Chelsea fans how do you feel ??

jackdaw

ME im shocked .. but I think im more pissed off about Grant being the new manager !!!

if it was someone like Lippi or Hiddink with a good CV it wouldn't be so bad .. but this useless cúnt !!!! who the hell is he ??

he almost had Isreal in the WC !!!! wow!!!!!

I could coach Isreal to the brink of WC qualification FFS!!!


edit -- ok i see there's not much Chelsea fans out there!!

growler

gutted.

Grant won't last long though.

He'll be gone by Christmas.

jackdaw

I think so yeah .. but by then i'm sure the damage will be done , at least for the league anyway...

Theboinkmaster

It says alot about the club chelsea have become when this morning there were no fans at stamford bridge and several reporters commented on this....

V9

gutted, but if he couldn't make the team he wanted to I don't blame him.

growler

Theboinkmaster wrote:

It says alot about the club chelsea have become when this morning there were no fans at stamford bridge and several reporters commented on this....

Fascinating, what does it say exactly?

Chelsea fans have jobs?

Chelsea fans don't stand outside empty stadia for no apparent reason?

Reporters would comment on anything, its their job.

:rolleyes:


Chelsea fans will be gathering from 6pm at the Bridge.

Hyzepher

Atmosphere at the next home game will be telling.

Corben Dallas

*not Chelski Fan.

Well done RA and the Chelski board. ManU will have a stroll to the Prem League Champions, only worry is Liverpool.......... lol

'The Special One' will be missed and Premier League will be a poorer place for it.

kronsington

few questions for chelsea fans


do you know if grant is a stop-gap until someone better comes along?


are you completely surprises? did you see this on the cards?


if so, did it begin with the signings of ballack and sheva, apparently against jose's wishes?


who would you (realistically) like to see come in (you aint getting wenger)


what does this mean for the future of lampard, cole, terry and the rest of the blue crew?

~Rebel~

jackdaw wrote:

ME im shocked .. but I think im more pissed off about Grant being the new manager !!!

if it was someone like Lippi or Hiddink with a good CV it wouldn't be so bad .. but this useless cúnt !!!! who the hell is he ??

he almost had Isreal in the WC !!!! wow!!!!!

I could coach Isreal to the brink of WC qualification FFS!!!


edit -- ok i see there's not much Chelsea fans out there!!

I wouldn't be too sure Grant is viewed as the long term replacement. Havent seen anythign saying he's been offered a 2/4 year managers contract with pay rise or anything.

Its fully standard for a club to appoint the number 2 as manager while they wait and see who's available and who they can get. Jose only left yesterday, you can hardly expect Juande Ramos waiting at the door! If Grant does ok, then maybe he'll get the job properly, if not he'll be back to his previous role with a new manager brought in.

Also how do you not know who Avram Grant is as a Chelsea fan? There was a massive furore when he joined due to the tensions between Roman and Jose and it being seen this was a move to take some power/responsibility from Jose

Zapp Brannigan

I'd say Cappelo could be offered the job.
I'm hoping (as a Liverpool fan) this just disrupts the Chelsea team and puts them out of the title race.

bullpost

Premiership footballers are notoriously fickle and I suspect most of the team will settle down after a while. One or two may need to purchase a new motor to compensate for the inconvenience . I would expect Lamps to leave at end of season now and possibly Drogba as well because no other manager will treat him as Jose did, especially given what we think Abramovich is looking for. I'm sorry to see him go as he was a gas man and he did bring success but ultimately for the money forked out I wanted to see more entertaining football played. Don't think Grant will be in charge too long - simply there to steady the ship!
Looking forward to next season already ;-)

KdjaCL

Grant already bought players via roman, roman and grant will pick the team and Chelsea are now the new Hearts.

Chelsea going all out attack should be funny



kdjac

Necronomicon

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

I'd say Cappelo could be offered the job.

I'm not so sure - didn't he get the boot from Madrid for pretty much the exact same reason?

TwoShedsJackson

Capello is one of the most defensively-minded coaches around, if Abramovich want's Chelsea winning with flair and style, Capello is certainly not the man to go for.

Lippi's still on a career break after winning the World Cup isn't he? Hiddink will probably be in there after Euro 2008, otherwise Lippi.

