Rip off home prices in crime ridden areas

Degsy

ntlbell wrote:

ok but try and follow the thread....

Read the original post,it whinges that he thinks houses shlould be cheaper because he considers the area to be bad.Also,crime as such is not just limited to people in tracksuits smoking hash on the bus and nicking yer car.Have you ever heard of domestic violence,sexual abuse,marital rape,tax avoidance,drink driving,traffic offences and the use of child pornography?These are all offences,some of which may be more common amongst the "moneyed" classes.

ntlbell

Degsy wrote:

Read the original post,it whinges that he thinks houses shlould be cheaper because he considers the area to be bad.Also,crime as such is not just limited to people in tracksuits smoking hash on the bus and nicking yer car.Have you ever heard of domestic violence,sexual abuse,marital rape,tax avoidance,drink driving,traffic offences and the use of child pornography?These are all offences,some of which may be more common amongst the "moneyed" classes.

eh? all i was saying was i never called finglas a kip i was defending it?

Terry

dublindude wrote:

I hope I haven't pissed anyone off in this thread, that isn't my intention, and I apologise if I've offended anyone, but would you at least agee with this statement?

People from poorer areas, with less education and less money are more likely to commit crimes than people from wealthier areas, with more education and more money?

If the above statement is fair, then it is reasonable to say an area like Finglas is probably going to have a bit more crime than an area like Terenure.

I totally accept houses get burgled etc. in Terenure, but from a "feeling safe on the street" aspect, is my statement acceptable?

Apologising now, I see.

You're lucky you did. Us council estate scummers might have come after you otherwise.

I'm gonna send my scumbag kids to Blackrock college.

An Citeog

Degsy wrote:

Read the original post,it whinges that he thinks houses shlould be cheaper because he considers the area to be bad.Also,crime as such is not just limited to people in tracksuits smoking hash on the bus and nicking yer car.Have you ever heard of domestic violence,sexual abuse,marital rape,tax avoidance,drink driving,traffic offences and the use of child pornography?These are all offences,some of which may be more common amongst the "moneyed" classes.

Tax avoidance isn't actually a crime, tax evasion is though!

This thread is just going round in circles. House prices are affected by the reputation of the area they're in, whether it be justified or not. Finglas (mainly Finglas west) does not have a particularly good reputation.

Degsy

An Citeog wrote:

Finglas (mainly Finglas west) does not have a particularly good reputation.

Shows what you know,a gaff in the west will cost ya a lot more than a house in the south.

Anyhoo,i dont know why everybody is banging on about finglas,there are places with FAR worse reputations where there's no development work at all.

An Citeog

Degsy wrote:

Shows what you know,a gaff in the west will cost ya a lot more than a house in the south.

Anyhoo,i dont know why everybody is banging on about finglas,there are places with FAR worse reputations where there's no development work at all.

You sure about that? Even a quick scan through the property listings on daft.ie would tell me I'm right.

And yeah, I was just jumping on the Finglas bandwagon. There are far worse places in Dublin or at least, places with worse reputations.

Toots

Funny that, I live in Foxrock and not one person I know has ever taken coke, laundered money, or committed any other of the so called 'blue collar' crimes. My BF is from a nearby council estate, and while not everyone there is a scumbag, he will be the first to tell you that the place is a sh*thole, although it has calmed down in recent years, it's by no means an attractive place to live. There majority of people who live there are honest decent people, but there are also a lot of scumbags who are only interested in making other people's lives miserable.

To sum up: just because an area is 'working class' does not mean that everyone there is a joyriding, crack smoking scumbag..however it can't be denied that there are often higher crime rates in disadvantaged areas. That said, just because someone lives in a wealthy area in a big house and drives a new BMW doesn't mean that they are a coke barron/money launder etc... perhaps they just studied hard and got a job that pays well?

Toots85

Toots85 wrote:

To sum up: just because an area is 'working class' does not mean that everyone there is a joyriding, crack smoking scumbag..however it can't be denied that there are often higher crime rates in disadvantaged areas. That said, just because someone lives in a wealthy area in a big house and drives a new BMW doesn't mean that they are a coke barron/money launder etc... perhaps they just studied hard and got a job that pays well?

Post of the thread. I promised myself that I wasn't gonna post in this thread anymore but the above has hit the nail on the head so accurately that I'm compelled to agree. I, for one, have never denied that certain areas of the city/provnce/country have higher occurrences of crime than others. My beef was with the OP calling the North Strand "crime ridden" and, as i posted already, making crass generalisations such as "robbed cars are regularly dumped in the area" etc.

