calzaghe vs kessler, cardiff

cowzerp

Calzaghe attacking and wins rd but kessler is composed-great match up-draw so far.

JoeyJJ

Joes round, putting him on the back foot, was that a slip, thought there was a body shot there and it caused it. Some nice showboating hopefully not too much of that.

ooter

a bit too much showboating for my liking,this fella's a double world champion.
concentrate on the boxing joe.....

JoeyJJ

Slip alright.

2-1 Joe

ntlbell

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Joes round, putting him on the back foot, was that a slip, thought there was a body shot there and it caused it. Some nice showboating hopefully not too much of that.

At first I thought it was actually a low blow, much better round

ooter

this fella will go toe to toe all night.careful Joe,no need to play up to the crowd!

ntlbell

joe caught badly twice, a smashing right hand from kess then an uppercut joe not looking as comfortable now kess catches him with a second uppercut.....going to be great

JoeyJJ

2-2 Great round for Kessler, hurt joe a bit, caught flat a couple of times.

cowzerp

calz did not like them shots-could be in trouble!! kesslers rd im scoring it 1 up kessler

ooter

no one on the back foot ,both fighters standing their ground.
good fight!

JoeyJJ

tough one to call the 5ft, Kessler with the more dangerous shots. 2-3 Kessler.

cowzerp

evens for me again-calz cant get his shots off clean, kessler landing better shots.

JoeyJJ

3-3 Joe technically boxing well.

cowzerp

calzaghe is hitting kesslers gloves and the commentators are calling them scores! i have it even now though..

ooter

poor round!
calzaghe probably shaded it....

yayamark

kessler in trouble

Calzy in trouble

ooter

don't fcuk with kessler.
this fella's the real deal........

cowzerp

great round by calzaghe 1st half then kessler, even round.

yayamark

cracking round could go either way

ref tells him go easy on punch at back of the head it wasnt bad, actually saved kessler

cowzerp

kessler winning round 8 but calzaghe made it even 2nd half, calzaghe looked hurt.

cowzerp

calzaghe 1 up-he won that round. although he is missing a lot of shots.

yayamark

round 9 to cal but kessler took a breather

I wxpect a big one from kessler here

cowzerp

even round-i have calzaghe 1 up hbo have him 5 up!!

yayamark

calzagyy in control kessler is fading

ooter

i'd go along with the setanta commentators,2 big rounds needed by kessler..

cowzerp

calzaghe wins round 11-2 up now kessler needs ko! calzaghe 2 up.

yayamark

final round cal has it but just keep kessler at bay cos hes gonna come at him big style:mad:

ooter

well done joe!
nothing left to prove......
5 weeks to go to the hatton fight,can't wait!

cowzerp

calzaghe looked fitter, kessler had him rocked but joe did enough to win by 2 or 3 rounds-well done joe...

yayamark

ya joe won but if kessler had fought like he did in the 12th in the whole fight he would have given cal an unreal fight

cooker3

Man, that was a quality fight from both of them.

Credit to Calzaghe. I was watching it on HBO and Emmanuel Steward was commentating and saying how impressive he was and have to agree. He always the answers to everything Kessler did.

Btw, I thought the ref was bad, he stopped Calzaghe when he had Kessler in trouble and Kessler just admitted in the interview that he was hurt during that part.

Overall great fight, look to see them fight again

Big Ears

yayamark wrote: »

ya joe won but if kessler had fought like he did in the 12th in the whole fight he would have given cal an unreal fight

Kessler would have left himself far too open if he fought the whole fight like that , but for a lot of rounds he simply didn't let his punches go enough . His aggression was fine though , just too much of taking Calzaghe's jab without countering .

I scored it 116-112 , a fantastic performance from an all-time great .

yayamark

cooker3 wrote: »

Man, that was a quality fight from both of them.

Credit to Calzaghe. I was watching it on HBO and Emmanuel Steward was commentating and saying how impressive he was and have to agree. He always the answers to everything Kessler did.

Btw, I thought the ref was bad, he stopped Calzaghe when he had Kessler in trouble and Kessler just admitted in the interview that he was hurt during that part.

Overall great fight, look to see them fight again

How did u watch it on hbo in ireland?

getthegarglein

ello... how come steve collins pulled out of fighting yer man anyway? and how come none of the euro boys seemed/seem to want to fight roy jones?

plus.. i listened to the fight on radio and it sounded pretty good - was it a clean fight?

cooker3

yayamark wrote: »

How did u watch it on hbo in ireland?

