Ahmadinejad interview on CBS

Mick86

lostexpectation wrote:

Ahmadinejad isn't really playing the MAD game very well if he says he isn't developing nukes, is he?

You cannot Assure the Destruction of your enemy until you actually have nukes. Telling your enemy that you will Assuredly Destroy him as soon as you have nukes is a sure and certain way of Assuring your own Destruction during the development process.

gbh

Compared to the Neo-cons who destroyed Iraq and are directly responsible for 100,000's of deaths of innocent civilians, the guy is a saint. Would I trust him more than the Neo-Cons? Absolutely.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Good info on the destruction of Israel quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mScWWtRfGQ

karen3212

lostexpectation wrote:

there was motion put to the UN last week to call for nuclear free middle east a ban on testing and a removal of current nuclear weapons, it was put forward by arab countries and it was aimed at Israel, the only current holder of nukes.

ireland was the only eu country and one of the few western countries to vote for the motion, nice to see a bit of independence and reality from ireland on this issue.

this syria - NK weapons research thing is still a mystery...

Yeah, good, we shifted to stand a little, but are we going to stand up if they continue to use our airport to destroy other countries around the world.

I must say I am way more afraid of the US than any other country in the world. I also notice that the BBC are getting v anti-iran these days as well. It was a huge shock to me, I noticed a quick turn in their reporting on the issues with Iran.

Hobbes

Sesshoumaru wrote:

I love how he denied there were homosexuals in Iran.

That bit reminded me of a funny incident. My cousin is about as camp as they come (hits all the stereotypes, not sure if intentional or not).

He was having a discussion with my mother-in-law some years back (being translated). Went something like this.

Cuz: So are there any gays in Korea?
MiL: No there isn't.
Cuz: There must be at least one?
MiL: No. There are no gays in Korea.
Cuz: Maybe they just keep it quiet?
MiL: No. People would know.
Cuz: What if someone said it to their parents?
MiL: They wouldn't because there are no gays in Korea.

It went on like that for a while. Eventually she asked why he was asking all the questions. So he lied and said he was doing a paper on it. Then he mentioned the gay scene in London at which point her face was "What the hell on earth have you people brought me to?".

Back to the speech, nothing new in it really.

As for turning Iran around to like the US. Isn't going to happen. The CIA helped overthrow an elected government years ago and installed a dictator. When he was thrown out the US then went and armed Irans enemies to help in attacking Iran. Now they are broadcasting they plan a 3 day bombing run on Iran of 1000's of targets.

I see also yesterday some bill passed in the Senate that allows Bush to attack Iran (HR1585. 75 - 23).

I had a read of the bill and it looked a bit like "Free kittens for Orphans" type bill. More likely to crucify anyonee in 2008 election who voted no on it.

Either the intelligence services arent so good and fed the government false information, or the government lied.

There is a good documentary on that (forget the name, came out around F911 movie). Basically the CIA told Bush administration there was nothing there before the war.

digitally-yours

Full text of President Ahmadinejad's address before UNGA


Full text of President Ahmadinejad's address before UNGA

IRNA - Islamic Republic News Agency

United Nations, New York, Sept 26, IRNA
UN-Iran-Ahmadinejad-Address
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran addressed the 62nd session of the UN General Assembly here. Ahmadinejad elaborated on the most important challenges faced by the world today and offered some solutions.

The following is the full text of the president's address:
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

"Oh God, hasten the arrival of Imam Al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those who attest to his rightfulness"

Mr. President, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am pleased and grateful to the Almighty to have the opportunity once again to attend this important universal forum.

In the present tumultuous world and with the predominance of loud outcries, threats and tensions, and at a time when the big powers are unable to solve present problems, when mistrust in regional and international arenas is on the rise, when the psychological security of societies is being targeted by an onslaught of political and propaganda designs, and disappointment prevails over efficacy of policies and actions of the international organizations in the establishment of a durable peace and security, and the protection of human rights is being weakened, I plan to touch upon and explain the roots of and the ways out of these predicaments and some of the principal challenges facing our world.

