Vindicated!

leninbenjamin

meh.... i'm bored, stumbled into this thread by accident.... have to say to some extent i agree with Lostexpectation. After Hours really is one gigantic catch all at times. it's frustrating as well, because it takes some for the traffic away from the smaller forums, kinda like politics perhaps, but mainly the problems are that there is too much happening, threads tend to disappear of the register very quickly there... also when and if some people do tend to start up new threads on other forums, there is a tendency for some posters to come along and say, hey look its already started here... and then that thread dies... a terrible lonely death... abandoned by the very people it loved... so alone... *sniffle*

anyway, that's my €0.02.

Terry

I'll also have to ask you for links.

But if you look now, you'll see I moved a thread.
Honestly. I did.

Boston

I'd rather kill you all then read your posts.

Terry

You really want to try it?
I'll ****ing see you at the next boards event and I'll kick seven shades of **** out of you, mother****er.

Bring it onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

leninbenjamin

Terry wrote:

I'll also have to ask you for links.

But if you look now, you'll see I moved a thread.
Honestly. I did.

well in my view of what should be moved:
copyright music battles... more music perhaps?
appealing Dart fine... transport/law
20% foreigners in Ireland more politics in my view.

and what should stay...

Boards.ie representing Ireland,
Tombstone thread,
things that only happen in the movies,
To run over the dog or not

naff light hearted stuff like that. just dont think after hours is the place for serious discussions when there are already more suitable places for it plus i just think it would help to even the flow of traffic between forums.

it kinda sucks to ask a relevant question in the correct forum and be waiting days for responses, then see someone ask fairly specific quesions when there already is a forum there jus because they know they'lll get more hits with AH, like Company Medicals

anywho it's late... i might not agree with myself in the morning late, but yeah, linkies...

and i saw the moves, sexy stuff Terry. now all you need to do is quit smoking like me

Edit: the way this thread has gone though... how did we end up talking about this lark?

Terry

leninbenjamin wrote:

well in my view of what should be moved:
copyright music battles... more music perhaps?

News story about woman being fined a ridiculous amount of money for file sharing. Perfect whining material.

appealing Dart fine... transport/law

Guy either too impatient to queue or thought he was too important to stand in line. Either way, he didn't deserve any decent answers.

20% foreigners in Ireland more politics in my view.

Scaremongering and hysterics. More AH material.

and what should stay...

Boards.ie representing Ireland,
Tombstone thread,
things that only happen in the movies,
To run over the dog or not

naff light hearted stuff like that. just dont think after hours is the place for serious discussions when there are already more suitable places for it plus i just think it would help to even the flow of traffic between forums.

Fair point, but AH has been the busiest forum for many years now. People will continue to start threads there.
We keep tabs on people who deliberately post there for a larger audience and they are dealt with accordingly.
Most people tend not to see the behind the scenes moderation, because it's, well, behind the scenes.
You'll have to take my word for it that we have a list of people who have posted in AH deliberately to gain a larger audience.

it kinda sucks to ask a relevant question in the correct forum and be waiting days for responses, then see someone ask fairly specific quesions when there already is a forum there jus because they know they'lll get more hits with AH, like Company Medicals

That should have been moved, but by the time any mods saw it, it had already been dealt with and it was pointless at that stage.
This is where the report post function comes in handy.
Also, the mods are not there 24/7. The other mods have a life outside of boards.ie and are not sitting at a pc all the time. (I tend to be asleep when not at the pc.)

and i saw the moves, sexy stuff Terry. now all you need to do is quit smoking like me

Tomorrow.

Edit: the way this thread has gone though... how did we end up talking about this lark?

lostexpectation bumped it to have a rant about us not moving threads.

K-9

leninbenjamin wrote:

After Hours really is one gigantic catch all at times.

You have to ignore some threads and post on the ones you're interested in.

Also it's AH, there're going to be posts that are meant in a take the p**s way.If the issue is important, ignore them. If it's moved to politics etc. there will be less posters with different views.

Comes back to a quality v. quantity idea!