Deleted User wrote:

With any luck, .....this thread will die.

I didn't wanna be guilty of what a lot of people from both sides of the argument are guilty of, and judge somebody based solely on their post code/count, but i had a feeling that the O.P. was trolling to a certain extent. Hence my post quoted above. I'm afraid, AH, that you have failed and have been feeding the troll to bursting point.

3 more things, and I promise I will not be posting on this thread again.......

1) LOL @ the poster who said "when i was in college....." and then used the following conjugation of the verb "to be"........"Amn't I lucky." Obviously wasn't a course in English.

2) Dubindude.......I called you a snob because you said "Skangers don't have college degrees".........and tried to qualify it afterwards with "I don't mean working class. I mean lads in tracksuits who are clearly dodgy".

I know plenty of what you would term 'skangers' who do have degrees. I also know plenty of affluent people who do not. I hang around with a bloke who's father got a six-figure golden handshake when he retired from his post as CEO of a multi-national pharmaceutical company, and both his sons got honours degrees and both are junkies. Also, I shouldn't have to point this out to you but anyway, lads who wear tracksuits are not automatically scumbags. In the same way as lads who wear pink t-shirts are not automatically gay. Or lads who wear dubes are not automatically snobs. Or girls who wear big hoopy earrings are not automatically sluts...etc.

You being a snob is only my opinion. Doesn'y make it fact. I am basing my opinion on what you have posted here in this thread. If you wanna take umbrage at that then be my guest, as i already said I will not be posting on this thread again. unless it goes to the 'dome

3) Everybody is going around in circles here. This thread is going nowhere and should be locked or sent to the 'dome.

Slán libh.

Kernel

ntlbell wrote:

where did the general live?

Came from inner city corpo flats.

ntlbell wrote:

hutch?

Came from the Sheriff St. area where many of his family still reside. Your point? Both came from ****eholes.

AARRRGH

Deleted User wrote:

I know plenty of what you would term 'skangers' who do have degrees.

Plenty of skangers have college degrees? LOL. This thread gets more hilarious by the minute.

Yes, I said skangers were the chav types. You know exactly who I am talking about. They DO NOT have degrees.

Terry

dublindude wrote:

You know exactly who I am talking about.

I don't. Would you care to enlighten me?

I'd also like to know why you changed your location from "Guess" to "Finglas".

AARRRGH

Terry wrote:

I don't. Would you care to enlighten me?

You really don't know what a skanger is? I find that hard to believe.

Terry

I want to know your definition.
I also want to know why you changed your location from "Guess" to "Finglas". That just seems like trolling to me.

ntlbell

Kernel wrote:

Came from inner city corpo flats.



Came from the Sheriff St. area where many of his family still reside. Your point? Both came from ****eholes.

Well I didn't ask where they came from.

or where their grandparents came from.

ntlbell

dublindude wrote:

You really don't know what a skanger is? I find that hard to believe.

I would also like to know what YOU think a skanger is as I have asked this numerous times on this forum.

What makes a skanger?

Is it a tracksuit?

Does the tracksuit have to be a shell suit? or can one be a skanger in cotton?

Is it his choice of alcoholic beverage?

Does he need to have a long term drug addiction?

Is it a haircut?

Is it a mind set?

Is it an accent?

is it your address?

the way you wear a cap?

anti-social behaviour?

stealing cars?

Is it playing dodgey rave music on the back seat upstairs on the bus?

Can you give a clear definition of what a skanger/scumbag is so we're all reading of the same sheet.

Degsy

I reckon there's a heap of trolling going on!

ntlbell

Degsy wrote:

I reckon there's a heap of trolling going on!

Not really, dublindude is one of them little girls who likes to sit on the back seat on the top of busses in his sailing shoes and lemon ralph lauren polo shirts. He often has to give up this as a confident 10yr old kid from shankill (south side ftw) walks up the stairs gives him "the look" and he has to hall is lemon polo shirt out of there.

So he goes home and constantly has to question why a 10yr old can be so confident wearing his cheap tracksuit his 0 all over hair cut and his cheap rave songs yet, he is still a scared little girl.

it's one of life's tough questions for the scared d4 men(girls) of ireland y'know!

gurramok

An Citeog wrote:

Tax avoidance isn't actually a crime, tax evasion is though!

This thread is just going round in circles. House prices are affected by the reputation of the area they're in, whether it be justified or not. Finglas (mainly Finglas west) does not have a particularly good reputation.

