Is Hunt's red going to be rescinded?

shoutman

Hunt's sending off was the most ridicuous thing I have ever seen. It wasn't even a foul, let alone a yellow or a red.
Has the ref been suspended or anything? When will it be announced that the card will be rescinded?

keano_afc

I seriously doubt it. I remember something similar when Andy O'Brien was sent off for nothing against Israel in the WC qualifying. UEFA came out with some crap about the ref's decision being final. The gas thing is the ref didnt even see it, look at the replay and you'll see he's looking over to the other side of the pitch.

Mr Alan

no it wont be resicinded.

thought it was a little harsh, but it was a stupid tackle, was showing studs and went in with two feet. maybe he could've/should've only gotten a yellow but there is no way the ref will take it back, debatable if he even should.

hunt was too wound up, out to prove he should have been starting, and the crowd was getting to him.

only himself to blame.

Guy:Incognito

shoutman wrote:

It wasn't even a foul, let alone a yellow or a red.

Course it was, it was a yellow card tackle. His left foot was high and kind of showing studs, his right leg acame around and caught the player.

Tbh he was a bit thick, he got played. The Czech player stopped a foot or so before the ball deliberately knowing Hunt was going to barrell into him. Hunt duely obliged.

shoutman

He got the ball! and it was in no means a dangerous tackle. Millersangel I think he did great when he came on, was giving it 110% I dont know how this means he was too wound up.

leninbenjamin

shoutman wrote:

He got the ball! and it was in no means a dangerous tackle. Millersangel I think he did great when he came on, was giving it 110% I dont know how this means he was too wound up.

he won the ball but clearly went through the player. some refs would have only given a yellow but i dont think you can complain if your sent off for something like that.

ziggy

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Mr Alan

shoutman wrote:

He got the ball! and it was in no means a dangerous tackle. Millersangel I think he did great when he came on, was giving it 110% I dont know how this means he was too wound up.

i aint doubting that he did well when he came on, he should have started the ****ing match.

makes no difference if he wins the ball - studs were up, two feet, potentially a very dangerous tackle. he was too wound up, two footed,studs up challenge at the halfway line surely proves that?

MrJoeSoap

If we feel bad, imagine how Hungary must feel after Gera's red card...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=751xtd6Edm4

They went on to concede three goals in the last twenty minutes.

kinaldo

shoutman wrote:

It wasn't even a foul

It was a foul, and just because he got the ball doesn't mean it wasn't. It was more worthy of a yellow card imo.

homerjay2005

i was at the match and the view from where i was standing was that he won the ball. i have yet to see a replay on it, but i seemed to me like it wasnt even a free. the player that was "injured" rolled about for 5 seconds and then once the card was produced, he got up and ran back to his position. there was alot of cheating going on with the czechs and that ref was simply putrid.

Guy:Incognito

homerjay2005 wrote:

i was at the match and the view from where i was standing was that he won the ball. i have yet to see a replay on it, but i seemed to me like it wasnt even a free. the player that was "injured" rolled about for 5 seconds and then once the card was produced, he got up and ran back to his position. there was alot of cheating going on with the czechs and that ref was simply putrid.

He did get the ball, but thats not the issue. He followed through on him with both feet and some studs.

Bubs101

It was a foul and worthy of a red card in my opinion. He nailed him from behind and then lashed out with his second foot. He's a danger to other players and he should learn his lesson

_blank_

It was a foul, and the ref was within his rights to red-card the player (qualified ref here, oh yeah!:D )

But, you'll see the same tackle not being carded, or being yellow carded week-in week-out in leagues the length and breadth of the country, and the UK.

mayordenis

people are getting to caught up with the beautiful game ideoligy and its to the detrement of the game, physicality is as important as anything else in the game and to win the ball and to jar the man a bit without being over zealous is perfectly fine,
it annoys me as much as the new rulings that want to favour the attacker, good defending is as impressive to watch as incisive attacking play.

mayordenis

people are getting to caught up with the beautiful game ideoligy and its to the detrement of the game, physicality is as important as anything else in the game and to win the ball and to jar the man a bit without being over zealous is perfectly fine,
it annoys me as much as the new rulings that want to favour the attacker, good defending is as impressive to watch as incisive attacking play.

Guy:Incognito

mayordenis wrote:

people are getting to caught up with the beautiful game ideoligy and its to the detrement of the game, physicality is as important as anything else in the game and to win the ball and to jar the man a bit without being over zealous is perfectly fine,
it annoys me as much as the new rulings that want to favour the attacker, good defending is as impressive to watch as incisive attacking play.

This was not a great defensive last ditch tackle where the player slid in took the ball and upended the player. This was a pointless ,lundged, two footed tackle on the halfway line with studs showing and the trailing foot coming in after the tackle had been made.

MrJoeSoap

Its a sad state of affairs when that tackle warrants a red-card and three game ban. The sport is going to the dogs.