WhiteWashMan

lostexpectation wrote:

there has been numerous talk of crackdown on everything going straight into AH rather then their proper forums, mods shouting AH is not dumping ground, whether it be silly jokes or directions in dublin why not for race and scum bashing threads we have another perfect example here

every now and then, we get bored of people just dumping stuff in AH. and we move a bunch of threads to where they should go.

and then we get a bunch of complaints that we move to many threads and that we are power mongers.

and then we get a bunch of complaints that other fora are losing out due to people posting in AH, when its a thread that would be better off in music, or politics or whatever.

perhaps you see a common theme here?
its that whatever we do, people complain

so we go in swings and round-a-bouts. but, you know, if people keep posting in AH instead of somewhere else, then i think its up to the mods of those fora to advertise more. its not up to the mods in the AH forum to start lecturing people on what forums they should use. Hey, i know some mods who would prefer that general posts are left in AH becuase they feel it dilutes the forum they are running. who knows?

lostexpectation wrote:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055162295
Russian national gets 10 years for rape

WTF is that doing in After hours? .

why would we move it? im all for people being empowered to post in whatever forum they like, and ive even tried to enforce it in times past. but people dont like it. people dont like that sort of behaviour. and i am nothing if not adaptable and flexible, and took the suggestions of the people on board, and so we only really move stuff if its reported, or its a specialist thing.

lostexpectation wrote:

when was AH ever for light political discussion? when a big world or national event occurs people do use the AH threads to update and discuss but its not a forum for specific political issues to raised again and again and again. I don't think I seen a good reason for threads not to be moved, just being mods being defensive.

when was AH not for discussing anything you like?
whether the mods are defensive or not, i have yet to see proper justification on why things should be moved.
yes i know the arguments for smaller forums getting traffic. i know them well, becuase i was one of the first people on these boards that thought about it a long time ago. but apart form that, it seems that people just like threads being moved becuase their sense of 'order' and catagorisation is offended.

lostexpectation wrote:

i don't want to dictate standards for the mods,

youre not. youre just giving your opinion and making a point that has been made dozens of times before. and we have all gone through this discussion a hundred times, both with the users, and in private.

lostexpectation wrote:

,thats what mods are there for,.

actually, thats not strictly true. the AH forum is pretty much run by the users. thats a conscious decision I made with vexorg about 12 months ago. we dont put up posts in there, hell i hardly even post in there at all any more. but i do moderate it. and the people decide what goes on or not, whether they realise it or not.
we have decided that while there is moderation needed, and the usual things like abuse, outright racism etc are not tolerated, the topics of discussion etc are not up to us.
and if people have a problem with the topics, with the tone, with the attitudes, then i think you need to take a look at the irish population in general. these are the views and attitudes of todays irish people. not the mods, not this website. after all, its the people that come here and discuss. not the mods

lostexpectation wrote:

terry gave an example himself above of the boards applying standards, don't claim the boards don't have any, .

never mind the site, each forum has standards depending on the moderators, depending on the community that frequent those fora and then the over all site standards.
each forum is different. IM not sure what your point here is about boards not having standards.

lostexpectation wrote:

but in AH the _trend_ is that they currently don't seem to be above SF-lite... and it not just me that thinks that.

so what? like i said, i dont post there. if the current trend is sf-lite, then its the people that post. this isnt a political vehicle, and as such opinions are expressed by individuals. not by moderators.
and im sure as hell not going to tell people how to think. i argue a lot with people over why they hold particular views. im well known for it. but again, im not sure what your point is here. youre merely expressing a view, but not really making a point.

leninbenjimen wrote:

it kinda sucks to ask a relevant question in the correct forum and be waiting days for responses, then see someone ask fairly specific quesions when there already is a forum there jus because they know they'lll get more hits with AH, like Company Medicals

i agree. i agree completely. but as i said earlier, if people want stuff moved, then report it. it would make life a whole lot easier.

leninbengamin wrote:

but mainly the problems are that there is too much happening,

which is why all the other forums have appeared. we physically cannot stop people from posting in the forum except by banning. and you know, we even tried that for a while at my suggestion.
its was wrong. its not going to happen again. so any suggestions on how to fix it would be appreciated.

leninbengamin wrote:

threads tend to disappear of the register very quickly there...

the problem with being popular

you can tag a thread if its of interest to you so you can follow......

leninbengamin wrote:

also when and if some people do tend to start up new threads on other forums, there is a tendency for some posters to come along and say, hey look its already started here...

we cant control what people put on other forums either

leninbengamin wrote:

and then that thread dies... a terrible lonely death... abandoned by the very people it loved... so alone... *sniffle*

it happens on every forum, regardless of how many people post.



and back to:

lostexpectation wrote:

I don't think I seen a good reason for threads not to be moved, just being mods being defensive.

right now, all we have are the opinions and observations of some people. thats fine. i have no problem with that.
i do have an issue with people blaming mods for something that really is not really in thier control.
we can all see issues on these boards. there are loads of them. and while having these shown to us is good, it does lose its shine when the same things appear time and again. especially when there appears to be no usable solution.

id be happy to make you the AH mod of moving stuff if you really want. its not exciting, its time consuming, but most of all, it never ever ever ever ends.

but dont think i am dismissing anything you have said. or anyone else. i take things on board and implement changes where i feel they are necessary. i hear everything you are saying, and i agree with a bit of it. but there isnt a workable solution that we have right now. and besides, i have no idea why every new user gravitates towards AH. its not marked out in any way, but it seems to be where every one just goes to talk ****e. and thats ok.
its what its there for.
there is no IQ reuirement to post there. I suspect thats why its popular. its like a holywood blockbuster. leave your brain at teh door and just float on a sea of rubbish for a few hours. and then leave and thank god that you dont actually post there...

randylonghorn

WWM wrote:

i have no idea why every new user gravitates towards AH. its not marked out in any way

I suspect its just the effect of volume, WWM.