Funny this part

A 3-bed house in Finglas is going for about 300k. A couple would need to be earning about 35k each to afford this.
So to sum up, if you wanna live in Finglas, you need a partner first and both of ye have be a good earners and in professional jobs to pay a mortgage for next 35 yrs.
If you wanna live in Foxrock, you need to have won the lotto or made your dosh from your drugs empire or your law empire:D

Now translate above to an outsider who knows nothing about Dublin, they come to the conclusion that all areas in the entire city are middle-upper class due to house prices which just shows how crazy the housing bubble is.

hopalong85

ntlbell wrote:

Well I didn't ask where they came from.

or where their grandparents came from.

Yes but i think the point he's making which you have clearly missed, is that certain areas are breeding grounds for criminals such as these. Those areas do not include Foxrock, Terenure, Blackrock etc. Can you accept this fact?

ntlbell

gurramok wrote:

Funny this part

A 3-bed house in Finglas is going for about 300k. A couple would need to be earning about 35k each to afford this.
So to sum up, if you wanna live in Finglas, you need a partner first and both of ye have be a good earners and in professional jobs to pay a mortgage for next 35 yrs.
If you wanna live in Foxrock, you need to have won the lotto or made your dosh from your drugs empire or your law empire:D

Now translate above to an outsider who knows nothing about Dublin, they come to the conclusion that all areas in the entire city are middle-upper class due to house prices which just shows how crazy the housing bubble is.

no hard facts and would probably take a bit of time but I would imagine the average house price in Finglas in 06 was a fair whack more than 300k and I would say in 07 it's still higher than 300k

ntlbell

hopalong85 wrote:

Yes but i think the point he's making which you have clearly missed, is that certain areas are breeding grounds for criminals such as these. Those areas do not include Foxrock, Terenure, Blackrock etc. Can you accept this fact?

no he missed the point, now your trying to make a point out of something he said when he clearly missed the point.

they are living among the castleknock's the renalagh's the blackrock's etc.

the fact that slightly more creative criminals are bread in foxrock or blackrock is irrelvant.

hopalong85

ntlbell wrote:

no he missed the point, now your trying to make a point out of something he said when he clearly missed the point.

they are living among the castleknock's the renalagh's the blackrock's etc.

the fact that slightly more creative criminals are bread in foxrock or blackrock is irrelvant.

No, you are just so wrong here. I am making a point out of something he said. Actually i'm just clarifying the point he made which you didn't understand the first time i guess.

The vast majority of criminals in this country come from lower income areas. You can go on all day about "creative" criminals or whatever but the fact is the majority of all criminals come from certain types of areas. This is a fact that any sane person can't deny.

ntlbell

hopalong85 wrote:

No, you are just so wrong here. I am making a point out of something he said. Actually i'm just clarifying the point he made which you didn't understand the first time i guess.

I asked where they lived.

his answers were incorrect.

that's where they were brought up.

see?

wrong answer?

then you try and use that to make some sort of point?

see?

it's a fun game!

stop, think...and..list...read..!

hopalong85

Where a criminal lives is far less relevant than where they come from. The place they come from is the place where they embark upon their life of crime, and being a scumbag. Luckily enough only a very few have the intelligence to actually make any sort of significant "success".

ntlbell

hopalong85 wrote:

Where a criminal lives is far less relevant than where they come from. The place they come from is the place where they embark upon their life of crime, and being a scumbag. Luckily enough only a very few have the intelligence to actually make any sort of significant "success".

surley where criminal lives = crime ridden area no ?

ding dong?

Degsy

ntlbell wrote:

no hard facts and would probably take a bit of time but I would imagine the average house price in Finglas in 06 was a fair whack more than 300k and I would say in 07 it's still higher than 300k

It took me seconds..here we go
http://www.myhome.ie/search/search_results.asp

ntlbell

Degsy wrote:

It took me seconds..here we go
http://www.myhome.ie/search/search_results.asp

can't see anything.

thanks tho

was it over 300k?

Terry

Prices ranging from €315,000 to €520,000 for a semi-detatched.

ntlbell

Terry wrote:

Prices ranging from €315,000 to €520,000 for a semi-detatched.

ah I thought he'd done some fancy avg for the year compared to 06 etc

John Mason

my 3 bedhouse in finglas was valued about 2 months ago at excess 370k!!

Tabnabs

I saw a three bedroom house "sale agreed" in Tallaght for €600K, is Tallaght twice as safe as Finglas?