I will also speak to you about the need for remedying the present situation, prospects for a brighter and a more hopeful future, and about the appearance of the sublime and beauty, compassion and generosity, justice and blossoming of all the God-given human talents and the prominence of faith in God and realization of the promise of God.

I will then submit to your judgment the nuclear issue of Iran as a reality and testing ground for the measurement of honesty, efficacy, steadfastness and accomplishment. In the closing part of my statement, I will offer my proposals.

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

As you are all aware mankind is currently facing important, numerous and diverse challenges and I will refer to some of them.

1. Organized attempts to destroy the institution of family and to weaken the status of women.

Family is the most sacred and valuable human institution that serves as the center of the purest mutual love and affection amongst mothers, fathers and children, and as a safe environment for the nurturing of human generations, and a fertile ground for the blossoming of talents and compassion. This institution has always been respected by all peoples, religions and cultures.

Today we are witnessing an organized invasion by the enemies of humanity and plunderers to destroy this noble institution that is targeted by promoting lewdness, violence and by breaking the boundaries of chastity and decency.

The precious existence of women as the manifestation of divine beauty and as the peak of kindness, affection and purity has been the target of heavy exploitation in recent decades by the holders of power and the owners of media and wealth.

In some societies, this beloved human has been reduced to a mere instrument of publicity, and all the boundaries and protective shields of chastity, purity and beauty have been trampled. This is a colossal betrayal of human society, of succeeding generations, and an irreparable blow to the pillar of social coherence, the family.

2. Widespread violations of human rights, terrorism and occupation

Unfortunately human rights are being extensively violated by certain powers, especially by those who pretend to be their exclusive advocates. Setting up secret prisons, abducting persons, trials and secret punishments without any regard to due process, extensive tapping of telephone conversations, intercepting private mail, and frequent summons to police and security centers have become commonplace and prevalent. They prosecute scientists and historians for stating their opinions on important global issues.

They use various pretexts to occupy sovereign states and cause insecurity and division, and then use the prevailing situation as an excuse to continue their occupation. For more than sixty years, Palestine, as compensation for the loss they incurred during the war in Europe, has been under occupation of the illegal Zionist regime.

The Palestinian people have been displaced or are under heavy military pressure, economic siege or are incarcerated under abhorrent conditions. The occupiers are protected and praised, while the innocent Palestinians are subjected to political, military and propaganda onslaughts.

The people of Palestine are deprived of water, electricity and medicine for the sin of asking for freedom, and the government that was freely elected by the people is targeted.

Terrorists are being organized to attack the lives and property of people with the blessings of the politicians and military officials of the big powers.

The brutal Zionists carry out targeted assassinations of Palestinians in their homes and cities, and terrorists are decorated with medals of peace and receive support from the big powers. On the other hand they gather a number of Jews from different parts of the world through false propaganda and with the promise of providing them with welfare, jobs and food, and settle them in the occupied territories, exposing them to the harshest restrictions, psychological pressures and constant threats. They prevent these people from returning to their homelands and by coercion and propaganda induce them to malevolence toward the indigenous Palestinian people.

Iraq was occupied under the pretext of overthrowing a dictator and the existence of weapons of mass destruction. The Iraqi dictator who had been supported by the same occupiers was disposed of, and no weapons of mass destruction were discovered, but the occupation continues under different excuses.

No day passes without people being killed, wounded or displaced, and the occupiers not only refuse to be accountable and ashamed of their adventure, but speak in a report of a new market for their armaments as the result of their military venture. They even oppose the constitution, National Assembly and the government established by the vote of the people, while they do not even have the courage to declare their defeat and exit Iraq.

Unfortunately we are witnessing the bitter truth that some powers do not value any nation or human beings, and the only things that matter to them are themselves, their political parties and groups. In their view, human rights are tantamount to profits for their companies and their friends. The rights and the dignity of American people are also being sacrificed for the selfish desires of those holding power.

