Sack o' Sullivan and The Goons that extended his Contract

keystone

eroo wrote:

why is everybody so fcuking negative!?they can do it and Eddie is an excellent coach!C'MON IRELAND!!!!!!!!

Please enlighten us on how we can be positive........the thought of EOS picking the team for Sunday week........not happening...sorry

kenmc

thebaz wrote:

Trimble had a blinder ,

Really? Or is this a translation of 'Trimble was blind'? Where the fcuk was he for the first try? I thought he was woeful. Even the feckin REF managed to take him out.
Reddan played a class game.
D'arcy was missing - don't think I saw him all game.
Why was o'connell carded? for not catching the ball in the lineout or something? bizarre. Ref did us no favours whatsoever.... can't stand him, never could.

Trojan

eroo wrote:

why is everybody so fcuking negative!?they can do it and Eddie is an excellent coach!C'MON IRELAND!!!!!!!!

Cos Eddie has proven himself too conservative, unable to use players off the bench, lost for ideas, unable to understand why his star players are not performing, totally reactionary, biased against some players, and to top it all of blaming the ref for penalties today is just fscking pathetic.

Man I'm furious. Gobsh!tes giving him an extension before the WC. They should quit too.

is_that_so

It's not negativity , just stating the obvious.
My tuppense worth. I think the extension of the contract was a a poor move. Continuity is all well and good but you need to see what you are getting. One cannot paper over the problems of the last six months. I reckon the RWC is over for us irrespective of any heroics against Argentina and we might be better off to limp off home. I think we need to do what England didn't, is to try and find a few players. Let the young guys in and build a new team. It doesn't matter if we finish 5th in next year's 6N. On that basis EOS is not the man to do it as he is far too conservative. But it doesn't really matter basis we may nail yet another worthless triple crown and go down against France and he'll still be looking for excuses.

Ulysses Gaze

O'Sullivan has been found out at this World Cup and is damn lucky to have signed a 4 year deal. Too one dimensional, with little attacking nous and no ability to harness a 22 man squad. Tactically redundant, he's shot any chance of landing the Lions job in the foot after this debacle. Even if we beat the Argies and scramble into the next round...we'll be hammered by the All Blacks

He's landed 3 Triple Crowns against some of the Weakest English sides since the 1970's and 1980's, a woefully inconsistent Wales and a pretty hopeless Scottish team.

Will he make any meaningful changes before the next game. Drop an obviously mentally 'cracked' O'Gara? Nope. It'll be the same 15. Again.

suppafly

I really don't know what he was thinking about putting in trimble. Murphy and hickie r lght years ahead of him. He was constantly out of position. he even came in side for the try france almost got in the first half and was at fault for the second. Again where the f**k was he?? I'd said Geordan murphy is having a good laugh to himself about that.

EOS actually said in an interview on setanta last night, with even being asking, that he had picked the bench for cover and not for any impact. "i haven't picked what u would call an impact bench". He could have put murphy, quinlan and Carney on the bench. All excellent good impact players but he decides to just put spectators instead.

Also whats up with O'Connell. He called like only 1 or 2 lineouts to himself and even dropped the first one. Has he lost all confidence in himself or what?

Also sadly the discipline was shocking in the match. We gave up 15 points at least cuz of it.

philstar

Stev_o wrote:

I hope and i really hope this is the end of his career. Oh Gatland please come back we regret what we did we truly do!

bring back Gatland??.....u gotta be kidding me, he did next to nothing with the irish team.

Remember Lens 1999 against argentina:o


what we need is a ruthless motherfu&ker from the southern hemisphere someone that can teach us how to win ruthlessly

Morgans

Seriously lads. 2 tries against georgia. 3 pts against France. I said after 10 minutes that we would be lucky to score. A good drop goal, but only one missed penalty kick. Absolutely toothless display.

How to win the game next sunday.

