youtube being throttled on bt?

vibe666

i'm on the 3mb BT package but youtube has been loading really slowly recently, too slowly even to stream stuff off it to the point where it is buffering every 5 or 10 seconds.

other video sites work fine (metacafe etc), and indeed other sites in general and I'm getting full speed with everything i do online except youtube. i thought maybe they were having bandwidth issues, but its fine at work during the day, but if i do an online ping of youtube from dnsstuff.com then i get a ping of 25-50ms and when i do it from home i get 200-400ms so something is very wrong, even tho i get sub 50ms pings in most other sites and with online games.

has anyone else experienced this?

zod

on the BT 3MB package also, and only remarked on this to a friend the other day. Assumed it was utube themselves that had throtled the output due to pressure on their servers?

Daemonic

I'm on BT's 2MB package and noticed the same thing for a couple of weeks now. So bad i don't even bother trying to watch anything on YouTube anymore.

ondafly

same issue here - i've noticed more often than not, some videos just don't load at all. The same videos work fine on my office connection or 3G connection.

Irishdudedave

I used to have this problem too, then I downloaded Speedbit Video Accelerator...They fly along now...

www.speedbit.com/video_accelerator/

bambam

Irishdudedave wrote:

I used to have this problem too, then I downloaded Speedbit Video Accelerator...They fly along now...

www.speedbit.com/video_accelerator/

nice utility!

Conor108

I've noticed it and I'm on UTV BB. Seems to be getting better recently though

Markjf

I am on the BT 2mb pack here in Maynooth and I am having the same problem, I have a pc connected to my 32" Samsung, I had mates up the other night and tried to watch videos on YouTube but it would drive you nuts buffering all the time.

I thought it was YouTube’s severs but maybe not?

I have a laptop and that is also on the same home network and that is just as bad, just in case people think it's a virus or something.

Is there any way to prove if BT is throttling back YouTube?

vibe666

here's the average ping times (directly from my router, not my PC) for a couple of sites.

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boards.ie (89.234.66.107) 23.1ms

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bbc.co.uk (212.58.224.131) 36.2ms

---

ie.youtube.com (208.65.153.251) 209ms
youtube.com (208.65.153.253) 211ms

---

microsoft.com (207.46.197.32) 203ms
microsoft.ie (80.93.17.47) 102ms

---

yahoo.com (216.109.112.135) 149ms
yahoo.ie (217.146.186.221) 45ms

---

oracle.com (141.146.8.66) 141ms
oracle.ie & .uk (208.69.32.139) 107-ms

---

google.com (64.233.167.99) 145ms
google.ie (66.249.93.104) 60ms

---

metacafe.com (72.32.103.177) 140ms

i know it's hardly any concrete proof and i would expect longer ping times for more distant servers, but it seems like the ie and com youtube sites are in the same location, wherever that is, but metacafe and others work fine, so I don't see what the problem is unless it's being throttled.

would be interesting to get more feedback from people not using bitstream products.

i'd say that these days youtube is one of the main (legit) reasons for lots of home users using broadband, so it's not really on if someone is doing something like this on purpose.

just out of curiosity, how many people having problems here are using the opendns DNS servers? i changed to them when there were lots of DNS problems in Ireland a while back and it's all been fine till now. maybe that might have something to do with it, I don't know.

P.S> I've tried youtube from a Linux linux desktop with firefox and opera, and xp with IE and opera and it's no different on any platform or browser, so i'm confident it's not that. metacafe loads plenty more quickly than needed to stream almost instantly, along with video's from the apple site etc.

i'm stumped. anyone?

zod

Irishdudedave wrote:

I used to have this problem too, then I downloaded Speedbit Video Accelerator...They fly along now...

www.speedbit.com/video_accelerator/

avast gave an adware alert on that product

my pings :

Pinging ie.youtube.com [208.65.153.253] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.65.153.253: bytes=32 time=214ms TTL=239
Reply from 208.65.153.253: bytes=32 time=216ms TTL=239
Reply from 208.65.153.253: bytes=32 time=213ms TTL=239
Reply from 208.65.153.253: bytes=32 time=218ms TTL=239

I use the BT dns servers

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I'm on BT 3mb and have recently noticed the same problem with youtube. I gave up trying to watch anything from it.

vibe666

hmm. anyone else not on a bitstream product having problems?

or using/not using opendns?