3- Aggressions against indigenous cultures and national values.

Culture is the manifestation of identity and the key to the survival of nations and the foundation for their interaction with others. In an organized movement, indigenous cultures that are messengers of monotheism, love and fraternity are being subjected to broad and destructive aggressions.

National customs and values are humiliated and the self-esteem and character of nations are ridiculed and defamed . The purpose is to promote blind emulations, consumerism, skepticism toward God and human values, and the plundering of the peoples' wealth by big powers.

4. Poverty, illiteracy, healthcare issues and the gap between the poor and the rich

While a major part of the natural environment in Asia, Africa and Latin America is being plundered by the political and economic domination of certain powers, the situation of poverty and deprivation is very alarming. Let me draw your attention to some data issued by the United Nations:

- Every day close to 800 million people go to bed hungry and about 980 million suffer from absolute poverty, with less than one dollar a day in purchasing power.

- People of 31 countries, equivalent to 9 percent of the world's population, have an average life expectancy of 46 years, which is 32 years less than the average of developed countries.

- The gap between the rich and the poor in some parts of the world has increased by forty times.

- In many countries, the majority of the people are deprived of access to education and schooling.

- In developing countries, the maternal mortality rate during pregnancy is 450 per 100,000. This ratio is 7 in the richer nations and the ratio of mortality of new births is 59 for developing countries and 6 for the richer nations.

- One-third of deaths in the world, or 50,000 persons daily, result from poverty.

I believe this data clearly demonstrates the tragic situation dominating economic interactions in the world.

5. Ignoring noble values and the promotion of deception and lies.

Some powers sacrifice all human values including honesty, purity and trust for the advancement of their goals. They propagate skepticism and deception in the relations between states and peoples.

They lie openly, level baseless charges against others, act contrary to legal norms and damage the climate of trust and friendship.

They openly abandon morality and noble values in their relations with others, and substitute selfishness, supremacy, enmity and imposition, for justice, respect for others, love, affection and honesty. They sacrifice all the good things and the sublime in life for their own greed.

6. Violations of rules of international law and disrespect of commitments

Some who were themselves the drafters of international law openly and easily violate it and apply discriminatory policies and double standards to others. They drafted disarmament regulations, but every day test and stockpile new generations of lethal weapons.

They framed the Charter of the United Nations, but show disrespect to the right of self-determination and independence of sovereign nations. They conveniently abrogate their formal treaties, and do not yield to laws concerning protection of the environment. Most of the violations of international obligations are committed by a few global powers.

7- Escalation of threats and the Arms Race

Some powers, whenever their logic fails, simply use the language of threat. The huge arms race casts a shadow of threat over the globe.

The nations of Europe were the victims of two world wars and a number of other devastating conflicts and were subjected to the consequences of the Cold War for many decades.

Today Europeans are living under the shadow of threat, and their interests, security and lands are endangered under shadow of the arms race imposed by certain big powers.

A bullying power allows itself the right to set up a missile system, makes the life of the peoples of a continent bitter, and lays the ground for arms race.

Some rulers who superficially appear to be powerful believe the tools they have at hand can be used at any time and for any purpose and consequently threaten others and cast the shadow of insecurity over nations and regions.

8. Inefficacy of international mechanisms in addressing these challenges and in restoring durable peace and security.

International organizations and mechanisms clearly lack the capacity to overcome problems and challenges, to put in place fair and just relations and peace, fraternity and security.

There is hardly any government or nation that places much hope in these mechanisms to secure its rights or defend its independence, territorial integrity and national interests.

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

There are many more challenges than the ones I have enumerated and I know that one would have introduced more if one had wanted to touch upon them, but I chose to confine myself to the ones I have stated.

Now the important and decisive question concerns the roots and causes of these challenges. A scientific and careful analysis shows that the root of the present situation lies in two fundamental factors.

