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Stranglehold-Max Payne rebranded

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  • 15-09-2007 3:10pm
    #1
    Jack Sheehan
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    Just rented John Woo's Stranglehold last night with high expectations, I was always a fan of Max Payne and someone had told me that it was quite similar.

    I wasn't expecting it to be the same game.

    Well not quite but even apart from the basic Bullet/tequila time, double gun dive and 'gritty' dialouge, they seem to have wanted to copy some of the settings to the letter. Theres a sewer and a Downtown area, but the lowest point of all is the Skyscraper. Apart from being almost a carbon copy of the Final level in MP it also contains both a Helicopter and laser mines.

    That being said it's still a solid game with lots of fun to it, I'm just disappointed they didn't do more.


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    KdjaCL
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    ehhh

    1st
    Hard Boiled (Chinese: 辣手神探; Pinyin: Làshǒu shéntàn; literally: Hot-Handed God of Cops) is a 1992 action film by director John Woo. It is also known as God of Guns (Traditional Chinese: 鎗神/槍神; Simplified Chinese: 枪神; Pinyin: Qiāngshén). It is the last film Woo directed in his native Hong Kong before relocating to Hollywood.

    The film begins as an apparently straightforward film about the bond between a cop and an undercover cop as they fight a triad gang. However, it develops into an over two hour action extravaganza, with a body count of 307. [1] It is structured around four major action setpieces: the opening teahouse shootout, the warehouse betrayal in the middle, the dock shootout, and the climactic thirty-minute hospital shootout.


    Then
    The Max Payne series has a major cinematic influence: the Hong Kong action movie genre, particularly the work of director John Woo, which features a great deal of slow-motion violence and gunfights, almost resembling ballet. "John Woo" is in fact the password that the mobsters must recite to enter their laundromat hideaway.

    And then
    John Woo collaborated with Midway Games on Stranglehold, a 2007 console game sequel starring Tequila. The highest difficulty of the game is, appropriately, "Hard-Boiled".

    Not so quite Stranglehold = max payne but more hard boiled = max payne :)

    Btw if you havent seen Hard Boiled omg get it :D


    kdjac


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    mathias
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    I see the OP's point , yes max payne borrowed heavily from the movies of John woo, but as a game max payne is what ? ... how many years old now ...and here we have stranglehold , a clone of it masquerading as a next gen console game !!

    The game press has been pushing this as something new , anyone thats played max payne is going to be seriously p*ssed off !!

    Thats just not on !


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    KdjaCL
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    But you pay as Tequila!

    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FoYq0tRA0yk

    See above for Tequila coolness.
    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FoYq0tRA0yk

    kdjac


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    Jack Sheehan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    No I havn't seen hard boiled (though i hear its good) but you are missing my point. The GAME of a this John Woo story has been done before. It makes no difference if max payne borrowed from Hard boiled, the game of stranglehold is a clone of max payne.


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    KdjaCL
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    Jack Sheehan wrote:
    No I havn't seen hard boiled (though i hear its good) but you are missing my point. The GAME of a this John Woo story has been done before. It makes no difference if max payne borrowed from Hard boiled, the game of stranglehold is a clone of max payne.


    or a next gen upgrade :confused:
    eurogamer wrote:
    But who needs a chin-stroking plot and rich, nuanced dialogue when you can kill a roomful of enemies in the most spectacular style possible? If you're not already familiar with Woo's directorial style, you might instantly assume the balletic, time-slowing combat owes a substantial debt to Remedy's two Max Payne titles. To a degree, you'd be bang on the money - after all, the Finnish developer based the entire principle of 'bullet time' on Woo's techniques in the first place (one of the game modes was even called 'Hard Boiled'). Effectively, both borrows just as heavily in their own way, and given that it's almost four year since the last Max Payne title, a next generation reworking was long overdue.

    Do you read reviews before getting a game ?

    Regardless of the max payne thing, this game lets you play as TEQUILA!!!! To some people that in itself is justifcation for buying the game, watch the movie tbh Tequila is a legend and max payne is a complete wussy compared to him :D


    kdjac


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    Jack Sheehan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    The nintendo 64 version of superman let you play as superman, but that didn't stop it from being one of the worst games of all time.

    Not that i think Stranglehold is terrible, just that it has a lot of missed potential.


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    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Jack Sheehan wrote:

    Not that i think Stranglehold is terrible, just that it has a lot of missed potential.


    umm
    Jack Sheehan wrote:
    I bought BioShock about a two weeks ago and i've finished it twice now. On medium and hard with both the endings.

    I'm playing it again, this time using only the wrench and plasmids, and a friend of mine told me that if you do this you get special tonics and possibly plasmids.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this?


    You seem to enjoy bioshock even tho its basically a remake of 2 other games but thats ok for some reason?

    Whereas a update of max payne is not ok?



    kdjac


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    Jack Sheehan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭Jack Sheehan


    Well i dont believe that Bioshock is simply a remake. Apart from the vastly improved well...everything Bioshock is a totally different setting. From spaceship in the future to underwater city in the past is a bit better than from Cop-with-nothing-to-lose in New York to Cop-with-nothing-to-lose in Hong Kong.

    Plus i Believe that Bioshock did all it could with current technology whereas Stranglehold seems content to simply drift by with mediocre graphics, Poor storyline and average gameplay.


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    Gizzle
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    The main difference between the two is freshness. Max Payne was refreshing when it was released; mature storyline, dark theme, innovative gunplay (for a game, I realise it borrowed from Woo et al) and black humour. Think of it as a freshly plucked Valencian blood orange bursting with juice.