Raekwon

What about Didier Deschamps? He is an ex-Chelsea player and he got an average Monaco side into the CL final in 2004 and then got Juventus back into Seria A last season. He could be worth a punt.

Ekancone

I reckon Carlos Querioz could be a shocka appointment!

iregk

Raekwon wrote:

What about Didier Deschamps? He is an ex-Chelsea player and he got an average Monaco side into the CL final in 2004 and then got Juventus back into Seria A last season. He could be worth a punt.

To be fair he did a good job with Monaco but last season was nothing special from him. The top team went down, kept most of their players and won serie b. Given the team it wasn't overly hard.

As a blues man I'm gutted. Jose was class and love him or loath him he was box office gold. There is noone else in the premiership that has his carisma and watchability. the premiership will miss him.

The comment regarding "oh there were no chelsea fans outside the stadium" I thought was funny. Considering we all heard the story on our way to work what did you expect them all to do? Ring in to their boss and say eh not coming in today Jose is gone! Yeah says a lot about us doesn't it. We play out of a posh part of london where unemployment isn't exactly an epidemic. From 5 onwards yesterday evening the fans started to arrive so what does that say about us? We work for a living!!!

Replacements I'd like to see Guss Hiddink or Phil Scolari myself. I'd love Ancelotti but thats not on the cards. Grant, I couldn't believe it when someone told me about him. What a joke. I'm really hoping its a short term stop gap or that he turns out to be Arsene Wenger in disguise!

PHB

It'll really have to be a continental manager who is willing to accept the role as manager and not the person who buys players.

whiskeyman

KdjaCL wrote:

Grant already bought players via roman, roman and grant will pick the team and Chelsea are now the new Hearts

Yup - It was only a matter of time.
I'm surprised Jose lasted thro the summer. I didn't think he'd be here for the start of the season, and don't know where the 'surprise' is to be honest that he's gone.

Oh, and if you think things couldn't get worse for Chelski...

big b

iregk wrote:

To be fair he did a good job with Monaco but last season was nothing special from him. The top team went down, kept most of their players and won serie b. Given the team it wasn't overly hard.

apart from Cannavaro, Zambrotta, Thuram, Viera, Ibrahamovic & Mutu. :rolleyes:

and with a minus 9 point start to the league too..........I think he did alright.

An Citeog

Neil Warnock's still available aswell. Wonder if he'll try and throw his name into the hat?

bullpost

That's unfair. The Gaffer can't be bought - In fact you couldn't give him away ;-)

whiskeyman wrote:

Yup - It was only a matter of time.
I'm surprised Jose lasted thro the summer. I didn't think he'd be here for the start of the season, and don't know where the 'surprise' is to be honest that he's gone.

Oh, and if you think things couldn't get worse for Chelski...

eirebhoy

jackdaw wrote:

he almost had Isreal in the WC !!!! wow!!!!!

I could coach Isreal to the brink of WC qualification FFS!!!

If it was Brazil or Italy I could understand that statement...

He was known in Israel as the luckiest manager in the world.

jackdaw

yeah the fact that RA is to have say in the team from now on !!!

this is ridiculous , surely Kenyon knows this guy has no clue about football,
if you have this guy interfering it's a recipe for disaster !!

And as for a new manager , i would like Ramos from Sevilla ...

An Citeog

jackdaw wrote:

yeah the fact that RA is to have say in the team from now on !!!

this is ridiculous , surely Kenyon knows this guy has no clue about football,
if you have this guy interfering it's a recipe for disaster !!

And as for a new manager , i would like Ramos from Sevilla ...

How long did you actually expect him to bankroll Chelsea for before he started wanting to do things his own way aand making little adjustments here and there. You don't get to be as rich and successful as he is by taking a back seat in business matters. It seems as if the novelty has worn off and now he wants some return for his money. IMO, he wants to create a dynasty and be remembered fondly by those in world football.

Corben Dallas

And of course RA can use his business skills to win on the pitch

Good in Business wont get u a winning Football team.

Look at our own Irish Footballin genius ........John Delaney! lol "Stan is a world class manger..." and all that.