O'kelly starts for O'callaghan
Quinlan and Best start in the back row. Wallace definitely dropped. Needs to be reshuffled somehow.
Hickie comes back
I'd even start Wallace and give O'gara the last 20 minutes if needs be.

Four days of practicing lineouts solid. Even then, I think we will be lucky to get within 10 pts of Argentina. They are the best team in our group. Just cant see how we can win.

D'arcy didnt get to see the ball today. Its not his fault. It shows how inept we were inside him.

Trimble tapped Easterby before the scrum, telling him that he was going off his wing. This was done because he saw Clerc liniing up directly behind the scrum. It would have been fine if they ran the ball, but unlike Ireland, France's players could react to what was happening around them, and Michelak's kick and Clerc 's speed did the rest. Trimble was probably coached to take up that position. I dont blame him. It happens.

There is nothing to be positive about. I am beginning to think that there could be a few more retirements at the end of this WC. With what O'gara is going to face when he comes home, I'm not sure he will be want to stick it anymore. Stringer must be thinking about it. I suppose they are all on too much cash to voluntary drop out, but it is a depressing thought to think they will be the front line in the WC in four years time.

Trojan

When has he EVER picked an impact bench?

Subs are for injuries, right?

acc grinds

So why would anyone expect this team to do well when all they have done is win triple crowns against poor opposition.

suppafly

Oh Gatland please come back we regret what we did we truly do!

Don't lose the run of yurself altogther there. Things r that bad at all that we need that waster back. I took him ages to actually play any of the munster lads when they were at their height

nacho libre

kenmc wrote:

Really? Or is this a translation of 'Trimble was blind'? Where the fcuk was he for the first try? I thought he was woeful. Even the feckin REF managed to take him out.
Reddan played a class game.
D'arcy was missing - don't think I saw him all game.
Why was o'connell carded? for not catching the ball in the lineout or something? bizarre. Ref did us no favours whatsoever.... can't stand him, never could.

i think it was for consistently coming in from the side when rucks had been formed.
is it possible the French are just a better side rather than irish players not performing? it seems to me that in this case the stats don't lie: one victory in Paris over the last 30 years.
The reason Darcy didn't shine was because he living off meagre possession and anytime he did get the ball, it was usually slow ball, and as a consequence the French defence was waiting for him.
Rugby matches are determined by who wins the forward battle. yes you can point to o gara's state of mind but even the best fly half in the world won't change the outcome when your line out implodes and your forwards are shunted backwards in open play. When this happens it means possession to the back line will be slow and the backline will lack fluidity as a result. It also makes it easier for the opposing team to defend. France with their superior strength in the forwards were able to make yardage, suck in irish defenders and recycle quick ball and get the backline going. Ireland were not able to do this.
What encapsulated France's physical superiority for me was when they shunted Ireland back when they got close to the French line in the second half.

thebaz

kenmc wrote:

Really? Or is this a translation of 'Trimble was blind'? Where the fcuk was he for the first try? I thought he was woeful. Even the feckin REF managed to take him out.
.

Leamy was class too !!

and Greedie O'Sullivan is also the best coach in the world bar none

Easterby was rubbish ... whats wrong with a bit of sarcasm ?

seriously -- agree regarding D'Arcy , he was rubbish tonight , he relly blows hot and cold , lacks the consistency of O'Driscoll ---

one good thing to come out , there mugs won't be splattered all over the media advertising different wares

dantes74

no doubt but we have been far playing well below par so far in this world but surely it gonna all click any time soon and that will be against argentina ....right???

tolosenc

Wrong

Ulysses Gaze

So why would anyone expect this team to do well when all they have done is win triple crowns against poor opposition.

Because we beat the Aussies and a Second String Springbok team in two friendlies, at home, a year ago.

Overhyped beyond belief.

EdgarAllenPoo

I said it in a different thread but I wonder if/when New Zealand bottle it will Graham Henry be looking for a job then the IRFU better find a loophole in EOS's contract.