Markjf

I just did a test with the brother he is on a 2mb package with Eircom in Westmeath I am with BT 2MB package in Maynooth

We first went to www.btyahoo.co.uk/speedtest and downloaded the 15MB file we both had an average transfer speed of 215kbs

We then both went to www.youtube.com and downloaded the Simpsons WOW video, He had no trouble at all and the downloaded and watched the video no problem I on the other hand gave up as it kept stopping and started to buffer the video.

I don’t know if this means to much but it does prove that it’s not the YouTube servers that are the problem.

darkskol

noticed same problem myself with bt 2mb

vibe666

tried it using the BT dns servers (from the support site, the 194 ones) and it was no different. wasn't really expecting it to be, but it was worth a go.

dirtchamber

BT DNS:
192.111.39.1
192.111.39.4

Eircom DNS:
213.94.190.194
213.94.190.236

vibe666

yep, that's the ones. straight from the BT support site. i just got my 192's and 194's mixed up.

i've mailed youtube about it, but so far i've just got the default copy/paste reply that they give to anyone having connection problems. i've mailed them back again with a link to the thread so they can see it's not just a one off. who knows, maybe it'll get far enough up the food chain to actually get something done about it.

i'm actually at home atm and normally i have no trouble from work (which comes via my company's web proxy in the UK) at this time of day, but I'm still having buffering issues from here now.

BlackWizard

Its really slow for me in the evenings. Cant use it.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's been really slow for me all weekend, but I assumed It was cos I was at my prents house
hrm...well at least I can just start looking elsewhere than youtube
hopefully that'll help

JDxtra

Same problem for me, BT 3Mb package in Leixlip. It has been like this for a few weeks also - assumed it was YouTube until I seen this thread!

All other flash based video sharing sites seem fine.

Auvers

yeah its pretty much the same for me in Swords, always have to pause the vid to let it cache and then watch it

Lex_Diamonds

Me too! On the 3mb BT package.

Has anyone rang BT about it? I know it's a sacrifice but it might help?

Shyboy

Same here. BT 1MB Package.

vishal

same here

purple'n'gold

I have the most expensive package, and I also have this problem. In Wexford

Sandwich

Having the same problem with RTE archive programmes. really annoying as i had become used to watching at my convenience rather than when transmitted. utube became a problem about the same time - 3 or 4 weeks ago.

JDxtra

It's happening right now for me, two sample trace routes to the host server are below...

C:\>tracert ash-v262.ash.youtube.com

Tracing route to ash-v262.ash.youtube.com [64.15.119.241]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 3 ms 4 ms 2 ms 10.30.30.1
2 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms bas508.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.245]
3 16 ms 12 ms 12 ms vlan501.rt502.cwt.esat.net [193.95.137.125]
4 12 ms 13 ms 14 ms vlan52.rt001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.130.145]
5 15 ms 13 ms 12 ms ge1-0.core002.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.2]
6 28 ms 31 ms 29 ms pos2-0.br002.ldn.esat.net [193.95.131.50]
7 29 ms 31 ms 29 ms 195.66.226.185
8 188 ms 189 ms 189 ms t1-1.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.26]
9 189 ms 184 ms 183 ms t3-2.mpd01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.185]
10 188 ms 189 ms 187 ms t4-3.mpd01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.169]
11 174 ms 175 ms 174 ms t4-2.mpd01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.221]
12 279 ms 204 ms 201 ms t7-3.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.2.198]
13 183 ms 185 ms 182 ms t4-2.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.230]
14 215 ms 214 ms 214 ms YouTube.demarc.cogentco.com [38.99.212.222]
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * ^C

***

C:\>tracert ash-v339.ash.youtube.com

Tracing route to ash-v339.ash.youtube.com [208.117.228.46]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 10.30.30.1
2 13 ms 11 ms 14 ms bas508.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.245]
3 13 ms 14 ms 14 ms vlan501.rt501.cwt.esat.net [193.95.137.124]
4 13 ms 10 ms 13 ms vlan53.rt002.cwt.esat-x.com [193.95.130.153]
5 14 ms 13 ms 11 ms ge0-0.core002.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.18]
6 29 ms 28 ms 29 ms pos2-0.br002.ldn.esat.net [193.95.131.50]
7 29 ms 31 ms 32 ms 195.66.226.185
8 32 ms 29 ms 30 ms g2-0-0.core02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.61]
9 97 ms 100 ms 97 ms p0-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.105]
10 97 ms 97 ms 97 ms p5-0.core01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.9]
11 101 ms 96 ms 96 ms t4-2.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.114]
12 99 ms 100 ms 99 ms t4-4.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.38]
13 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 ^C

Lex_Diamonds

Nice one Praetor, thanks for looking into this.

