It's called hypocrisy.

How many people slating the FAI have even bothered their hole to go and watch any of the FAI's underage teams?

Mr Alan

with the support the people in this county give the FAI they have adequete resources to carry out their job properly, they are failing to do this, that is why people are unhappy.

for the record, i am not up on a lot of the FAI bashing that goes on here, i have no interest in club football in Ireland, i do though have an interest in the national team, and the fact that they hired a clown to manage that, gives me every right to moan about them and him.

LuckyLloyd

Zebra3 wrote:

How many people posting here who want Delaney and/or Staunton out for the good of Irish football support foreign clubs and do fck all for the good of Irish football?

Take a long hard look at yourselves.

And how many decent, true and brave Eircom league dieharders would install an Eircom league manager and play a team chosen solely from the Eircom league? For the good of Irish football?

GTFO.

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LuckyLloyd wrote:

And how many decent, true and brave Eircom league dieharders would install an Eircom league manager and play a team chosen solely from the Eircom league? For the good of Irish football?

That's just being silly.

No one posting here has even remotely suggested that this has even a slight possibility of being an option.:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd wrote:

GTFO.

There really is no need for that.

joe123

Seriously a petition should be started at least to get rid of that donkey delaney and along with him will go stan. Jesus Paul Jewell would be an excellent man to take over in my oppinion....but besides that.

The Fai came out today and gave their full support to Steve Staunton. For ****s sake im sick of it.

Im actually thinking I hope we get absolutely mauled in our last three matches so that there is a major outcry....it seems to me everyones being quite about wanting Changes within the Irish National Team.

I know our seedings could go down. But if we get embarrased in these last three games maybe it will show how inept and clueless Stan really is?

Delaney and Staunton out now!

Sizzler

Stan plays golf with Delaney (everytime theres a home game on) so what does that tell you? Zero chance of of John organising Stan's P45. A fúcking ridiculous situation.

At least Kerr had some idea how to coach players :eek:

The only way to get action will be to stay away from the home games....I said to myself last year I wouldnt go to another game while that clown was in charge and with every game it looks to be a great decision! Pity more people dont have the same attitude.

A few banners asking Stan to go at the next game might not be a bad thing....just dont bother staying for the match !

AARRRGH

Zebra3 wrote:

How many people posting here who want Delaney and/or Staunton out for the good of Irish football support foreign clubs and do fck all for the good of Irish football?

Take a long hard look at yourselves.

LOL. The Eircom League has got nothing to do with playing for Ireland. The Eircom League simply does not contain any players good enough for our National team. End of discussion.

Mr.Nice Guy

joe123 wrote:

Seriously a petition should be started at least to get rid of that donkey delaney and along with him will go stan.

Agreed. Someone on here should start one. I would but I don't know how. I reckon we could get a lot of names.

joe123 wrote:

Im actually thinking I hope we get absolutely mauled in our last three matches so that there is a major outcry....it seems to me everyones being quite about wanting Changes within the Irish National Team.

I know our seedings could go down. But if we get embarrased in these last three games maybe it will show how inept and clueless Stan really is?

Delaney and Staunton out now!

I agree with you again. I don't mean to sound unpatriotic but wins by Ireland will only mask the problems we have. If we get mauled then at least the problem remains exposed. Might be best to lose a few battles to ultimately win the war against the FAI crooks and force them to remove Staunton.

Zebra3

LuckyLloyd wrote:

And how many decent, true and brave Eircom league dieharders would install an Eircom league manager and play a team chosen solely from the Eircom league? For the good of Irish football?

GTFO.

dublindude wrote:

LOL. The Eircom League has got nothing to do with playing for Ireland. The Eircom League simply does not contain any players good enough for our National team. End of discussion.

Nothing like clueless ignorance. :rolleyes:

Did I say install an eircom League manager and 11 players?

What I was talking about is that the whole structure of the game in this country needs to be revamped and supported.

If you want a successful RoI NT, sending kids abroad at 15 and having our best players at the whims of foreigners is not the way to build for the future.

What happens as more and more English clubs (laden with tv cash) decide to simply buy from mainland Europe, Africa and South America and there is no structure here to develop our own players?

The FAI stages something like 80 internationals a year of which maybe 6 generate a profit. Only through a vibrant club scene (i.e. the EL) can the game truly develop in this country. The best players will always go to England, but it's much better (in most cases) for a player to go abroad at the age Doyle did than as a 15 year old kid isolated in a foreign country from their family and friends.

I posted earlier in the thread asking did people ever even go and watch any of the FAI's underage sides and nobody has posted that they have done. So it seems it's not just people have no interest in club football here, but are actually only interested in the big international occasions. Bit like the way people couldn't be arsed going to watch their county play GAA in the winter.