You might say anyone can coach the All Blacks because they're the All Blacks but if that was the case teams wouldn't have coaches.
I don't care if you dislike Henry he'd do a better job with the players we have than EOS.

Ulysses Gaze

There's no chance O'Sullivan has signed a contract with a performance clause. He far too clever for that. If he's going, he gonna be given a hefty redundancy package!

So, we are stuck with him.....for now.

Graham Henry wouldn't be bad.....

Just no Declan Kidney!!!!!!!!!

JC 2K3

Yes, but with 4 tries? No.

RugBeir

yeah, I agree whole heartedly - sack him.

EdgarAllenPoo

*waits for some angry teenager to start online fire EOS petition*

paulie.walnuts

Remember Lens 1999 against argentina

Remember 2007 against Namibia & Georgia?
Would bring a tear to your eye........

philstar

Ulysses Gaze wrote:

Graham Henry wouldn't be bad.....

but he did absolutely fu&k all with Wales.

philstar

i don't want ireland to beat argentina, because quite frankly they don't deserve to be in quarter finals of the WC.

hopefully this will result in the sacking of EOS, he sucking the creativity and confidence out of this team and must go before it gets worse

paulie.walnuts

Mmmmm.
Loss to Scotland was a “blip”, what should have been a loss to Italy was another “blip”.
Then followed two woeful performances against Namibia and Georgia’s second string. Which were “blips” by the way with a real performance to come.
Then we managed the princely sum of three points in 80 mins on a French team shook by a loss to the Argentinians.
We’re going to click against the Argentinians, and put four tries on them in a weeks time?
We need to start getting real. It’s not going to happen. Believe me, I truly wish it was and maybe it will.
Texted the old man an hour before the game and he was predicting the Irish by three, I went for the French by 20 as it was a nice round number.
He knows a lot more about Irish Rugby than I do (not hard) and is passionate about it. He was letting his heart rule his head and ignoring the cold facts. Can you imagine this Ireland team playing the All Blacks if they did cause a serious upset, you’re talking cricket score territory there if you’re honest with yourself about it.

All that aside …

COME ON LADS PUT IT UP TO THE ARGIES !!!!!!!!

Irish Wolf

I'm so disillusioned at the moment, I tend to agree with philstar.. we don't deserve to make it to the quarters..

Haven't even got the heart or motivation to figure out what combinations are needed for us to make it through..

Mint Sauce

JC 2K3 wrote:

Yes, but with 4 tries? No.

dont forget the +7 points

darkman2

dantes74 wrote:

no doubt but we have been far playing well below par so far in this world but surely it gonna all click any time soon and that will be against argentina ....right???

No, I dont think we can win this game. The 'golden era' is already over. This team is shattered with no ideas left and little motivation at this stage. They are aimless and finished as a unit. BTW most of us here knew that long before the WC began.

paulie.walnuts

I'm so disillusioned

We all are mate. This reminds me of the unfulfilled promise of Saipan or am I just opening up old wounds there. Yeah I am.

RugBeir

paulie.walnuts wrote:

We all are mate. This reminds me of the unfulfilled promise of Saipan or am I just opening up old wounds there. Yeah I am.

We got out of our group in Saipan - no chance of that here!

mike65

This reminds me of The Black Knight sketch in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9HrinSGOvs

Ireland have no limbs left.

Mike.

tolosenc

Wouldn't it be ironic if we made it to the quarters, beat NZ and went on to win this thing?

heyjude

obl wrote:

Wouldn't it be ironic if we made it to the quarters, beat NZ and went on to win this thing?

I don't think ironic is the word,.....how about unbelievable, miraculous or staggering, because if we somehow get into the QF and meet New Zeland playing anything like we've played so far, we could be set for a real thumping.