I just tried 5 fairly general searches on Google with "pages from Ireland" ticked, and a Boards.ie link came up on 3 of them, with 2 of them to AH. And lots of people first find the site through Google, etc.

Add to which when people do find it, AH is one of the most frequently re-occuring fora which appears on the home page, so most people will pop in for a look at some stage, and either run screaming, or get hooked on the "pub conversation" mix of topics, and stay around.

WhiteWashMan

and, while i think about it.

a lot of people prefer to post on AH as opposed to politics because not every one enjoys the nit picking pedantsism that goes on in politics.

its not a forum for opinions and ranting. its a forum that requires users to actually have a decent enough knowledge of what is going on with a topic.

in AH, people can give their 2c worth and have an argument.

i think theres a huge difference between the two.

WhiteWashMan

randylonghorn wrote:

I suspect its just the effect of volume, WWM.

I just tried 5 fairly general searches on Google with "pages from Ireland" ticked, and a Boards.ie link came up on 3 of them, with 2 of them to AH. And lots of people first find the site through Google, etc..

ok, i was sort of being facetious when i said that

what i meant was that there really is no marker on boards.ie that says 'for general ****e talk and rubbish conversation, make your way over there' with a large neon sign pointing in to AH.

although, if there is, ive certainly missed it

my point was that no matter how you get to boards.ie, it seems that there are masses of regulars and newbies that post there.

one could call it popularity?

and if thats the case, then surely we have got something going on there thats good for lots and lots of people.

its the continuous posting that makes me beleive that we have something that no longer really needs to be messed about with. we all have the same issues every now and then. the vast majority of users are satisfied with how AH is run.

if you want, i will put up a poll and ask them again, and ask for suggestions on what to improve.....?

randylonghorn

WWM wrote:

ok, i was sort of being facetious when i said that

Sorry, I kinda missed that.

You need a sign, dude!

(or it could just be that I'm about 20% awake right now! >_> )

RoundyMooney

Adverts.ie is a bigger n00b magnet than AH, which can be a mixed blessing at times...

I'm not comparing like with like I know.

Boston

Terry wrote:

You really want to try it?
I'll ****ing see you at the next boards event and I'll kick seven shades of **** out of you, mother****er.

Bring it onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

LoL, C U @ LAN

leninbenjamin

WhiteWashMan wrote:

the AH forum is pretty much run by the users. thats a conscious decision I made with vexorg about 12 months ago.

ah right so, that makes sense then. I can see you guys have thought through these issues a lot more than me so i'll defer to you almighty holinesses on these issues....

Terry

WhiteWashMan wrote:

if you want, i will put up a poll and ask them again, and ask for suggestions on what to improve.....?

Do it. We should make it a yearly thing.

Boston wrote:

LoL, C U @ LAN

Oh, it's on.

Boston

Do you hear that? Thats the sound of me bringing the smack down.

WhiteWashMan

Boston wrote:

Do you hear that? Thats the sound of me bringing the smack down.

careful joe.

terry may put you in the hurt locker and introduce you to his friend....



... PAIN!

faceman

im taking bets on terry to lay on the fatality! (sorry boston!)

Boston

*Heads to wrestling forum to learn more trashtalk.

Terry

I'll see you at the next boards beers.
I'll be the guy with the swords and ****.

you don't want to mess with this limo ridin', high flyin', smack talkin', dog walkin' son of a gun. If you smell what I'm cookin'.

That reminds me. I've a couple of days wrasslin' to catch up on.

What is it with wrestlers and the letter "G"?
Sesame street has a lot to answer for.

lostexpectation

Im not entirely blaming the mods, it just the mods are mods and you're replying and mods say things like this...

20% foreigners in Ireland more politics in my view.

Scaremongering and hysterics. More AH material.

gah!!! this is what I mean, I said I thought you seem to enjoy it??? that's disturbing.

