Russian national gets 10 years for rape

therecklessone

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfcweygb/

Pretty horrific crime, but I'm gobsmacked at the last part of that story...

Mr Justice Carney directed that Goncarovs be certified for registration as a sex offender and that he should undergo six years post-relief supervision.

Shouldn't that read "Justice Carney directed that Goncarovs be shown the door when he completes his sentence and never sets foot in Ireland again"?

I'm a card carrying pinko liberal communist at the best of times, but that scumbag should lose any right he has to remain here after he's done bird. I'd be inclined to see if the Russians would take him into their prison system to serve his time there, I'm certain he'd have a harder time there than here.

TwoShedsJackson

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

purple'n'gold

I bet he will be out in about 5 years, some bleeding heart will make a case that the culture of the Irish prison system is alien to him.

biko

****ing hell! Raping someone repeatably in their own home :mad:
Hopefully they'll put him in with general population in prison, rapists and molesters usually have a difficult time there.

Agamemnon

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

Because he's a rapist who has contributed sod all to the country and became a drain on the taxpayer's money while in prison.

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

If you mean while they're abroad, they should be booted out of the country when they've finished their sentence. People who go to another country and commit a serious crime there should lose their right to stay in that country.

arybvtcw0eolkf

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

Good enough reason for me.

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

I think regardless of your nationality a ten year sentence is too lenient and when your finished serving your time you should be sent back to your home country and a life time exclusion order issued against returning to the country of your crime.

gurramok

From the article, I think the Russian in question had residency in Latvia and had free movement to come here to work nder Nice treaty.
And yes, if they do get convictions here, they should be thrown out.

Unfortunately and a pity the Irish ones can't be thrown out too!

humanji

Mairt wrote:

I think regardless of your nationality a ten year sentence is too lenient and when your finished serving your time you should be sent back to your home country and a life time exclusion order issued against returning to the country of your crime.

Sounds about right to me.

hopalong85

Mairt wrote:

Good enough reason for me.




I think regardless of your nationality a ten year sentence is too lenient and when your finished serving your time you should be sent back to your home country and a life time exclusion order issued against returning to the country of your crime.

agreed, well put.

Burning Eclipse

Mairt wrote:

I think regardless of your nationality a ten year sentence is too lenient and when your finished serving your time you should be sent back to your home country and a life time exclusion order issued against returning to the country of your crime.

Personally I agree and it boils my blood that our tax is paying for this scum of the earth to be 're-habilitated'.

The reason they aren't ejected from the country is because it would be seen as punishing them twice for one crime.... Now, to me that seems like a good thing, apparently not to the justice system... :mad:

Ruu_Old

He should be deported after his sentence is finished and same goes for Irish people who commit crimes abroad. You are given an opportunity to live and work in another country, you don't go and abuse the privilege. Under certain conditions, US green card holders can have their status removed.

WindSock

Says he was a copper in Latvia. God knows what else he has done.

meglome

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

Anyone who is capable of committing such a crime is capable of doing it again. He's not Irish end of story so let's send him back to whence he came, why take the risk of having the likes of him in the country. Since when did we become responsible for other countries scum?

cooperguy

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

No because the idea of accepting immigrants is that it is of mutual benefit to both the country and the immigrant. If he is raping citizens of this country then he should be allowed to stay here to enjoy the benefits of this country.

therecklessone

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

Ruu summed it up perfectly.

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

As citizens we can't exactly force them out of the country, can we? This guy we can, and should. He wants to live here he should have behaved like a civilised human being. Its not like he accidently raped the victim, its not quite an "oh oh, spaghettiO's" moment, is it?

connundrum

What about that guy who got 12 years today for false inprisonment, assault and rape of a woman over a 5 hour period?

The last 4 years of the sentence were suspended pending mitigating circumstances... wtf does that mean? If he doesn't rape anyone else in his first 8 years in prison he's free to go?

For the billionth time this year I'll say that the sentencing in this country is a joke, for all crime.

JohnnyStones

meglome wrote:

Anyone who is capable of committing such a crime is capable of doing it again. He's not Irish end of story so let's send him back to whence he came, why take the risk of having the likes of him in the country. Since when did we become responsible for other countries scum?

If he had done this in Russia (i don't know maybe he has) he would have been sent to Serbia or something:)
have you see how prisoners are treated in Russian Jails (especially ex-coppers)

Jail in ireland for him will be like a holiday camp:D

:cool:

Sam Vimes

connundrum wrote:

What about that guy who got 12 years today for false inprisonment, assault and rape of a woman over a 5 hour period?

The last 4 years of the sentence were suspended pending mitigating circumstances... wtf does that mean? If he doesn't rape anyone else in his first 8 years in prison he's free to go?

For the billionth time this year I'll say that the sentencing in this country is a joke, for all crime.

thats not what it means. It means there was something that made the him less culpable like maybe he was raped as a child and is mentally scarred etc.

Trojan911

I hope he encounters "Mr Big" in the showers everyday for the rest of his sentence and I hope "Mr Big" orders him to "Pick up the soap" everytime.