Mr Alan

i would usually agree about the sport going too soft, but i really do think it was a genuinely dangerous tackle. and needless too

Big Ears

IMO it's a free-kick and nothing more . He went in with the side of his foot not the front and his studs weren't badly showing(I think it was the inside of his boot that hit the ball not even his studs) the problem was the naivety of his tackling . He presumed that the Czech player would fall over from his tackle and didn't think where his right leg was going to go if the guy didn't .
I don't think there was any malice with the challenge as for me the first part is okay and the only problem was his trailing leg where he was just a bit stupid .

It was not a two-footed tackle and his studs weren't really showing(imo) , you see worse tackles week in week out in junior football(at least around here) without a free-kick even being given .

Fratton Fred

it looked a bit harsh, but if you go in two footed you always run the rick of a red card. Hunt is not a schoolboy, he is a pro and is aware of that.

I think he should have played from the start, he seems to be one of the few players who relishes playing for his country and that is something that seems to be lacking from premiership players these days.

Kingp35

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Its a sad state of affairs when that tackle warrants a red-card and three game ban. The sport is going to the dogs.

100% agree. Honestly I struggle to watch some Premiership games and top level games these days for the sheer lack of physicality that is left in the sport. Football is not what it used to be ten years ago, it has gotten worse and worse. Give me a Championship game any day when at least they are allowed to tackle.

Mr Alan

Or a League 1 game?

ziggy

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Kingp35

millersangel wrote:

Or a League 1 game?

Nah I wouldn't go that far, only when Leeds are playing

~Rebel~

ziggy67 wrote:

Heres a video of the incident, go to 2.20 into the video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-aflAhXRxA

Looking at it from head on can someone explain what Hunt was trying to do after he got the ball? As i said before it was a harsh sending off but the intent was there.

To be honest i disagree. I goes in throwing his left foot and gets the ball, but he's basically airborn after, his right then tucks up to his body (instinctive for a collision like this, like an arm coming up across you, and if not then he's making a conscious effort to move his leg ) and comes into the player sideways where it scoops him from the ground, but theres no foot or stoods, which i dont see much wrong with, he got the ball first and his body has to go somewhere so its just a collision imo. Or are we simply not allowed to take ball and man anymore?

cournioni

Have to laugh at the amount of lads that agree with the referee on this. Soccer is the next basketball, or even net ball in some cases if that deserved a red card (or even a yellow). Referee should have told Hunt to calm down. Then there wouldn't be an issue.

On the issue of the referee... What was the story with that yellow card for Jankulovski near the end of the match? Was it his second yellow card or not?

Hippo

What's all this about a two-footed challenge?? Watch it again, he plays the ball with his left, then follows through with his right. A free alright, but nothing at all like a two-footed flying lunge over the ball for a straight red. A terrible decision, perhaps acknowledged in the way the ref gave the Czechs nothing for ages after it; we got every 50/50, including the obvious foul on Cech that gave McShane his late chance.

Mr Alan

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Have to laugh at the amount of lads that agree with the referee on this. Soccer is the next basketball, or even net ball in some cases if that deserved a red card (or even a yellow). Referee should have told Hunt to calm down. Then there wouldn't be an issue.

On the issue of the referee... What was the story with that yellow card for Jankulovski near the end of the match? Was it his second yellow card or not?

in fairness, i'm pretty sure the ref told him to calm down a couple of times before the tackle took place

MrJoeSoap

If thats the case then fair enough, give the free and book him for repeated infringements or whatever. Still hardly a straight red.

Mr Alan

as i said, thought a red was a little harsh. but wit running the risk of repeating myself - it was a silly dangerous challenge.

gosplan

A yellow card for a dangerous tackle is never too far from a red one.

Nunu

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Have to laugh at the amount of lads that agree with the referee on this. Soccer is the next basketball, or even net ball in some cases if that deserved a red card (or even a yellow). Referee should have told Hunt to calm down. Then there wouldn't be an issue.

On the issue of the referee... What was the story with that yellow card for Jankulovski near the end of the match? Was it his second yellow card or not?

No, it wasn't.
Ujfalasi got the first card for complaining too vehemently at card given to Polak. Ujfalusi was walking away from the ref as he flashed the card and Jankulovski was standing face to face with the ref. so it may have looked like he got the card.

Guy:Incognito

People are also ignoring the fact that the tackle was on the half way line, what the **** was doing lunging into a tackle like that on the halfway line? the guy wasnt going far even if he had got he ball. Hunt could have stood up and blocked him.

smemon

You want to see your players rattling into tackles..

That's what we needed.. too many lightweights on the pitch like McGeady.. brushed off the ball anytime he came near it and afraid to go near any czech player..

When hunt came on it lifted the players and we dominated. He brings a machine gun to the side where as everyone else takes handguns.

All great players are nasty players. Zidane, Keane, Maradona, Cantona etc.. they could all get nasty when they wanted to and that's what seperates the men from the boys. You need nastyness in a side to be successful.