    On the other hand, Stranglehold is like the bruised and battered Aldi banana you find at the end of your bag after three days.

    Now, time for lunch...


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    NunianVonFuch
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    Gizzle wrote:
    The main difference between the two is freshness. Max Payne was refreshing when it was released; mature storyline, dark theme, innovative gunplay (for a game, I realise it borrowed from Woo et al) and black humour. Think of it as a freshly plucked Valencian blood orange bursting with juice.

    On the other hand, Stranglehold is like the bruised and battered Aldi banana you find at the end of your bag after three days.

    Now, time for lunch...

    Making me hungry... Yes Stranglehold ripped Max Payne but the devs even described as "like Max Payne, but better" and for the most part it is. They just added a couple of new moves an attempt at multiplayer but got rid of the "Hard-boiled" graphic novel style. So basically yay-meh-boo.
    I like Stranglehold. It is fun.
    If Max Payne 2 had all the bells and whistles of Stranglehold I'd prefer it but with Max Payne 3 confirmed I'm getting hungry for a premium steak rather than the beef roast of Stranglehold.


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    Never played Max Payne , but this game reminded me of The Punisher on the Xbox .


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    Gizzle
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    NunianVonFuch wrote:
    If Max Payne 2 had all the bells and whistles of Stranglehold I'd prefer it but with Max Payne 3 confirmed I'm getting hungry for a premium steak rather than the beef roast of Stranglehold.

    Max Payne 3, eh? Keep the same devs and it sounds food-tastic. More mature stilton than easi-single.

    Now, time for dinner...


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    KdjaCL
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    Dre as in Dray wrote:
    Never played Max Payne , but this game reminded me of The Punisher on the Xbox .


    Worth getting its like nearly free in Game on budget labels.

    Camera is ****ed in it but once you master corners, i found just jumping round them in slow mo sorted out any issues.

    kdjac


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    NunianVonFuch
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    Gizzle wrote:
    Max Payne 3, eh? Keep the same devs and it sounds food-tastic. More mature stilton than easi-single.

    Now, time for dinner...

    Kind of odd to correct myself but I checked out the Max Payne 3 thing and my memory muddled it up. Analysts predict it to be out before 2009 and Take 2 reference it as a series they work on. Link is below.

    http://au.gamespot.com/news/6178536.html

    Guess this means no dessert. Well maybe some stilton and crackers. :)


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    the_syco
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    Just played the 2GB demo. Waaaay better than Max Payne. With Max, you had maybe 5 enemies at a time. In Stranglehold, the f**kers just kept coming!

    Rapidshare.com links:
    (mods, it's a legit demo, so I don't see it as against the rules posting the links) 
    http://rapidshare.com/files/56046869/Stranglehold.sfx.part01.exe
http://rapidshare.com/files/56046932/Stranglehold.sfx.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56046980/Stranglehold.sfx.part03.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047034/Stranglehold.sfx.part04.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047081/Stranglehold.sfx.part05.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047127/Stranglehold.sfx.part06.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047175/Stranglehold.sfx.part07.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047228/Stranglehold.sfx.part08.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047261/Stranglehold.sfx.part09.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047307/Stranglehold.sfx.part10.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047363/Stranglehold.sfx.part11.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047411/Stranglehold.sfx.part12.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047473/Stranglehold.sfx.part13.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047525/Stranglehold.sfx.part14.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047576/Stranglehold.sfx.part15.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047639/Stranglehold.sfx.part16.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047690/Stranglehold.sfx.part17.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047750/Stranglehold.sfx.part18.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047802/Stranglehold.sfx.part19.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047860/Stranglehold.sfx.part20.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047909/Stranglehold.sfx.part21.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047922/Stranglehold.sfx.part22.rar

    Will upload video's of me playing the demo, once they encode from a 2GB Fraps output, to a smaller FLV file.

    Small video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR4f_vG8QuU

    Large video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisM_Mxf11c
    ***NOTE*** the first minute and a half is wonky, but after that, it's ok.


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    Gizzle
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    the_syco wrote:
    Just played the 2GB demo. Waaaay better than Max Payne. With Max, you had maybe 5 enemies at a time. In Stranglehold, the f**kers just kept coming!

    Rapidshare.com links:
    (mods, it's a legit demo, so I don't see it as against the rules posting the links) 
    http://rapidshare.com/files/56046869/Stranglehold.sfx.part01.exe
http://rapidshare.com/files/56046932/Stranglehold.sfx.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56046980/Stranglehold.sfx.part03.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047034/Stranglehold.sfx.part04.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047081/Stranglehold.sfx.part05.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047127/Stranglehold.sfx.part06.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047175/Stranglehold.sfx.part07.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047228/Stranglehold.sfx.part08.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047261/Stranglehold.sfx.part09.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047307/Stranglehold.sfx.part10.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047363/Stranglehold.sfx.part11.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047411/Stranglehold.sfx.part12.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047473/Stranglehold.sfx.part13.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047525/Stranglehold.sfx.part14.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047576/Stranglehold.sfx.part15.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047639/Stranglehold.sfx.part16.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047690/Stranglehold.sfx.part17.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047750/Stranglehold.sfx.part18.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047802/Stranglehold.sfx.part19.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047860/Stranglehold.sfx.part20.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047909/Stranglehold.sfx.part21.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/56047922/Stranglehold.sfx.part22.rar

    Will upload video's of me playing the demo, once they encode from a 2GB Fraps output, to a smaller FLV file.

    Small video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR4f_vG8QuU

    Large video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisM_Mxf11c
    ***NOTE*** the first minute and a half is wonky, but after that, it's ok.

    Nah, it's still crap.


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