Stick to counting beans Delaney! :mad:

An Citeog

Corben Dallas wrote:

And of course RA can use his business skills to win on the pitch

That's not the point I'm making. RA has invested a hell of a lot of money in Chelsea and doesn't seem to be happy with the return he's getting. I don't think he grew up as a Chelsea fan who has had to endure the barren times and doesn't care how Chelsea win, as long as they do.

Chelsea fans were delighted with Mourinho because he's a winner and it was more a case of the ends justifying the means. RA just doesn't seem to share that point of view. Can't really blame him tbh after the amount of money he's pumped into the club.

Zapp Brannigan

SSN seem to think Grant is the permanent manager! Surely not!?

thebaz

i assume grant is just a puppet so as Abramovic can play fantasy manager , and interfere like that looper up at Hearts

kinaldo

jackdaw wrote:

but this useless cúnt !!!! who the hell is he ??

he almost had Isreal in the WC !!!! wow!!!!!

I could coach Isreal to the brink of WC qualification FFS!!

Why is he a useless cúnt exactly, and what makes it so easy to coach Israel?

I seriously doubt you could coach them to the brink of WC qualification seeing as you can't even spell Israel.

d22ontour

I am just happy Vialli is sad.

shane86

In fairness, if you were to exclude the Slovak 91st equaliser, Stan coached us to the brink of euro qualifacation. Hey, if the Czechs manage their 3 worst game run in football history we will make it with 3 wins :rolleyes:

Doesnt cover the fact some of them were brutal games. For a big prem manager you want someone who has went to the q`s of a major tournament. Either that or someone who won multiple domestic titles.

Id like to see him return eventually, maybe post Rafa Liverpool, or even post Fergie Man U (god forbid if a reason ever comes up for me to cheer on Man U, but ive always admired Mourhinos confidence, along with his **** the world attitude and his mentally out there speeches/comments). He had prev said he wanted to retire as the Portuguese national coach. Hes only 44 or thereabouts, probably has another 10-20 years of club management left. As many has said he was the prems biggest character of recent years, love or loath Chelsea i think everyone will miss his input. RA will live to regret sacking a manager with his record, the an seems to think a world class manager should take the treble every year.

As for the drugs/guns chant i mentioned earlier, i must admit i never heard it myself, i read about it in a newspaper article, the "is it guns, is it drugs" was apparently sang to the only fools and horses theme.

Maybe it never caught on

thebaz

thebaz wrote:

i assume grant is just a puppet so as Abramovic can play fantasy manager , and interfere like that looper up at Hearts

Exactly, Abramovich doesnt want a coach world renowned for their qualities, rather someone who'll do as he's told. Yes he did invest a huge amount, but alot of other owners invested every single penny they had in a club and never interfered with the team.

Chelsea are the new Hearts. Its sad to see in football. please god he'll get sick of his play thing and move on soon and annoy some other fans. disgraceful way to treat a manager who led the team to back to back leagues.

Im_No_Superman

Absolutely unbelievable goings on behind the scenes at that club!
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,2175106,00.html

KdjaCL

Im_No_Superman wrote:

Absolutely unbelievable goings on behind the scenes at that club!
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,2175106,00.html

Altho crazy, any Hearts fan will tell you its par for the course and get used to it.

Bohs player Des Byrne has a lovely story of how nice a guy terry is, fact he cant perform without makele in front of him proves to me he is not the great defender England make him out to be.

interesting times ahead.


kdjac

Peyton Manning

More details emerging:


'Tears, hugs and two icy handshakes'


Jose Mourinho's reign at Chelsea ended emotionally, with warm dressing-room embraces for 23 of his players - and a cold handshake for Andriy Shevchenko and skipper John Terry. His departure, though, was a long time coming. Duncan Castles reports

Sunday September 23, 2007
The Observer

Tuesday, 10pm, home dressing room, Stamford Bridge. Andriy Shevchenko is taking Michael Essien to task on his performance in the night's embarrassing 1-1 draw with Rosenborg. The former European footballer of the year tells Africa's finest midfielder that he tried to make too many passes through the centre of the Norwegians' formation where '70 percent of their players were'. Essien learns he should have been passing to the wings 'where they only had 30 percent of their men'.