For to win it, we'd most likely need to beat in consecutive games: Argentina, then New Zealand, then probably Australia in the Semi Final and probably South Africa in the Final. :eek:

Mint Sauce

heyjude wrote:

For to win it, we'd most likely need to beat in consecutive games: Argentina, then New Zealand, then probably Australia in the Semi Final and probably South Africa in the Final. :eek:

prehaps the 4 best performing teams in the WC

heyjude

dantes74 wrote:

no doubt but we have been far playing well below par so far in this world but surely it gonna all click any time soon and that will be against argentina ....right???

If just one or two players were playing below form, then we could have some confidence, but you'd struggle to name too many players in the team, that could say that they've never played better for Ireland. Its been a story of poor performances throughout the team, which means the team goes into the Argentina game very low on confidence. Having said that if the backs were lighting the place up, O'Gara was kicking great and we just needed to win by 20pts, then you might fancy us, but 4 tries, thats a killer. Argentina will try and choke the game, slow down the ball and conceed kickable penalties to avoid try scoring opportunities, they don't need to win, they don't even need to worry if O'Gara kicks 20 penalties, they just need to soak up the pressure and make sure we don't get 2/3 tries in the first half. They also know alternatively that they can afford to conceed 4 tries, so long as they stay within 7pts and get the bonus point!

TheJesusWarrant

Argentina have a better defense than France.
We might beat them, but we won't get 4 tries.

Mint Sauce

you never know, france might lose their last game, then its just a case us winning next sunday

suppafly

GDM wrote:

*waits for some angry teenager to start online fire EOS petition*

they already have one up over on the munsterfans.com forum

Irish Wolf

So this is my understanding of things.. assuming Argentina get the bonus against a second string Namibia side (which isn't stretching the realms of probabilty)..

We need to beat Argentina by more than 7 points - score 4 tries and limit them to less than 4 tries.. then we'll progress..

DeVore

There might be 4 tries in the Ireland-Argentina game but I'm guessing the majority of them wont be for Ireland.

DeV.

bing3

Aargh too mad to post a rational explanation of why 'EOS must go' tonight, but I have never seen such an abject display of rugby by a team of skilled individuals (and I've known the bad times). The team is not playing for him anymore. He must go!

In fairness to eddie he brought us a very long way unti recently. It cant be helped that all our big players apart from O Driscoll are bottlers.

The last two lions tours O Gara was the laughing stock for the Aussies and Kiwi's literally he was a running joke. He couldnt handle the pressure. why different now. Looking at him when the "anthem" was being sung he was almost choking on his own nerves.
O Connell bottled it big time on the big lions games, he knocked the ball on more in one test then the whole kiwi team did in the 3
Darcy was also anonymous and bottled it

Their our big players and none of them can handle the big stage. Add to that Marcus Horan who along with the ref cost us every time we looked like doing anything. The guy was in tears during irelands call, and he played like a big baby for most of the game

Hopefully carney murphy and best will start against argies and we can start playing with some gay abandon...or at least darcy can

brianw

who gives a toss.
they're just a bunch of southside twats with a few token limerick men thrown in. i hope they all drowned in their pints of heineken in donnybrook tonight
and as for that bandwagon jumpin bunch of jester hat wearin oireland knobs in stade de france. sittin in some bistro enjoyin the wine by now
any irish team (in any sport) with a captain speaking with that accent doesnt deserve support.
**** off back to your foreign property investment seminars
top of the mornin'

RuggieBear

brianw wrote:

who gives a toss.
they're just a bunch of southside twats with a few token limerick men thrown in. i hope they all drowned in their pints of heineken in donnybrook tonight
and as for that bandwagon jumpin bunch of jester hat wearin oireland knobs in stade de france. sittin in some bistro enjoyin the wine by now
any irish team (in any sport) with a captain speaking with that accent doesnt deserve support.
**** off back to your foreign property investment seminars
top of the mornin'

erm. most of the team are from munster. Dempsey and o'kelly (i believe) are the only ones who played last night from the dublin south side.

with regards to Trimble...he was caught out by a well thought out French move. The french winger had come inside between the scrum and outhalf (as if to be first receiver from the scrum...after the pass to michalak, he bolted for the blindside to get to the kick he knew was coming. Trimble's mistake was not to react quickly enough to his man heading back to the blindside.