John Mason

i like finglas, everyone is friendly and my neighbours are brilliant. if i won the lottery, i wouldnt move, most people refuse to believe this but its true. you shouldnt knock it until you have tried it

AARRRGH

ntlbell I'm not going to waste any more time with you.

Terry wrote:

I want to know your definition.

I sadly suspect you are hoping I say something like "people without college degrees" or something like that, but again my answer has to be "everyone knows what a skanger is."

I'll show you a picture if that helps -

http://cornerstonegroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/chavs.jpg

Note they aren't wearing the tracksuits because they're athletes, nor are they the type who loves to have friendly chats and ring ambulances when required.

Terry wrote:

I also want to know why you changed your location from "Guess" to "Finglas". That just seems like trolling to me.

It's a harmless joke, and also it's to make a point that I don't have a problem with Finglas, I am just stating the obvious that an area like Finglas is closer to being "crime ridden" than an area like Terenure.

ntlbell

Dyflin wrote:

I saw a three bedroom house "sale agreed" in Tallaght for €600K, is Tallaght twice as safe as Finglas?

as stated all ready it's a stupid compparison Tallaght is huge

In Tallaght you can live in places like Old Bawn, Kiltipper, watergate all beautiful aeras well sort after and would be regarded very safe.

You can also live in the top of Jobstown which is more like Iraq.

pretty much everywhere in Dublin is like this now, Tallaght is now a lot more middle class than people would like to think.

AARRRGH

irishbird wrote:

i like finglas, everyone is friendly and my neighbours are brilliant. if i won the lottery, i wouldnt move, most people refuse to believe this but its true. you shouldnt knock it until you have tried it

Ladybird, that's cool. No one is saying though that you shouldn't live there or like it there, we're saying in comparison with other parts of Dublin it would be considered more "crime ridden" or even "not as nice".

I think this is fair.

For example, I grew up in Stillorgan and I have no problem accepting Dalkey is "nicer" and "less crime ridden" than Stillorgan.

ntlbell

dublindude wrote:

ntlbell I'm not going to waste any more time with you.

I'll show you a picture if that helps -

http://cornerstonegroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/chavs.jpg

Note they aren't wearing the tracksuits because they're athletes, nor are they they type who loves to have friendly chats and ring ambulances when required.

I know I put questions to you that you find it hard to answer without looking like an idiot, but try.

So you show a picture of some people hanging around their area, this to me looks like bored teenagers which in stilorgan are fine right?

you point out they wear tracksuits but are not athelete's? so what? people all over ireland from Ballymun to dalkey wear tracksuits who are not athelete's? what does this prove?

what does this picture tell us?

that you're small little minded boy who can't see past someone's clothes? that you lack so much in creative intellegince you have to put everyone into little boxes to try and understand them?

that picture tells me nothing about the people in it, but a lot about you.

Terry

How do you know they are not athletes?

I see plenty of people who look like that coming and going to the local GAA club.

Orange69

ntlbell wrote:

I know I put questions to you that you find it hard to answer without looking like an idiot, but try.

So you show a picture of some people hanging around their area, this to me looks like bored teenagers which in stilorgan are fine right?

you point out they wear tracksuits but are not athelete's? so what? people all over ireland from Ballymun to dalkey wear tracksuits who are not athelete's? what does this prove?

what does this picture tell us?

that you're small little minded boy who can't see past someone's clothes? that you lack so much in creative intellegince you have to put everyone into little boxes to try and understand them?

that picture tells me nothing about the people in it, but a lot about you.

Oh Jesus christ will you give it a rest man... if you think the guys in that picture are not scumbags then you must have the brain of youghurt..

With every post you embarrass yourself more and more..

An Citeog

gurramok wrote:

Funny this part

A 3-bed house in Finglas is going for about 300k. A couple would need to be earning about 35k each to afford this.
So to sum up, if you wanna live in Finglas, you need a partner first and both of ye have be a good earners and in professional jobs to pay a mortgage for next 35 yrs.
If you wanna live in Foxrock, you need to have won the lotto or made your dosh from your drugs empire or your law empire:D

Now translate above to an outsider who knows nothing about Dublin, they come to the conclusion that all areas in the entire city are middle-upper class due to house prices which just shows how crazy the housing bubble is.

I think this is the whole point the op is making i.e. that house prices have shot up all over the place.

ntlbell wrote:

surley where criminal lives = crime ridden area no ?

ding dong?