Without doubt, the first factor lies in the relations arising from the consequences of the Second World War. The victors of the war drew the roadmap for global domination and formulated their policies not on the basis of justice but for ensuring the interests of the victors over the vanquished nations. Therefore mechanisms arising from this approach and related policies have not been capable of finding just solutions for global problems since 60 years ago.

Some big powers still behave like the victors of the World War and regard other states and nations, even those that had nothing to do with the war, as the vanquished, and humiliate other nations and demand extortion from a condescending position similar to that of the master/servant relationship of the medieval ages.

They believe that they should have more rights than others and also are not accountable to any international organization.

Mr. President,

Among all the inefficient bodies, unfortunately, the UN Security Council ranks first. They have created circumstances in which some powers with exclusive and the special right to veto in the Security Council act as prosecutor, judge and executioner, regardless of being a defendant or respondent.

It is natural that countries that have been subjected to those powers' infringements of their rights have no hope in getting what they deserve from the Council.

Unfortunately, humanity has witnessed that in all long wars, like the Korean and Vietnam wars, the war of the Zionists against the Palestinians and against Lebanon, the war of Saddam against the people of Iran and the ethnic wars of Europe and Africa, one of the members the Security Council was one of the belligerents or supported one party against the other, usually the aggressor, or the conflict itself.

Let's look at Iraq. They first occupied the country and then received authorization from the Security Council, the same Council in which the same occupiers have the right of veto. Who should the people of Iraq complain about and to where should they take their complaints with hopes of securing their rights?

We saw in Lebanon that some powers, for a long thirty three days, prevented the Security Council from taking any action against the Zionist regime with the hope of giving time to the regime to achieve victory. However, when they became disappointed in seeing their hopes unfulfilled, they decided to cease the hostility by adopting a resolution.

But the duty of the Security Council is to prevent the expansion of conflicts, to put in place ceasefires and to promote peace and safety. To whom and to what organization should the people of Lebanon complain?

Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

The presence of some monopolistic powers has prevented the Security Council from performing its main duty which is the maintenance of international peace and security based on justice. The credibility of the Council has been tarnished and its efficacy in defending the rights of UN member states has been undermined. Many nations have lost their confidence in the Council.

Some other mechanisms, such as the monetary and banking mechanisms, are in the same undesirable situation and have been turned into tools for the imposition of the wishes of some powers on other nations. It is evident that these mechanisms are not capable of responding to current needs and solving challenges and establishing fair and sustainable relations.

Dear Colleagues,

Again, there is no doubt that the second and more important factor is some big powers' disregard of morals, divine values, the teachings of prophets and instructions by the Almighty God, as well as the rule of the incompetent. How can the incompetent who cannot even manage and control themselves, rule humanity and arrange its affairs? Unfortunately they have put themselves in the position of God! They are in servitude to their own whims, and they desire to have everything for themselves. For them, human dignity and the lives, properties, and territories of others are no longer respected.

Humanity has had a deep wound on its tired body caused by impious powers for centuries. Today, the problems that people around the world face are mainly rooted in the disregard of human values and ethics and also in the rule of the selfish and incompetent.

Friends, Ladies and Gentlemen,

The only sustainable way to the betterment of mankind is the return to the teachings of the divine prophets, monotheism, respect for the dignity of humans and the flow of love and affection in all relationships, ties and regulations, and to reform the present structures on this basis.

To fulfill this objective, I invite everybody to form a front of fraternity, amity and sustainable peace based on monotheism and justice under the name of "Coalition for Peace", to prevent incursions and arrogance and to promote the culture of affection and justice.

I hereby announce that with the help of all independent, justice-seeking and peace-loving nations, the Islamic Republic of Iran will be heading down this path.

Monotheism, justice and compassion for humans should dominate all the pillars of the UN and this organization should be a forum for justice, and every member should enjoy equal spiritual and legal support.

The General Assembly, as the representative of the international community, shall be considered as the most important pillar of the UN in order to, free from any pressure and threats by big powers, take required measures for the reforming of the UN structures, and especially change the present status of the Security Council and define new structures based on justice and democracy with the purpose of becoming responsive to the present requirements and to be able to settle existing challenges leading to the establishment of an enduring stability and security.