I thought about pressing the bad post button but i dunno was it a bad post?, I didn't think the post was racist or anything by itself, its a fair point by recognisably reasonable user. if you press bad post to suggest a move to politics then maybe I should have done that, but since we were discussing it in here.

but if that user was posting these type of stories all the time then my opinion of his motives would change, and thus we're back to trends because a 'deport foreign criminal' threads has been posted on AH about every two weeks recently and this is what concerns people, it seems that more and more people are being turned off by the stench of after hours and thus it just gets worse and worse I suggest the mods have more power then most to change such a vicious circle (not to be too over dramatic) but apparently according to the mods its okay to mindlessly rant about these subject on AH on boards.ie??? its not all the mods fault but it is the mods problem when they seem to be encouraging these nasty trends.

is there not suggest a move button. do people use bad post button to suggest a move

i dunno maybe politics needs to lighten up a bit too

so to sum up: its if ya think something should be moved help the mods by suggesting a move.

WhiteWashMan

lostexpectation wrote:

Im not entirely blaming the mods, it just the mods are mods and you're replying and mods say things like this...



gah!!! this is what I mean, I said I thought you seem to enjoy it??? that's disturbing.

dude, i dont know if you are doing early morning drugs or something, but i cant make head or tail of what youre saying here.

this is what you mean, you mean this? im at a loss as to what youre talking about...
sorry

lostexpectation wrote:

I thought about pressing the bad post button but i dunno was it a bad post?,

and yet youre on here complaining about bad posts? surely you would only have an opinion on a bad post if you knew what one was?

lostexpectation wrote:

I thought about pressing the bad post button but i dunno was it a bad post?, I didn't think the post was racist or anything by itself, its a fair point by recognisably reasonable user. if you press bad post to suggest a move to politics then maybe I should have done that, but since we were discussing it in here.

if you see something in any forum that you feel should be somewhere else, report it.
its a report post function by the way, not a bad post function

lostexpectation wrote:

but if that user was posting these type of stories all the time then my opinion of his motives would change,

i notice very little of the rabble unless they stick out. i can read up to a couple of hundred posts a day, i dont take in all the info, and i certainly dont take notes on the subtle changes in someones postings

lostexpectation wrote:

and thus we're back to trends because a 'deport foreign criminal' threads has been posted on AH about every two weeks recently and this is what concerns people, it seems that more and more people are being turned off by the stench of after hours and thus it just gets worse and worse

so, youre saying that the same thread over and over is turning people off AH, or that theres a hint of a nasty racisct underbelly in irish society that you feel shouldnt be allowed to post on AH?

lostexpectation wrote:

it seems that more and more people are being turned off by the stench of after hours and thus it just gets worse and worse

little bit dramatic dont you think
but are you sure that people are getting turned off AH, and are you sure its for the racist?

it seems to me that AH is more popular than ever. in fact, as i said, it seems that ever newbie finds their way there, even though its not highlighted in any particular way. if people were getting turned off, it would be by the general offensiveness of how people apparently form opinions in this day and age. but thats gen y for you.

lostexpectation wrote:

I suggest the mods have more power then most to change such a vicious circle (not to be too over dramatic)

how exactly. you want me to call around to everyones house and tell them what to think?

lostexpectation wrote:

but apparently according to the mods its okay to mindlessly rant about these subject on AH on boards.ie???

its a bullitan board. what do you think people do here?

so yes, it is ok for people to rant about what pisses them off. jesus, if we told people to stop, then wed have everyone on our back telling us the place is a dictatorship.

you keep telling us what to do, but im not seeing suggestions of helpfulness.

i think i touched on this in a previous post.

lostexpectation wrote:

its not all the mods fault but it is the mods problem when they seem to be encouraging these nasty trends.

now thats just silly. and its inaccurate. im not one for being nitpicky (anymore), but if youre going to continue to throw stuff about (and ive ignored it so far) then i want you to start posting up exact snippets on these accusations.
the mods are not encouraging anything except trying to keep freeflowing going. thats what the mods are there for.

heres a big tip for you as well.

i am not a nanny. i am not a babysitter. i dont work ina creche. i am not anyones moral compass, and its not my place to change peoples opinions. i question those opinions constantly, but i am not here to point anyone in the true path.

none of the other mods are any of these either.

you are suggesting we should be.

you write up a big report on what a standard is, and why youve come to those conclusions, and i will read it.

and then tell me why your standards are better than the ones i already have.

lostexpectation wrote:

is there not suggest a move button. do people use bad post button to suggest a move

there is a move button. its used all the time. you want something moved, report it. dont do nothing and then bitch about it at some later stage.

lostexpectation wrote:

i dunno maybe politics needs to lighten up a bit too.

if you dont like it, then dont post there. you are very busy suggesting everyone else but you changes

personally, i dont like the politics forum. i dont go in there. im sure im not missed. im not worried.

lostexpectation wrote:

so to sum up: its if ya think something should be moved help the mods by suggesting a move.

we appreciate your support......