I'm with hopalong85 on this. There are not many criminals (I'm talking the likes of the Monk and people with that kind of profile) living in areas like Clontarf or Terenure and those that do tend to try and keep a low profile. They're not ones to go ****ting on their own doorsteps. Where an isolated criminal (again using Hutch as an example) lives does not equate to crime-ridden area. Crime-ridden areas are those where anti-social behaviour and other instances of crime are regular occurences. For the purpose of this thread, it has also been defined as a residential area. I've never lived in Finglas but I've got a lot of friends who do. None of them are scumbags but it's still got that reputation of being a 'rough' area, whether it's media portrayed or based on ignorant prejudice.

ntlbell

Orange69 wrote:

Oh Jesus christ will you give it a rest man... if you think the guys in that picture are not scumbags then you must have the brain of youghurt..

With every post you embarrass yourself more and more..

I obviously do.

Maybe you been a bright spark can explain why, from that one picture they're scumbags?

why?

gurramok

Terry wrote:

Prices ranging from €315,000 to €520,000 for a semi-detatched.

Which sums up, would you(not you personally but anyone) pay 315k or 520k tops to live in a so-called undesirable area called Finglas(Dublindude says so )?

Would you pay anything over even 300k for a 3bed gaff in any area of dublin where all those 300k gaffs are in 'undesirable areas'?
Alot of middle class types would say no(i know ppl like this) as those 300k gaffs are in the stereotypical crime ridden areas despite being near to the city centre with available facilities unlike the new legolands on the outskirts

It just shows how house prices are extremely out of whack with normality that 2 above average earners can't even afford to live in the 'undesirable' areas!

AARRRGH

ntlbell wrote:

I obviously do.

Maybe you been a bright spark can explain why, from that one picture they're scumbags?

why?

It is totally obvious ntlbell is tyring to disrupt this disussion by insulting and winding people up, so I suggest people don't continue to feed him.

ntlbell

dublindude wrote:

It is totally obvious ntlbell is tyring to disrupt this disussion by insulting and winding people up, so I suggest people don't continue to feed him.

LOL

What gives you that idea...

Degsy

gurramok wrote:

Which sums up, would you(not you personally but anyone) pay 315k or 520k tops to live in a so-called undesirable area called Finglas(Dublindude says so )?

Would you pay anything over even 300k for a 3bed gaff in any area of dublin where all those 300k gaffs are in 'undesirable areas'?
Alot of middle class types would say no(i know ppl like this) as those 300k gaffs are in the stereotypical crime ridden areas despite being near to the city centre with available facilities unlike the new legolands on the outskirts

It just shows how house prices are extremely out of whack with normality that 2 above average earners can't even afford to live in the 'undesirable' areas!

Peopl will buy where they can afford.If you cant afford to buy you cant comment on areas at all.

An Citeog

ntlbell wrote:

LOL

What gives you that idea...

This may have something to do with it:

ntlbell wrote:

Not really, dublindude is one of them little girls who likes to sit on the back seat on the top of busses in his sailing shoes and lemon ralph lauren polo shirts. He often has to give up this as a confident 10yr old kid from shankill (south side ftw) walks up the stairs gives him "the look" and he has to hall is lemon polo shirt out of there.

So he goes home and constantly has to question why a 10yr old can be so confident wearing his cheap tracksuit his 0 all over hair cut and his cheap rave songs yet, he is still a scared little girl.

it's one of life's tough questions for the scared d4 men(girls) of ireland y'know!

Orange69

An Citeog wrote:

This may have something to do with it:

touche

hopalong85

ntlbell wrote:

surley where criminal lives = crime ridden area no ?

ding dong?

My god, what you're saying is so illogical. Let me try to explain this for you. When a criminal moves to an affluent area he remains in control of the crime in the area he has come from. It is these areas that remain crime ridden. One or two major criminals living in a particular area doesn't make said area crime ridden. Hundreds of criminals living in an area does.
Hence the difference between areas like Finglas and areas like Blackrock.

bill_ashmount

Holy smoke Batman, 10 pages, unreal.....

Can we not just all agree that the whole of Dublin is a sh*thole

Zulu

troll trolly troll troll...

Degsy

I wonder what Mr Hiberno-Chancer Ginger Cliche Man David McWilliams would make of all this.He has his Breakfast Roll Man and Botox Betty and RoboPaddy.What would he collectivley generalise the criminally-minded,tracksuit-wearing hordes that infest our Council estates as?