I found a stream of it. The interweb is great

dlofnep

Was one of the greatest fights in a LONG time. Both guys showed great heart and fought their asses off.

nacho libre

Calzaghe has silenced all the doubters now. A phenomenal performance.
Kessler is a class act too. No shame in losing to a living legend.

Big Ears

getthegarglein wrote: »

ello... how come steve collins pulled out of fighting yer man anyway? and how come none of the euro boys seemed/seem to want to fight roy jones?

plus.. i listened to the fight on radio and it sounded pretty good - was it a clean fight?

At the time Calzaghe seemed a young upcomming prospect who looked quite good but realisticly nothing that out of the ordinary . He was seen as just another fighter and Collins knew he himself was on the slide and that the time to retire was now . Makes sense , Calzaghe himself says himself said he would always retire when he doesn't have it anymore(or 12 months as he says now) and Collins was losing it .

All of the euro boys wanted to fight Jones , the problem about those fights not happening is with Jones , except with Dairusz Michalczewski who was as equally unprepared to leave Germany(his adopted fighting country) as JOnes was to leave the United States(caused by Jones 'loss' in the Olympics) .

Benn , Eubank and Collins all would of fought Jones and in America but Jones knew they were high risk low reward fights and he could get away with it by passing them off as European nobodies . James Toney used the same trick only the difference with Toney is that there is a good chance he mightn't of beaten Benn or Eubank , he had moved up by the time Collins came along though .

King of Kings

Big Ears wrote: »

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Benn , Eubank and Collins all would of fought Jones and in America but Jones knew they were high risk low reward fights and he could get away with it by passing them off as European nobodies . James Toney used the same trick only the difference with Toney is that there is a good chance he mightn't of beaten Benn or Eubank , he had moved up by the time Collins came along though .

in my humble opinion eubank would have beaten jones. I reckon collins would have too. benn although the harder punch was too wild and jones would have caught him.

anyway back top last night. despite setanta fleecing me of 28 for one nights boxing. It was a cracking fight and great to see a top fight that up till the very end could have gone to either fighter. Kudos to joe on a magnificent fight and continued record.
Well impressed with kezzler. he was really good and I reckon he'll go to the US too and clean up. it was nice to hear the compliments about the other fighter at the end from the different camps. Pity more boxing can't be like that.

frank warren to steal kezzler? just a thought;)

I'm not sure about joe moving up weight. He is fantastic but not sure he has the punching power to hurt heavier guys esp. if they are top guys.
He'd better get ready for long hard 12 round matches and winning based on throwing more punches but being hurt more.

I think kezzler would do better than joe at light heavy as he has great technique and the powertp hurt bigger guys.

Big Ears

Cotto v Mosley is on Setanta next week and word is the McCullough v Martinez fight is going to be shown on Setanta not RTE so you'll get 3 boxing cards at least out of your money .

Calzaghe will indeed move up , but there's is no need to worry about bigger guys cause it'll be Hopkins who he's fighting . Okay Hopkins is actually a normal sized Light-Heavyweight but he won't hit too hard for Calzaghe and he doesn't throw rnough punches to put Joe away even if he does hurt him .

Yes Calzaghe will probably have to go the long route from now on , his damaged left hand(which used to have serious power) just doesn't have enough in it anymore to knock out the best .

Unless Hopkins does something crazy at the negotiation tables again that fight will be made . If not a fight with Woods or Chad Dawson would probably be made . But I feel that a Hopkins v Calzaghe fight will come through for sometime early enough next year and that Joe will win that fight on points .

After that the next opponents will be decided by fights that haven't happened yet , Pavlik v Taylor(+ 1 other fight for the winner after that) , Jones v Trinidad , Dawson v ? and Woods v ?(it would take a huge win for Woods to get Calzaghe if Calzaghe was to beat Hopkins) .

Also to be considered is Calzaghe says he'll stick around for 12 more months . That's 2/3 more fights and providing no nasty injuries I think Joe would like that to be 3 .