I've noticed a similar problem occurring with streaming vids from www.movieweb.com

vishal

tracert ash-v262.ash.youtube.com

Tracing route to ash-v262.ash.youtube.com [64.15.119.241]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms bas506.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.242]
3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms vlan500.rt501.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.124]
4 85 ms 242 ms 280 ms vlan51.rt001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.130.137]
5 9 ms 9 ms 10 ms ge1-0.core002.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.2]
6 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms pos2-0.br002.ldn.esat.net [193.95.131.50]
7 27 ms 26 ms 27 ms 195.66.226.185
8 180 ms 181 ms 181 ms t2-1.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.1
8]
9 181 ms 181 ms 181 ms t3-2.mpd01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.1
85]
10 181 ms 181 ms 180 ms t2-4.mpd01.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.22
]
11 254 ms 180 ms 180 ms t8-2.mpd01.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.5.17
3]
12 181 ms 180 ms 179 ms t9-4.mpd01.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.16
1]
13 180 ms 180 ms 180 ms t2-4.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.13
0]
14 182 ms 181 ms 182 ms t7-2.mpd01.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.29
]
15 180 ms 179 ms 192 ms v3492.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.1
0]
16 179 ms 178 ms 178 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.105.16.18]

17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 180 ms 179 ms 179 ms ash-v262.ash.youtube.com [64.15.119.241]

Trace complete.

Markjf

Tracing route to www.youtube.com [208.65.153.238]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms mygateway.ar7 [192.168.1.1]
2 29 ms 13 ms 14 ms bas502.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.238]
3 29 ms 14 ms 13 ms vlan501.rt501.cwt.esat.net [193.95.137.124]
4 288 ms 259 ms 135 ms vlan51.rt001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.130.137]
5 26 ms 13 ms 13 ms ge1-0.core002.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.2]
6 46 ms 30 ms 29 ms pos2-0.br002.ldn.esat.net [193.95.131.50]
7 47 ms 30 ms 30 ms 195.66.226.185
8 44 ms 30 ms 30 ms g2-0-0.core02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.
1.61]
9 136 ms 117 ms 116 ms p9-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.25
3]
10 122 ms 101 ms 101 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.17
0]
11 115 ms 101 ms 100 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.11
8]
12 117 ms 99 ms 100 ms t4-4.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.38
]
13 134 ms 128 ms 138 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]

14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 156 ms 159 ms 140 ms 64.15.116.9
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 201 ms 209 ms 209 ms www.youtube.com [208.65.153.238]

Trace complete.

Markjf

Here is another one from this afternoon still the same no change.





Tracing route to www.youtube.com [208.65.153.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 4 ms 1 ms 1 ms mygateway.ar7 [192.168.1.1]
2 27 ms 13 ms 12 ms bas502.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.238]
3 31 ms 13 ms 20 ms vlan501.rt502.cwt.esat.net [193.95.137.125]
4 231 ms 25 ms 14 ms vlan52.rt001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.130.145]
5 25 ms 12 ms 13 ms ge1-0.core002.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.2]
6 60 ms 30 ms 31 ms pos2-0.br002.ldn.esat.net [193.95.131.50]
7 47 ms 29 ms 31 ms 195.66.226.185
8 60 ms 31 ms 30 ms g9-0-0.core01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.
1.77]
9 174 ms 139 ms 104 ms p3-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.18
9]
10 120 ms 105 ms 104 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.17
0]
11 107 ms 109 ms 110 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.11
8]
12 103 ms 165 ms 136 ms t4-2.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.30
]
13 159 ms 154 ms 139 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]

14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 172 ms 173 ms 171 ms 64.15.116.5
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * 237 ms 223 ms www.youtube.com [208.65.153.253]

Trace complete.