Iact

lukin

Has anyone here ever done a course with these guys:
http://www.iact.ie/iopen24/product_info.php?products_id=5

They are very expensive; €3,995 for Webmaster Professional Level 2, €2,495 for Level 1 (there's also an Internet ASP Programming course for €1,995) but if you want to learn something in a hurry (like I do) then I'd consider it.
I could probably learn most of that stuff from books but it would take too long.

forbairt

that seems like silly money to me ...

The courses are probably very good (I've no idea to be honest about them) ... but if you are able to learn yourself ... set aside the time and so on .. then for 25 quid a month you could sign up to something like http://www.lynda.com/ and they give VERY good video tutorials on ... pretty much everything ... find out what you need .. and go through their courses ...

lukin

Crazy money I admit, thanks for that link but it doesn't have anything that will show me how to create a database driven web site from scratch as well as managing a web server.
That's what I really want to learn, I know all bout HTML,CSS,Javascript etc.
I read a book on ASP (Beginning ASP.NET 2.0 with C Sharp) so I have a basic knowledge on that.
I have a degree in software development but every time I apply for web developer jobs they ask for "a portfolio of your work" .
What I want is to put up a really good site that shows what I can do.
That takes time and that I don't have!

forbairt

Hmm... a database driven website is "simple" ... link here for php and mysql ... I haven't really read through it ... but I'll assume its ok as its a sitepoint one ...

http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/ddws/index.html

I'm still thinking 3grand is crazy money ... but it all depends what your time is worth ...

you say you don't have the time to learn ... but if you are going to do the course don't you need time so .... ?


BTW from lynda.com ... http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=184 which I do believe is what you've just asked for ...

lukin

Thanks again for the links, this one (http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=184) says

"While this title uses ColdFusion to demonstrate dynamic development in Dreamweaver, the same procedures and concepts also apply to ASP, PHP, .NET, or any other server-side language."

Could be worth a shot, seems to be a lot of content there but I would really like to develop a site in ASP.NET, not Dreamweaver. ASP is where all the jobs are it seems.

forbairt

http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=301

chapter 14 ..... hmmm I'd say ... pay the 25 quid ... have a play for a month ... if you're dedicated ... you can do some good things within a month ...

Cancel after the month if you want ... (wonders if lynda has an affiliate scheme )

Do you have the basics of webdesign ... or what is your level ..

compare the 25 quid ... to 3000 .... there's a big difference ....

Alternatively ... I'm sure there are tutorials online ... for ASP.net sites ...

Take a look at ... http://www.asp.net/ajax/ ... I went through that stuff before and its quite amazing ... take a week off work or something ... the alternative is 3k and I'm not sure how long the course is for .. ? ...

lukin

forbairt wrote:

Do you have the basics of webdesign ... or what is your level ..

Pfft, hard to say, I did it in second year of a five year course, it was only a two hour lab a week, 100 percent CA. There was 70 percent going for a site we had to design but it was just stuff like tables, lists etc. and a little javascript. The other 30 percent was for little projects but I got a distinction in the end. But it was piss easy in fairness.

forbairt wrote:

take a week off work or something ..

I'm off work all the time!

forbairt wrote:

I'm not sure how long the course is for .. ? ...

10 Days or 20 Evenings

forbairt

ok .... here are a few tips ... take from them what you will ...


first step ... I'm assuming you're on a windows box ... because I have very little experience with IIS at the moment I'll say ... download wampserver http://www.wampserver.com/en/index.php

second step ... download yourself ... a copy of wordpress and install this ...

This will have you up and running on your local machine ... with a blog ... ooooh wow I hear you say .. I can't wait ... but seriously ... install it ... have a play ...

WampServer comes with a handy database tool ... by default your root password will be blank ... so it'll get you acustomed to a bit of sql as well ... you'll have your basics ..

use database
show tables
select * from tablename

and so on ...

what it will also give you is .. the ability to have something up and running very quickly and content to boot that you can play with ...

if you've any questions ... need a hand with anything just give me a pm / im .. I'm online way too much .. :eek:


I think something like this should be your first step into webdesign ...

It gives you .... a system up and running in less than an hour ...
the ability to play ... and see whats happening in the code ...
it gives you access to templates .. (wordpress has loads of templates) .. I'll assume you've no interest in design ? ... just in getting something up and running ..

anyways its saturday night ... I've had too much wine with dinner and I'm rambling ... no doubt others will have an asp.net ... solution for you .... this is my solution for you ... take 3 days ... have a play see how you get on ... its also good to have a semi goal set up for yourself ... what do you want at the end of this ... a fully functional site ? ... a basic webpage ... something driven from a database .. (wordpress / blog ) ...

lukin

forbairt wrote:

ok .... here are a few tips ... take from them what you will ...


first step ... I'm assuming you're on a windows box ... because I have very little experience with IIS at the moment I'll say ... download wampserver http://www.wampserver.com/en/index.php

second step ... download yourself ... a copy of wordpress and install this ...

This will have you up and running on your local machine ... with a blog ... ooooh wow I hear you say .. I can't wait ... but seriously ... install it ... have a play ...

WampServer comes with a handy database tool ... by default your root password will be blank ... so it'll get you acustomed to a bit of sql as well ... you'll have your basics ..

use database
show tables
select * from tablename

and so on ...

what it will also give you is .. the ability to have something up and running very quickly and content to boot that you can play with ...

if you've any questions ... need a hand with anything just give me a pm / im ..
I'm online way too much .. :eek:


I think something like this should be your first step into webdesign ...

It gives you .... a system up and running in less than an hour ...
the ability to play ... and see whats happening in the code ...
it gives you access to templates .. (wordpress has loads of templates) .. I'll assume you've no interest in design ? ... just in getting something up and running ..

anyways its saturday night ... I've had too much wine with dinner and I'm rambling ... no doubt others will have an asp.net ... solution for you .... this is my solution for you ... take 3 days ... have a play see how you get on ... its also good to have a semi goal set up for yourself ... what do you want at the end of this ... a fully functional site ? ... a basic webpage ... something driven from a database .. (wordpress / blog ) ...

Good for me that you are!
I'll try what you said, thanks.

terry_s

Hi lukin

I completed this course a cuple of years back. the price is very steep but my company covered it .
The javascript section i found very good .The database section was ok it also covered IIS ,xml and XSLT . But in the end you really have to go and practice,practice.

I found the class room option good because if i had problems i could get get answers straight away.

lukin

terry_s wrote:

Hi lukin

I completed this course a cuple of years back. the price is very steep but my company covered it .
The javascript section i found very good .The database section was ok it also covered IIS ,xml and XSLT . But in the end you really have to go and practice,practice.

I found the class room option good because if i had problems i could get get answers straight away.

Thanks for the reply. Tell me, did you do the course to help you get employment in the area of web development? If so, did you?

terry_s

thankfully i already worked in this area so no.

I would recommend that you buy beginning php5 by wrox
http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/productCd-0764557831.html
and
Beginning Javascript
http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/productCd-0764544055.html

Its a far cheaper option but if you can afford iact course then best of luck.

GP

lukin wrote:

Could be worth a shot, seems to be a lot of content there but I would really like to develop a site in ASP.NET, not Dreamweaver. ASP is where all the jobs are it seems.

Dreamweaver (like FrontPage, VisualStudio) is a software application that allows you to CREATE websites using whatever language you prefer. In your case it would be .NET but you can equally use php, classic asp, jsp etc

Don't confuse a program with a programming / scripting language.

I think you may need to do some googling to get up to speed as to exactly what you requrie and then decide what course you want to do.

There's plenty of online tutorials just to get a feel for things.