My prediction is Hopkins , Jones , Dawson with Woods being a substitute for any of those fights that don't work for whatever reason .

nacho libre

I would like to see him fight Hopkins and Pavlik or Taylor before calling it quits. Fighting Woods to finish your career would be an anti- climax imo. Having said that after last night's fight any of his remaining fight's could well be an anti-climax.

raven136

can anyone explain why hatton gets more credit than Calzaghe.Joe has had two amazing performances yet has been underappreciated in comparison to Hatton.Just wondering why,personally i reckon both of them are fantastic.

Dodge

raven136 wrote: »

can anyone explain why hatton gets more credit than Calzaghe.Joe has had two amazing performances yet has been underappreciated in comparison to Hatton.Just wondering why,personally i reckon both of them are fantastic.

Hatton's English. Calzaghe's not. Hatton plays on the "jack the lad" type image. Calzaghe doesn't.

nacho libre

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2007/11/05/soboxx105.xml


Yet, as Calzaghe showed against undefeated American Jeff Lacy last year, he possesses split-second decision-making which defines the best fighters, and had to rely several times on his seemingly iron-clad chin.


Even so, he went toe to toe with Kessler. "I can't help it. It's in my DNA to fight, and entertain."

I like that last comment.

megadodge

in my humble opinion eubank would have beaten jones. I reckon collins would have too. benn although the harder punch was too wild and jones would have caught him.

King of Kings, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, I genuinely think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone express the opinion that Eubank would have beaten Jones. Even in Eubank's autobiography (an excellent read by the way) he admits himself that he wouldn't have beaten Jones.

Big Ears, Collins is the only one of those three that you mentioned that ever even showed a hint of interest in Jones and that was when he was coming to the end of his career and he wanted a big payday. The other two never even considered fighting Jones and then there was the wonderful TV moment when Benn and Eubank were in studio for their upcoming fight (2nd I think) talking the usual crap when they were put on a live link to America and James Toney. Now I never liked Toney, but that interview stands out as one of the most amazing pieces of TV I've seen in boxing purely for the fact that after all the rubbish the two boys spoke to each other, once Toney started trash talking them they just shut up like little boys being scolded by a teacher and were too afraid to say anything. It was so obvious that neither of them wanted anything to do with him and for two such brave men it was shocking to see.

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

King of Kings, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, I genuinely think this is the first time I've ever heard anyone express the opinion that Eubank would have beaten Jones. Even in Eubank's autobiography (an excellent read by the way) he admits himself that he wouldn't have beaten Jones.

Big Ears, Collins is the only one of those three that you mentioned that ever even showed a hint of interest in Jones and that was when he was coming to the end of his career and he wanted a big payday. The other two never even considered fighting Jones and then there was the wonderful TV moment when Benn and Eubank were in studio for their upcoming fight (2nd I think) talking the usual crap when they were put on a live link to America and James Toney. Now I never liked Toney, but that interview stands out as one of the most amazing pieces of TV I've seen in boxing purely for the fact that after all the rubbish the two boys spoke to each other, once Toney started trash talking them they just shut up like little boys being scolded by a teacher and were too afraid to say anything. It was so obvious that neither of them wanted anything to do with him and for two such brave men it was shocking to see.

I've seen that interview , I think both were so surprised with how ignorant and stupid a person can be that they just couldn't answer . Toney's one of the biggest idiots in the sport and if you're not used to him you just don't know how to respond .

Benn wasn't afraid of facing anyone , McClellan was much more fearsome than Toney .

walshb

Benn and Chris both were fearless and I give Benn a better chance at Jones than Chris, becuase Benn was such a vicious puncher and was so aggressive. Jones chin won't take Benn's shots if he lands them and I think he will because as fast as Roy was, Benn usually did get to land on everyone he faced. Chris had the chin to take it.
Toney definitely had the CHIN to take it and beat Benn.....Jones did NOT have the chin to take Benn's shots or the G-mans shots

megadodge

Jones did NOT have the chin to take Benn's shots or the G-mans shots

And when, up until he was 35 years of age having been a pro for over 15 years did Jones ever show signs of not having a good chin ?

He was floored once (Del Valle) while off-balance. He got up very pissed off at himself and was in absolutely no trouble for the rest of the round or fight. Other than that ?

Or are you going to go down the road another poster on another forum went and tell me that nobody actually hit him for 15 years... except of course Del Valle... once !

Besides, Benn didn't carry his power up to super-middle and that shouldn't need mentioning, but unfortunately people only ever seem to remember his spectacular KO's at middle and conveniently ignore his less than impressive super-middle stats. Benn would have got massacered by Jones.