Snickers Man

brianw wrote:

who gives a toss.
they're just a bunch of southside twats with a few token limerick men thrown in. i hope they all drowned in their pints of heineken in donnybrook tonight
and as for that bandwagon jumpin bunch of jester hat wearin oireland knobs in stade de france. sittin in some bistro enjoyin the wine by now
any irish team (in any sport) with a captain speaking with that accent doesnt deserve support.
**** off back to your foreign property investment seminars
top of the mornin'

Spoken like a true Irishman. I'm so proud to have you as a compatriot.

toomevara

Get Eddie Jones lads, quick! Used to working miracles with a limited front 5 and talented back line. Also we could do with a dose of that Australian cussedness given the total impotence of last night's non-performance or 'death by a thousand cuts' as I prefer to call it.

I know we've allegedly gone beyond the 'boot, bite and bollock' era, but really where was the pride and passion? With a few noble exceptions (the usual stalwarts, you know who they are) we looked rudderless and disinterested...

professore

keystone wrote:

While I agree that EOS is a muppet and have done for a long time. He has played his 'best' team consistently and has blooded nobody new.

However, the players must take some blame, O Gara (I await the Munster backlash here) is NOT world class. The fact is we have nothing else (well EOS doesn't provide anything else). Stringer for all his qualities is not good enough, he is not a Lion...need i say anymore. Reddan is the future for 3-4 years I hope. O Callaghan is too indisciplined, O Kelly is too old and slow....we are struggling at 2nd row at the minute.

As for the front row, a definite force 2 years ago, they are just ageing now.

On the positive side, we have players coming through, Reddan, Ian Humphreys, Neil Best.........the question is, have we any front rows or decent options at 2nd row (dont give me Cullen, Bob Casey as options)??

Maybe we can perform a miricle, Munster have done it many a time in the Heineken Cup or am I clutching at straws!!

I disagree about O'Gara ... he's just playing s***e currently for whatever reason. He looks to be away on another planet.

Hamo

Our "glorious" organisation IRFU has managed to spend an abundance of money over the past two years preparing this 'finely tuned' breed of top class players.....!!! and with the superb guidance and insightful knowledge of EOS resulted with inept performance, poor judgement, players at a loss of strategy POC, ROG, BOD in particular.

I'm completly at a loss to appretiate what I seen last night, in any org EOS would be thanked for his tenure and he would 'move on' this of course will not happen.

Again we've shown to the world our capabiltiy to F**k up when the potential was there for more, I'm one who has again and again spoke of the need to support the Mgmt and team, I my friends now bow to the more experianced moans and join the group of elite critics of this facile 3rd tier rugby nation that such preparation and management have lead us to.... worst of all I have to listen now and agree with Niel F, Hook and all the other 'experts'

batman2000

I agree EOS has to go, having a bench that is only for injuries is crap.Every other nation is using their bench to change things is they are going wrong, yet EOS refuses to do that. He believes that the 15 he has out on the pitch are his best and if they are playing badly they THEY must get themselves out of the mess, which is toss cause if they couldn't do in the first place they aren't going to get themselves out of it.

Redden played well and Easterby wasn't bad either. Flannery, O'Connell, O'Callaghan, Trimble (absolutly rubbish), BOD and ROG all played with no heart, no passion, no belief. Prob cause EOS gave them none along with no gameplan. EOS said it would be a short gameplan..ha short alright it only lasted 20mins. This crap of having a Ulsterman on the squad just 'to please the Ulster rugby board' is toss. If they are crap don't play them, enough of this politics crap. Play G.Murphy and feck it give Paddy Wallace a chance, can't do any worse than ROG . Also play Mal, Hickie, Redden, Carney, Quinlan

batman2000

Yeahhhh my 100th post....anyway back to the shambles they call the IRFU and the Irish rugby squad of a golden generation of world class players. !!