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Not the most insightful of tactical advice, but then these are not the thoughts of a Ukraine international, they are those of a Russian billionaire. Standing beside Shevchenko, tactics board in hand, Roman Abramovich is the man telling Essien how to play football. Shevchenko is merely there to translate. In another room, attending to the press, Mourinho is utterly unaware of his employer's actions.

Tuesday, 7:11pm, the home dressing room. Chelsea's squad of 18 are called out for their pre-match warm up. All the players step out for the carefully prepared drill - except one. John Terry remains sitting where he is. One of Jose Mourinho's assistants urges Terry out. Chelsea's captain refuses, swears, and, according to an eye witness, says he is upset and has 'things on my mind'. Terry is said to be furious after finding out that Mourinho had been asking in Chelsea's treatment room whether there was a medical reason for his perceived loss of form over recent weeks. The stand-off continues until a team-mate cajoles his friend out on to the pitch.

The game starts, Chelsea quickly lose a goal at a free kick as Miika Koppinen stretches ahead of Terry to turn in a near-post cross. Chelsea go in at half time 1-0 down and Jose Mourinho takes his captain to task, blaming the defender for the deficit. Terry says nothing but all his team-mates can see the anger on his face.

The pair had once been the closest of footballing allies, but within 24 hours Mourinho is no longer Terry's manager as Chelsea agree to a £10.5million pay-off to rid themselves of a man they describe as 'the most successful manager the club has known'.

'The relationship broke down not because of one detail or because of something that happened at a certain moment. It broke down over a period of time.' - Jose Mourinho, 21 September 2007.

To understand how the winner of two Premier League titles, two League Cups and one FA Cup, a man who averaged an unprecedented 2.33 points from his 120 Premiership games in just over three seasons, steadily became persona non grata at the club he made great, it is necessary to return to the summer of 2005.

'In Jose's first season everything was fine,' said a Chelsea employee who suffered the Abramovich guillotine long before the Portuguese. 'He came in, he won the title by miles, almost made the Champions League final, everyone was happy. But then it all began to go wrong. Peter Kenyon started thinking it was his genius as a chief executive that was important. Abramovich's mates were telling him his money had done it and any half-decent coach would win the league with those resources. They forgot that the most important man at any club is the manager.'

That summer, Chelsea poached Tottenham Hotspur's sporting director Frank Arnesen at a cost of £5m. Ostensibly recruited to revolutionise the club's sub-standard youth ranks, the Dane was actually brought in on the recommendation of Piet de Visser, a well-known Dutch talent scout who had advised Abramovich on football matters from his first months as Chelsea owner.

Arnesen and De Visser, friends and allies from their time together at Dutch club PSV Eindhoven, steadily worked to influence Abramovich's thinking on the first team, and, most importantly, player recruitment. Along with the agents Soren Lerby, Vlado Lemeic and Pini Zahavi they sought to steer Abramovich towards the purchase of certain footballers. Their objective, according to one source, was 'to get to Abramovich's money. To do that they needed power at the club, needed a manager who would do what they wanted. Mourinho was not that manager.'

Thus emerged a power struggle in which Arnesen and others seemed to undermine Mourinho by questioning him at every opportunity. When Mourinho went to war with Uefa over the actions of referees they told Abramovich his coach was embarrassing the club. When Mourinho's team dourly won key matches by a goal to nil, they told the owner a better coach would win by more goals and bring him far more flamboyant football. When a Mourinho signing failed to perform on the pitch, they told Abramovich that better players could be found elsewhere.

Within a year, and despite Mourinho's success in claiming a second successive Premiership, the manager had lost control of transfers. In the 2006 summer window, Mourinho asked the board to buy Samuel Eto'o; they spent a UK record £30m on Shevchenko. Chelsea sold William Gallas to Arsenal against Mourinho's wishes, and forced the £7m Khalid Boulahrouz upon him, while Arnesen compounded the error of allowing Chelsea's most effective defender to leave the club by pulling the plug on the £5m purchase of Micah Richards. Inside a season Richards was a full England international, while Boulahrouz was stinking out the reserves until Chelsea paid Sevilla to take him off their hands.

At least Mourinho could easily leave the Dutch defender out of the first team. A personal friend of Abramovich's, Shevchenko played regardless of his performances, and those were usually awful. In his first 26 appearances for Chelsea, the Ukrainian striker scored five goals. His coaches and team-mates often felt as though Chelsea were playing with 10 men and Mourinho was faced with a problem - should he leave out the owner's pal or lose the faith of the rest of the team?