McClellan and Jones fought as amateurs with McClellan winning a majority verdict which obviously means the judges were split, which obviously means both were landing punches ! See the following quote from John "The Iceman" Scully's recollection of the bout -

"One year later in the National Golden Gloves in Omaha, Nebraska I saw Roy attempt to win his third straight National G.G. title. He beat Thomas Tate by decision early in the tournament and stopped Future NABF Champ Fabian Williams later on. But it was his third fight of the week that caught everybody's attention. Too bad nobody filmed it because it was a WAR. I was getting ready to go into a different ring in a few minutes (there are three fights going at once at a National tournament) but the fight between Roy and Gerald McClellan was so exciting I hardly had time to warm up. I remember Roy being backed to the ropes a lot during the fight but he would fight off hard with furious flurries. Gerald was strong too, though, and would retaliate the same way. Nice flurries and combinations of hard punches for all three rounds. The decision was a close one and hard to call but, in the end, Gerald won the decision that would end up as the greatest victory of his amateur career. The fight was so tough for Gerald that a month later in camp with Sugar Ray Leonard, he wasn't sparring yet because his jaw was still sore from the fight with Roy."

Now I know there is a difference in the ams and pros but McClellan was always known as a big hitter even in the ams and if he landed enough punches on Jones to have three of the judges think he won the fight, well saying Jones "did NOT have the chin to take G-man's shots...." is factually incorrect for one and grossly underestimating Jones durability for another.

megadodge

Toney's one of the biggest idiots in the sport

Definitely agree with you there.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

And when, up until he was 35 years of age having been a pro for over 15 years did Jones ever show signs of not having a good chin ?

He was floored once (Del Valle) while off-balance. He got up very pissed off at himself and was in absolutely no trouble for the rest of the round or fight. Other than that ?

Or are you going to go down the road another poster on another forum went and tell me that nobody actually hit him for 15 years... except of course Del Valle... once !

Besides, Benn didn't carry his power up to super-middle and that shouldn't need mentioning, but unfortunately people only ever seem to remember his spectacular KO's at middle and conveniently ignore his less than impressive super-middle stats. Benn would have got massacered by Jones.

McClellan and Jones fought as amateurs with McClellan winning a majority verdict which obviously means the judges were split, which obviously means both were landing punches ! See the following quote from John "The Iceman" Scully's recollection of the bout -

"One year later in the National Golden Gloves in Omaha, Nebraska I saw Roy attempt to win his third straight National G.G. title. He beat Thomas Tate by decision early in the tournament and stopped Future NABF Champ Fabian Williams later on. But it was his third fight of the week that caught everybody's attention. Too bad nobody filmed it because it was a WAR. I was getting ready to go into a different ring in a few minutes (there are three fights going at once at a National tournament) but the fight between Roy and Gerald McClellan was so exciting I hardly had time to warm up. I remember Roy being backed to the ropes a lot during the fight but he would fight off hard with furious flurries. Gerald was strong too, though, and would retaliate the same way. Nice flurries and combinations of hard punches for all three rounds. The decision was a close one and hard to call but, in the end, Gerald won the decision that would end up as the greatest victory of his amateur career. The fight was so tough for Gerald that a month later in camp with Sugar Ray Leonard, he wasn't sparring yet because his jaw was still sore from the fight with Roy."

Now I know there is a difference in the ams and pros but McClellan was always known as a big hitter even in the ams and if he landed enough punches on Jones to have three of the judges think he won the fight, well saying Jones "did NOT have the chin to take G-man's shots...." is factually incorrect for one and grossly underestimating Jones durability for another.

Ok, show me one clip of Roy being hit clean and hard on the chin and still standing. Of course Jones was hit, but his chin was NOT ultimately tested ike Eubank's, Toney's or even Collins.....He never tasted shots that Benn could and did land at 160lbs. Jones was so fast and elusive, he didn't need to take shots and fair play to him. But IMO, against Benn who is one of the most aggressive fighters in history, I think Roy at some stage and I think in the early stages, will take a clean hit and not survive. His chin is not good enough.

Gerald was a big massive hard hitting middle with a very good chin and strength. He was one of the best punchers and finishers in the division and he
usually did get to land. Jones won't go 12 rds without Benn or Gerald landing clean shots and this spells disaster for Roy....

And yes the amateurs is different, headgears and referees who rarely allow a fighter to follow up...