Then send him back to Russia when released and watch him walking like John Wayne himself to the plane.....


TJ911...

Pighead

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

Of course it should be taken into consideration that hes foreign. If for example Pighead done a big dirty steaming poo on his parents dinner table they'd be fcuking raging and would probably ban Pighead from teh house for a week or two. Eventually though they would welcome Pighead back into the bosom of the family home and all would be ok again.

Now if Johnny ****typants from the next village down, went up to my parents house and shat on their dinner table the repurcussions would be much greater. For a start Papa Pighead would knock seven shades of blue out of the fcuker. Secondly he would be barred from ever entering chez Pigheads parents again and would be forbidden from setting foot anywhere near the house. Proper order too.

Bottom line is this, its never nice to poo on somebodys dinner table but its twice as despicable if you've never even sat at that table before. Or something like that.

griffdaddy

JohnnyStones wrote:

If he had done this in Russia (i don't know maybe he has) he would have been sent to Serbia or something:)
have you see how prisoners are treated in Russian Jails (especially ex-coppers)

Jail in ireland for him will be like a holiday camp:D

:cool:

Siberia i think you mean mate, Serbia is actually quite a nice place to visit these days, went to a music festival there as part of my 6th year holiday and saw Ian Brown and Underworld:D

Nevyn

and there are the cases that never get heard like the young down syndrome woman who was raped by a lativan but the case will not be tried as she is not considered a crediible witness.

It took a day in court this week for it to be thrown out and the charges dropped.

Orange69

He measured sentence at the 15 years mark on the scale available to him and took into account Goncarovs' guilty plea which was of major assistance to the couple, that he had a history of work and came to Ireland to earn money to send back home.

He was caught in the womans apartment, red handed as it were and he got 5 years off for pleading guilty?

This country is a ****ing joke...

This guy should be doing 15 years at least and should be ejected out of the EU when he is done.... any citizen ship which is granted to immigrants should be strippable in the event of criminal activity..

And who decides on all this bleeding heart "5 years off because he was really good at playing the trumpet in school" ****e?????? seriously criminals should be treated like the scum that they are...

This country makes my blood boil...

DanGerMus

Thaedydal wrote:

and there are the cases that never get heard like the young down syndrome woman who was raped by a lativan but the case will not be tried as she is not considered a crediible witness.

It took a day in court this week for it to be thrown out and the charges dropped.

You're kidding?!?! Thats a joke, i am truly sick to the stomache at hearing this. Is there a report somewhere?

de5p0i1er

They should send him back home to serve his sentence and never let him set foot in this country again.

Wacker

I too think he should be expelled from the country at the end of his sentence. I imagine I'm in a minority in thinking that ten years seems to be about right for a jail term, so long as her serves clse to all of it. Judges don't have it easy whatsoever; there are not enough prison spaces and keeping him in for longer means someone else can't be.

JohnnyStones

griffdaddy wrote:

Siberia i think you mean mate, Serbia is actually quite a nice place to visit these days, went to a music festival there as part of my 6th year holiday and saw Ian Brown and Underworld:D

Siberia of course:o

Nevyn

happygandalf wrote:

You're kidding?!?! Thats a joke, i am truly sick to the stomache at hearing this. Is there a report somewhere?

Criminal court in Dublin last Thursday.

UpcomingStudent

three words:

cut... it ... off....

Capt'n Midnight

There seems to be a lot of sensation about the Foreigner Rapist.
Most rapes are by people known to the victim, but the idea that the criminal may go back to their own country isn't going to help improve the stats that 1 in 10 report a rape and only 5% of those go to court. In court there is a 69% conviction rate, but that is unsuprising when 95% of the reports don't get to court. http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/lack-of-reform-lets-rape-victims-suffer-in-silence-1050473.html

Found this
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2007/03/26/story303789.asp

A Georgian national who raped a Polish woman on her second night in Ireland has been jailed for 10 years by Mr Justice Barry White at the Central Criminal Court.

while looking for this
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/09/16/story26550.asp

He said he knew the attacks were wrong, but that alcohol made him feel braver. It was almost certain that, if he had not been caught, he would have struck again. Sliwinski had told his wife that he felt a ‘‘compulsion’’ to commit the assaults.

Mr Justice Paul Carney last month sentenced Sliwinski to ten years in prison for each offence, to run concurrently, and directed that he be certified as a sex offender.

‘An attacker who rapes a woman will be emboldened by the lack of any repercussions. Clearly, where nine out of ten cases do not get reported, this is a major issue. What we do know is that the once-off offender is the exceptio

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfeyausn/rss2/

Mr Justice Carney said the serial and predatory nature of the offences, and their effects on the victims, would warrant a 14-year sentence.

However, he said he must also take into account mitigating factors, including Sliwinski's lack of previous convictions, history of employment, his wife who has stood by him, his co-operation, his guilty plea, show of genuine remorse, and that he's making "good use" of his time in prison

I can't understand how his wife standing by him affects his sentence ?

billy the squid

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

if he committed the crime in a foreign country you would expect him to be booted out of said country.

foreign nationals who commit crimes here should be deported once they have served their sentence here

billy the squid

connundrum wrote:

What about that guy who got 12 years today for false inprisonment, assault and rape of a woman over a 5 hour period?