Mr. President, Excellencies,

The nuclear issue of Iran is a clear example of how such mechanisms perform and the prevailing thoughts behind them. You are all aware that Iran is a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency and has always observed its rules and regulations and has had the most extensive cooperation with this Agency in all areas. All our nuclear activities have been completely peaceful and transparent.

According to the Statute of the IAEA, any member has a number of rights and obligations. In fact, all members have to stay on a peaceful path and, under the supervision of the Agency assist other members, and they are entitled to be supported by the Agency and have access to the fuel cycle with the help of the Agency and its members.

Thus far, Iran has fulfilled all of its obligations but has been deprived of other members' technical assistance and, even at times, of the Agency's support. For about 5 years, some of the aforementioned powers have, by exerting heavy pressure on the IAEA, attempted to prevent the Iranian nation from exercising its rights.

They have derailed Iran's nuclear issue from its legal tracks, and have politicized the atmosphere to impose their wishes through taking advantage of all their potentials.

The government of Iran spared no effort to build confidence, but they were not satisfied with anything short of the complete halt of all activities, even those related to research and university fields.

They were only after depriving the Iranian people of all their inalienable rights, even to the extent that those centers not involved in the fuel cycle or not in need of supervision by the Agency were closed.

After three years of negotiations and attempts to build confidence, the Iranian nation came to the firm belief that the main concern of these powers is not the possible deviation of Iran's nuclear activities, but is to prevent its scientific progress under this pretext.

And, if this trend continues there will be no possibility for Iran to enjoy its rights, not even in the next 20 years. Therefore, Iran decided to pursue the issue through its appropriate legal path, one that runs through the IAEA, and to disregard unlawful and political impositions by the arrogant powers.

In the last two years, abusing the Security Council, the arrogant powers have repeatedly accused Iran and even made military threats and imposed illegal sanctions against it. However, by the grace of faith in God and national unity, Iran has moved forward step by step and now our country is recognized as one with the capacity for industrial scale fuel cycle production for peaceful uses.

Unfortunately, the Security Council, in dealing with this obvious legal issue, was influenced by some bullying powers and failed to uphold justice and protect the rights of the Iranian people.

Fortunately, the IAEA has recently tried to regain its legal role as supporter of the rights of its members while supervising nuclear activities. We see this as a correct approach adopted by the Agency.

Previously, they illegally insisted on politicizing the Iranian nation's nuclear case, but today, because of the resistance of the Iranian nation, the issue is back to the Agency, and I officially announce that in our opinion the nuclear issue of Iran is now closed and has turned into an ordinary Agency matter.

Today many important questions have been raised about the nuclear activities of certain powers within the IAEA which should be dealt with properly. Of course Iran has always been and will be prepared to have constructive talks with all parties.

I would like to thank all the nations and countries that, during this difficult juncture, defended the legal rights of my nation and motherland and I also want to appreciate the members of the Non- Aligned Movement, our friends in the Security Council and in the IAEA's Board of Governors, the committed and law-abiding experts of the Agency and its Director-General for their standing by the law.

I would also like to announce that unlike the monopolistic powers, the Iranian nation is ready to offer to other members its experiences in the form of educational programs and based on its obligations under the Agency's Statute and under its supervision.

Now I would like to address those who have shown hostility towards the Iranian nation for about five years; offended and accused my people who have contributed to the history and civilization of the world, and I advise them to learn from history and their recent actions.

They badly mistreated the Iranian nation but they should be careful not to inflict the same on other members of international organizations, and not to sacrifice the dignity of international organizations for the sake of their unlawful wishes. Today the nations of the world are wide awake and resistant. If you reform yourselves, the whole world will be reformed.

Nations are inherently good and can co-exist peacefully.

They should endeavor to serve their own people; others that do not need them. Is it not high time for these powers to return from the path of arrogance and obedience to Satan to the path of faith in God?