What people seem to want is a couple of players not good enough for England to come in and do the business and suddenly the game in Ireland is rosey again. That's only papering over the cracks. We need a vibrant game from the bottom up.

So long as the majority of Irish people aren't prepared to support the game from the bottom up, it'll be one major tournament every tweny years or so.

Enjoy.

AARRRGH

Zebra3 wrote:

Nothing like clueless ignorance. :rolleyes:

I really hope you're talking about yourself there.

Zebra3 wrote:

...lots of naive nonsense about the Eircom League somehow being related to International soccer...

Again, the Eircom League and Ireland having a successful International team are not connected whatsoever.

Zebra3 wrote:

I posted earlier in the thread asking did people ever even go and watch any of the FAI's underage sides and nobody has posted that they have done. So it seems it's not just people have no interest in club football here, but are actually only interested in the big international occasions.

You're still confused.

Zebra3 wrote:

What people seem to want is a couple of players not good enough for England to come in and do the business and suddenly the game in Ireland is rosey again. That's only papering over the cracks. We need a vibrant game from the bottom up.

Our players in the Premiership are not good enough, and the solution is to grow the Eircom League? LOL

Zebra3 wrote:

So long as the majority of Irish people aren't prepared to support the game from the bottom up, it'll be one major tournament every tweny years or so.

That's what the problem is? It's not Staunton being useless, the FAI being useless and Ireland being a small country with a small population?

As you don't get it, I will explain what the problem is -

1. We have a clueless manager.
2. We have a football organisation which appears to have a lot of weird politics going on in the background.
3. We are a small country with a small population. We have in the past punched above our weight, but to expect us to be able to regularly successfully compete with large countries like England, Spain, France, Germany etc, is just not reasonable. We have to accept we don't have the population to be world beaters.

Yes, having a thriving league in Ireland would be lovely, but it wouldn't fix our International problems.

People like you, who think you're not a "real supporter" unless you go see under age games or crappy local games - get a life!

homerjay2005

ya, tis time to move on and for him to back down......use the last 3 games for proper team building in time for this time next year for the WC qualifiers...

Zebra3

dublindude wrote:

I really hope you're talking about yourself there.

Nope, I'm talking about the likes of yourself.

dublindude wrote:

Again, the Eircom League and Ireland having a successful International team are not connected whatsoever.

Exactly what I thought as Kevin Doyle scored that cracker last Saturday. Reading have done a great job on him since they took him over as a raw 15 year old. :rolleyes:

dublindude wrote:

You're still confused.

No, I'm not.

dublindude wrote:

Our players in the Premiership are not good enough, and the solution is to grow the Eircom League? LOL

As I posted above, as the Premiiership goes more global, we're gonna have to.

dublindude wrote:

That's what the problem is? It's not Staunton being useless, the FAI being useless and Ireland being a small country with a small population?

Staunton is no genius, and as I said there is huge problems with the structure of football in this country, but the FAI can't make things work without the backing of the people from the top level to the bottom level.

dublindude wrote:

As you don't get it, I will explain what the problem is -

1. We have a clueless manager.
2. We have a football organisation which appears to have a lot of weird politics going on in the background.
3. We are a small country with a small population. We have in the past punched above our weight, but to expect us to be able to regularly successfully compete with large countries like England, Spain, France, Germany etc, is just not reasonable. We have to accept we don't have the population to be world beaters.

We're never gonna be world beaters, but a stronger eL benefits our NT. Look at the humiliation in Cyprus. How many of their players were on the side that Cork had just knocked out of Europe? Yet you dismiss the EL.....

dublindude wrote:

Yes, having a thriving league in Ireland would be lovely, but it wouldn't fix our International problems.

It won't fix them all, but it can certainly help.

dublindude wrote:

People like you, who think you're not a "real supporter" unless you go see under age games or crappy local games - get a life!

Once more you are making stuff up that I haven't said. I simply said that for the sport to prosper in this country it needs to be supported from the bottom up.

The choice is yours.

DSB

Well said.

AARRRGH

Zebra3 wrote:

I posted earlier in the thread asking did people ever even go and watch any of the FAI's underage sides and nobody has posted that they have done. So it seems it's not just people have no interest in club football here, but are actually only interested in the big international occasions.

Are you sure you're in the right topic? This is about Steve Staunton and the Senior Irish team. It's not about the under age team or the Eircom League.

Please keep your "support your local team" rant to another topic. Most people don't give a **** about crap local teams or kids playing football. We are talking about the Senior Ireland team.

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dublindude wrote:

Most people don't give a **** about crap local teams or kids playing football.

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