As January approached, Mourinho asked to be allowed to sign a new striker. The board refused. Mourinho asked for a centre-back to cover for Terry, then sidelined with a serious back problem. The board offered him a choice between Alex, a Brazilian bought via De Visser and 'parked' at PSV for two seasons, and Tal Ben Haim, a Zahavi client. Mourinho wanted neither.

Worse still, Chelsea's manager was instructed to sack one of his assistants and add the Israeli Avram Grant to his coaching staff. When he refused, the club descended into open warfare.

Mourinho dropped Shevchenko from his first team, leaking the story to a national newspaper in an open challenge to Abramovich to sack him. On an emotional afternoon at Stamford Bridge the manager first rallied his team around him, then sent them out to overrun Wigan 4-0. Long before kick-off the Chelsea supporters were chanting 'Stand up for the Special One' through standing ovation after standing ovation.

An infuriated Abramovich ceased attending games and instructed his advisors to find a replacement coach. Mourinho let it be known that he would leave, but only on payment of the outstanding value of his contract - about £28m comprising £5.2m per annum for three-and-a-half years and up to £10m in bonuses. In the meantime he kept winning matches, pushing his injury-hit squad to within a few games of a remarkable quadruple.

Ultimately Chelsea won the League Cup and the FA Cup, forcing Abramovich to reconcile with his manager. A consciously 'mellow' Mourinho promised to avoid conflict with opposing managers and football authorities, accepted restrictions on his transfer budget, and reshaped his team in a more flamboyant 4-4-2 formation. Fatefully, he also acceded to the appointment of Grant as Chelsea's director of football.

Though some in Mourinho's camp had Grant pinned as a 'Mossad Spy' from the off, the manager attempted to work with him, holding long meetings with him during the club's staggeringly positive pre-season US tour and letting it be known that he welcomed his arrival as a buffer against Arnesen and route to Abramovich. The early-season optimism, however, swiftly evaporated.

Grant began calling individual players aside to ask them questions.

'You look sad, why?' 'How do you feel in this position?' 'Is this the best place for you to play?' 'Are we using your abilities well?' Because many of them complained about this to Mourinho, the manager decided to cut back radically on team meetings, the only one this season having been arranged for the Jewish New Year when Grant had returned to Israel.

While Grant looked on at training, Shevchenko treated it with disdain. A morose, lonely figure around the camp, he seemed to show more interest in improving his golf swing than his shooting. As the first team prepared for their final pre-season friendly against Danish side Brondby, Shevchenko declared himself unfit with a back problem. A 2-0 victory ensured the £121,000-a-week striker was not missed, but Mourinho was bemused to discover that Shevchenko's bad back had not prevented him from enjoying a round of golf at Sunningdale that day.

The board, though, were not interested and the club's descent continued. Other players began to realise what was happening, that the summer's peace was a false one, that their manager had no support from the top. 'The mentality became weaker and weaker,' said one insider. 'You could feel the team's strength sapping away.'

Mourinho knew his time at Chelsea was coming to an end. At Uefa's forum for elite coaches in Geneva a fortnight ago he allowed Premier League rivals an insight into his thinking. 'Mourinho said he loved Chelsea and he loved English football, but thought he would not stay for long,' said one coach. 'One of us asked him why. He wouldn't answer, but it was obvious something was seriously wrong.'

His next Champions League match brought the end. On Wednesday afternoon the board asked Mourinho to resign, citing his handling of Shevchenko, his attitude to authority and, crucially, his relationship with Terry as reasons why he should go. Mourinho refused to walk, and fought only to maximise his pay-off as Chelsea apparently threatened to call club employees to testify against him at any employment tribunal.

A £10.5m pay-off was agreed and the following morning Mourinho made a final trip to the training centre at Cobham to pick up his possessions and say goodbye to his squad. There was a message in each farewell. For most there was a Latin embrace and warm words of thanks. For Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard the emotions were so strong that both men were reduced to tears, Lampard retreating to the shower room in an attempt to hide his. For Shevchenko and Terry there was nothing but a handshake that, in the words of one observer, could have 'frozen a mug of tea'. No one was in any doubt about who he considered the true captains of his team.