Would they not like to be cleansed of their impurities, submit to the will of God and believe in Him?

Faith in God means believing in honesty, purity, justice and compassion for others!

They can be certain that they will benefit from purity, honesty, justice, and loving and respecting the human dignity. They can also be certain that such values are more and more considered appropriate, valuable and beautiful by the nations of the world.

This is the invitation of all the divine prophets from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Chris, and Mohammed (PBUH).

If they accept this invitation, they will be saved and if they don't, the same calamities that befell the people of the distant past will befall them as well. According to the holy Quran:

"One who does not answer the divine call should not think that he has weakened God on earth; he has no companion but God and he is clearly engulfed by darkness".

They have nothing of their own and cannot escape from the dominion of the rule of God and His will.

In this important gathering, I have to remind them of the following words of the Almighty which have been mentioned in the Holy Quran:

"Do they not look at the powers and governments which came before them? If the people of the past had actually possessed something, they would have kept it and would not have let you possess it now.

God destroyed them because of their sins and nobody could protect them against the will of God".

They have to know that thoughts and methods based on oppression and injustice are doomed to failure. Do they not see the signs of vigilance and resistance based on monotheism, philanthropy and the justice-seeking spirit of the nations of the world? Do they not notice that we are nearing the sunset of the time of empires? I hope that this invitation will have a practical answer.

Excellencies,

Peoples and governments are not obliged to obey the injustice of certain powers. These powers, because of the reasons already mentioned, have lost the competence to lead the world.

I officially declare that the age of relations arising from the Second World War as well as materialistic thoughts based on arrogance and domination is well over now. Humanity has passed a perilous precipice and the age of monotheism, purity, affinity, respecting others, justice and true peace-loving has commenced.

It is the divine promise that the truth will be victorious and the earth will be inherited by the righteous. You, who are free, believers, and the people of the world, put your trust in God.

You, who crave high values, wherever you are, try to prepare the grounds for the fulfillment of this great divine promise by serving the people and seeking justice.

The era of darkness will end, prisoners will return home, the occupied lands will be freed, Palestine and Iraq will be liberated from the domination of the occupiers, and the people of America and Europe will be free of the pressures exerted by the Zionists.

The tender-hearted and humanity-loving governments will replace the aggressive and domineering ones. Human dignity will be regained.

The pleasing aroma of justice will permeate the world, and people will live together in a brotherly and affectionate manner.

Striving in this way to surrender rule to the righteous and Perfect Human, the Promised One, is indeed the final cure for the wounds of humanity, the solution of all problems, and the establishment of love, beauty, justice and a dignified life all over the world.

This belief and endeavor is the key to unity and the constructive interaction among nations, countries, the people of the world and all the true justice-seekers.

Without any doubt, the Promised One who is the ultimate Savior, together with Jesus Christ and other holy Saviors, will come. In the company of all believers, justice-seekers and benefactors, he will establish a bright future and fill the world with justice and beauty.

This is the promise of God; therefore it will be fulfilled.

Let's play a part in the fulfillment of all this glory and beauty.

I wish for a bright future for all human beings and the dawn of the liberation of and freedom for all humans, and the rule of love and affection all around the world, as well as the elimination of oppression, hatred and violence. A wish which I expect will be realized in the near future.

Thank you

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2007/iran-070926-irna01.htm

odonnell

again, i just dont/cant know what to take from that....

aidan24326

donaghs wrote:

I'd expect the present Iranian leadership to fling these weapons the first chance they get.

Yeah sure, and guarantee the complete destruction of their own country in the process? The idea of having nuclear weapons now is as a deterrent. Whether they really are trying to develop nukes we don't know, one thing's for sure only a fool would believe anything the US/UK have to say about it after the Iraq WMD fiasco.