Guy:Incognito

smemon wrote:

You want to see your players rattling into tackles..
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I'd rather see all my players on the pitch for the full 90 mins. It was a stupid, pointless and reckless tackle.

smemon wrote:

All great players are nasty players. Zidane, Keane, Maradona, Cantona etc.. they could all get nasty when they wanted to and that's what seperates the men from the boys. You need nastyness in a side to be successful.

Thats one thats rolled out everytime someone clocks another player. Theres a lot more great players who dont have a nasty streak. Also ,hunt? , not in that catagory (the greats). Dont remember Pele breaking people up very often.

Bubs101

Maradona wasn't nasty, just a loveable rascal

Guy:Incognito

Bubs101 wrote:

Maradona wasn't nasty, just a loveable rascal

and a coke fiend.

evilhomer

millersangel wrote:

Or a League 1 game?

It's not tackling in League 1, it's butchering!

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smemon

Stekelly wrote:

Thats one thats rolled out everytime someone clocks another player. Theres a lot more great players who dont have a nasty streak. Also ,hunt? , not in that catagory (the greats). Dont remember Pele breaking people up very often.

of course he's not in the same bracket, but in Irish terms, he's probably our most influential player at the minute..

keane is captain... but he's a weakling and talks too much.. you won't see him bollocking anyone other than the referee.

dunne's a rock at the back as is given but those two can't win matches.. we need steel further up the field and hunt provides that..

midfield is where possession is won or lost and we've got plenty of midfielders who can do both of those things

hunt will run at people and isn't afraid to get stuck in. you need those players to win matches..

bobo balde, heinze, vidic, terry, vieira, keane, dunne, carragher... you need those guys who won't back out of 50-50 tackles...

we've got a midfield/attack full of guys who'll chase the ball, but won't apply the pressure to win it.

mc geady was a perfect example.. anytime he lost the ball, he'd chase after it, but it was a token gesture, he's too scared to tackle for it.

Some of our players are happier chasing the ball than they are with it in possession. Those guys are the liabilities..

Big Ears

ziggy67 wrote:

You answered your own question there!

A two-footed tackle is when someone goes into a tackle with both feet at once not where they go into a tackle with one foot and the other foot only comes into play after they have made the initial tackle and their body turns .

Nunu

smemon wrote:

of course he's not in the same bracket, but in Irish terms, he's probably our most influential player at the minute..

keane is captain... but he's a weakling and talks too much.. you won't see him bollocking anyone other than the referee.

dunne's a rock at the back as is given but those two can't win matches.. we need steel further up the field and hunt provides that..

midfield is where possession is won or lost and we've got plenty of midfielders who can do both of those things

hunt will run at people and isn't afraid to get stuck in. you need those players to win matches..

bobo balde, heinze, vidic, terry, vieira, keane, dunne, carragher... you need those guys who won't back out of 50-50 tackles...

we've got a midfield/attack full of guys who'll chase the ball, but won't apply the pressure to win it.

mc geady was a perfect example.. anytime he lost the ball, he'd chase after it, but it was a token gesture, he's too scared to tackle for it.

Some of our players are happier chasing the ball than they are with it in possession. Those guys are the liabilities..

Spot on.

Exactly how I felt watching the game over in Prague. Our midfield just stood off them (especially first 30 mins), no tackling whatsoever, then lo and behold when one of our players makes a real hammering tackle he gets a red. I can't believe there is actually agreement with the referee on this. He got it horribly wrong! It was the first hard challenge of the game so it stood out, but he clearly won the ball.

I hate this about the modern game. Real honest to god players like Rooney and Hunt are incessantly kicked, tugged and pulled by frauds who litter football nowadays yet referees can't wait to punish them for battling back.

Also, I was at the game and the referee did not see the tackle, he was totally facing the other way but when he turned around and saw it was Hunt, and all the muppets on the Czech bench baying for blood, he couldn't wait to send him off.

Hippo

Big Ears wrote:

A two-footed tackle is when someone goes into a tackle with both feet at once not where they go into a tackle with one foot and the other foot only comes into play after they have made the initial tackle and their body turns .

Thanks big ears, I was too bored to bother explaining it to him!

ziggy

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~Rebel~

What do you want him to do with his otehr leg though? from the way he had to move to get the touch on the ball he was definately going to take the man as well, he didnt exactly straighten up his right leg to make the most damage, it clearly comes into the czech played sideways, in the way it would do least damage to either of them. Watching in slow-mo can often add the impression theres intent somewhere because you see his leg moving slowly but rememebr it wasn't, this was all split second stuff. he got the ball and braced himself for the collision.

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~Rebel~

true enough, these things are tough to call at times, and often you go by what you think of the situation in your own head as if you were there (you must be a nasty piece of work Ziggy )

One thing im fairly sure of however is that the ref couldn't have seen enough in that split second to send him off, unless he thought he missed the ball. Even if there was intent in the contact of legs it would take superman to be able to see it and decide it was a red card. And that ref was anything but a superman that night!

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Hippo

There was a few on here claiming it was a two footed tackle, hence the tedious argument. Anyway, a yellow not a red.