Out with the old, in with the new. Furious at Mourinho's dismissal, senior players describe Grant's appointment as 'a disgrace'. Some at Cobham call him 'an idiot' and describe his coaching techniques as '25 years behind the times'. Abramovich pushes the Israeli around 'without a hint of respect'.

Former academy coach Brendan Rogers has been drafted in to help out with the first team, a promotion that may not be unconnected to the one-on-one training sessions he gave Abramovich's son. Only in Steve Clarke is there the level of football knowledge to deal with a squad full of international superstars. As the sole survivor of Mourinho's cadre of four assistant managers, the Scotsman has an unenviable task.

But then neither he nor Grant will be picking the team. As Michael Essien discovered on Tuesday night, the new manager of Chelsea is also the owner.

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Roman Abromavic giving Michael Essien instructions with Andriy Shevchenko as a translator, while Jose is unaware talking to the press. You cant make this stuff up. Chelsea are in serious trouble here - something most people have been predicting ever since Roman came into the picture.

An Citeog

Deleted User wrote:

Exactly, Abramovich doesnt want a coach world renowned for their qualities, rather someone who'll do as he's told. Yes he did invest a huge amount, but alot of other owners invested every single penny they had in a club and never interfered with the team.

Chelsea are the new Hearts. Its sad to see in football. please god he'll get sick of his play thing and move on soon and annoy some other fans. disgraceful way to treat a manager who led the team to back to back leagues.

You can't really compare the 2. Most football clubs are run like businesses, the end goal being to make a profit eg. Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal. The reason owners invest so much without interfering in the team is because they believe it to be the best way to bring success to the club and thus, earn the most profit. There are also the owners who are die-hard fans of their clubs and invest money more out of love than anything else. Abramovich is neither! He's not at Chelsea out of love for such a magnificent club, nor is he there for the money. He had a lot of extra cash lying around and decided to do something exciting with it. Some people buy a sports car, RA buys a football club. Either way, it's akin to a midlife crisis!

Did Chelsea fans really expect RA's indefinite financial backing without wanting to get involved himself? He just seems to have gotten bored and maybe his crisis has passed. Now he wants to get a bit of fun and enjoyment out of his club. He wants to play manager, even if he doesn't really know how. It's more a case of, it's my ball and I want to play with it.

Chelsea fans would do well to remember which side their bread is buttered because without RA, none of this would have been possible. He doesn't exactly have the greatest emotional ties to Chelsea and there's nothing stopping him from pulling out of the club and stripping away the assets if he feels it isn't worth the hassle he's getting from the fans. Interesting times lie ahead!

An Citeog

An Citeog wrote:

You can't really compare the 2. Most football clubs are run like businesses, the end goal being to make a profit eg. Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal. The reason owners invest so much without interfering in the team is because they believe it to be the best way to bring success to the club and thus, earn the most profit. There are also the owners who are die-hard fans of their clubs and invest money more out of love than anything else. Abramovich is neither! He's not at Chelsea out of love for such a magnificent club, nor is he there for the money. He had a lot of extra cash lying around and decided to do something exciting with it. Some people buy a sports car, RA buys a football club. Either way, it's akin to a midlife crisis!

Did Chelsea fans really expect RA's indefinite financial backing without wanting to get involved himself? He just seems to have gotten bored and maybe his crisis has passed. Now he wants to get a bit of fun and enjoyment out of his club. He wants to play manager, even if he doesn't really know how. It's more a case of, it's my ball and I want to play with it.

Chelsea fans would do well to remember which side their bread is buttered because without RA, none of this would have been possible. He doesn't exactly have the greatest emotional ties to Chelsea and there's nothing stopping him from pulling out of the club and stripping away the assets if he feels it isn't worth the hassle he's getting from the fans. Interesting times lie ahead!

spot on yeah you said a mouthful there. Chelsea are indeed RA's hobby. the Glazers/Tom Hicks/Hillwood, etc are business men looking to make a profit but putting their trust into the men of expertise. RA, on the other hand treats Chelsea like a yacht or a helicopter he bought. Its a, 'ive paid all this money for it, so why cant i pilot it?', kind of attitude.