But did you actually think before you wrote that? Start 'flinging these weapons' where? At the US? At Isreal?(same as US) Hardly. Whatever Ahmadinejad may or not be, I doubt very much he wants to see his own country disappear in a gigantic mushroom cloud, something that would be 100% guaranteed were Iran to ever launch a nuclear attack at Israel or the US/UK.

The idea of having nuclear bombs now is self-protection. The US would be in much less hurry to fcuk around with Iran if Ahmadinejad was waving big fat megaton nukes at them.

sovtek

Manic Moran wrote:

Doesn't it make more sense to say you don't have them, until you do? then you're presenting a fait accomplit.

NTM

Does it also make sense that if someone is threatening to use nukes on you that you will tear your ass trying to get them?

odonnell

have to remember one simple thing here though lads before getting into the do they or dont they debate - if Iran DID have them....the UK and the US...pretty much the entirety of Europe, would have no reason whatsoever to be fearful of Iran sending ANYTHING their way - as to build a nuke is one thing....to deliver it is a whooooole other ball game.

Its a ball game the west is very good at, and Iran dont have the capability to play yet. So - no.... they wouldnt start flinging them around at us at any rate. The only reason we would be afraid of them acquiring them would be in the security of the technology, the materials, and the security of the region in which they may star behaving badly. Didnt Ahmadinejad recently say when we leave Iraq he would fill the vacuum that would be left? Or something of that effect?

They cant strike us, but they can bugger us up by proxy - THATS the fear in the west.

wes

odonnell wrote:

Its a ball game the west is very good at, and Iran dont have the capability to play yet. So - no.... they wouldnt start flinging them around at us at any rate. The only reason we would be afraid of them acquiring them would be in the security of the technology, the materials, and the security of the region in which they may star behaving badly. Didnt Ahmadinejad recently say when we leave Iraq he would fill the vacuum that would be left? Or something of that effect?

Of course Iran is gonna be pally with Iraq. There both majority Shia nations, a lot of Shia holy sites are located in Iraq. Right now the Iraq government is pro-Iran and they actually have very good relations. Iran wants a stable Iraq, the current situation with the Shia led government is exactly what they want.

odonnell

you dont reckon iran would march into iraq after the UK/US pull out?

wes

odonnell wrote:

you dont reckon iran would march into iraq after the UK/US pull out?

They wouldn't need too. The government there is an instant ally, no need to station troops there. The fear of Iran isn't just something Western nations have, its also Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations not liking the idea of a Shia crescent being created in the Middle East, I have no doubts Saudi Arabia is egging the Americans on to take care of Iran as well.

Iraq and Iran are natural allies, there are already friendly relations. Iran will have influence over the Iraq government the moment the US/UK leave, hell they have some influence now, but it won't be a annexation or anything as a stable Iraq is very good for Iran.

odonnell

best thing we can do is divert all the weapons tech cash to alternative fuels and pull all our eggs out of the middle east asap. the whole thing was a mistake from the start.... theyve no interest in us, and we wouldnt even BE interfering if there wasnt any oil.

moe_sizlak

there are more often than not underlying reasons for wars , right now there is a pipeline being built through pakistan and on to india
india is becoming an economic power house and this pipeline would not only help to secure indias energy needs , it would boost irans economic situation
in order for an empire to remain top dog , it needs to make sure that other nations do not become to rich , that iran is not a friendly nation to the usa is even more reason why they would not want this project to go ahead
on top of that iran has been talking about trading there oil in euros as opposed to dollars , not a lot of people know this but prior to the iraq invasion in 2003 , sadamm was also talking about trading in euros
this would of course have consequences for the american dollar and we all know how weak it is at the moment
the usa is becoming less relevant nowadays economically , what with both china and india roaring ahead
all empires did what they had to do to remain top dog
while through fox news and the like , the american people will be fed storys of nukes raining down on manhattan or worse jerusalum and how the iranian people long to be freed , the truth is likely to be somewhat more financially based

oh btw , ewt gingrich , a hawk if ever there was one , was on hannity and colmes on fox news last week discussing what an iranian strike might look like , he mentiond the afforementioned pipeline