The last 4 years of the sentence were suspended pending mitigating circumstances... wtf does that mean? If he doesn't rape anyone else in his first 8 years in prison he's free to go?

For the billionth time this year I'll say that the sentencing in this country is a joke, for all crime.

The mitigating circumsatances were that he came from a broken home and he didnt get a playstation for christmas last year.

the_syco

Hopefully, him being an ex-cop, will allow him only to serve one year...


...and come out in a coffin.

UpcomingStudent wrote:

three words:

cut... it ... off....

Rape is sometimes about power, and can be done with broom handles, in cases where the rapist has a malfunctioning dick, and takes his own inadequacies out on women. It's ****ed up, but snipping it off won't change what they do, it'll just change how they do it.

=-=

As I don't want to be banned again from AH, I won't set out where we should send them, what they should do when they get there, and how we should shoot them if they escaped before their prison sentence was up.

Capt'n Midnight

That guy tonight - how come he wasn't up on an attempted murder charge ?

digitally-yours

Dublin teenager jailed for 12 years

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfcwojkf/

for your attention

Nevyn

And those are just the ones that make it to court.

Two new sets of numbers to boggle your brain..

One stating that for month of July 39 women attended the Sexual Assault and Treatment Unit (SATU) at the city’s Rotunda Hospital
and for the month of June 31 women were examined.

That is 70 women in the space of two months and that is only in Dublin and only those who came forward for treatment.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhcwkfidojmh/

On average out of those who do go to the Rape crises centre and those who do attend the Sexual Assault and Treatment Unit
only 10% will go to the garda.

So out of those 70 women only 7 will look to file reports and start the long and horrible process of helping to compile a file to be submitted to
the dept of prosecution.



The second set of numbers say that 5% of the cases reported to the garda are taken by the DPP to court.



So not even one of those 7 women may get a court date after all the humiliation telling their friends and family and statements and the physical collection of evidence

And having it known with in their community that they were raped.



Currently from the time a person is charged with rape until there is a day in court there is a waiting time of 118 weeks. Yes, weeks that is over two years.

So by the time a victim (who is treated under law as just a witness) gets to testify in court a lot of them will have healed and dealt with the issue to some degree and find all their wounds ripped open again and many can’t face it and ask for the charges to be dropped rather then put themselves and their family through all of this again.
Also all the resleased data is about sexual assualt and rape of women only and men are not factored in to them.

Trojan911

Thaedydal wrote:

So out of those 70 women only 7 will look to file reports and start the long and horrible process of helping to compile a file to be submitted to the dept of prosecution.

Any how many convictions will be gained out of those seven? One I predict if lucky. It is a shocking statistic.

However, just because seventy women attended this clinic it is not an automatic assumtion they were all raped. There are, unfortunately, those who falsely allege they have been raped/assaulted which doesn't help the legitimate victim.

I agree, the wait between charge & court date is to long and a fast tracking system is needed to reduce the victim waiting for a trial.

TJ911...

0ubliette

Mairt wrote:

Good enough reason for me.




I think regardless of your nationality a ten year sentence is too lenient and when your finished serving your time you should be sent back to your home country and a life time exclusion order issued against returning to the country of your crime.

100% agreed. Seriously, if youre coming to this country to 'make a new life' for yourself, and that life involves criminal activity and contributing nothing to our society apart from sexually assaulting citizens and draining our taxes while he rots in prison, then you can GTFO of my country as soon as youre done making friends with the paedos and rapists in the joy. F*cking bastard should be deported straight to a russian gulag IMO, he shouldnt even be given the chance to drain our taxes. Same goes for any immigrant committing any crime other than a misdemeanour.

Marunie

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Obviously he's a scumbag etc. etc. but what's the reason for fecking him out of the country after he completes his sentence? Because he's foreign?

What do you think should be done about an Irish person if they committed the same crime?

I know the PC brigade on boards.ie are all for letting anyone into the country and giving them the best of everything no matter what, but this is a new low, welcoming a rapist out of prison with open arms.

What do you want to do with him? move him into your house and share a room with your sister?

These scum need to be screened from genuine immigrants, we have plenty of scumbags here already - Idiot

m176244

Is it just me or does the sentencing not fit the crime in these cases?He probably won't even have to serve the full ten years,he should be given at least 25 years with no possible early release he'd learn then that if you do a crime you'll do hard time.

Terry

Marunie wrote:

I know the PC brigade on boards.ie are all for letting anyone into the country and giving them the best of everything no matter what, but this is a new low, welcoming a rapist out of prison with open arms.

What do you want to do with him? move him into your house and share a room with your sister?

These scum need to be screened from genuine immigrants, we have plenty of scumbags here already - Idiot

Attack the post, not the poster.

Read the charter before posting here again. Thanks.

Wacker

0ubliette wrote:

F*cking bastard should be deported straight to a russian gulag IMO, he shouldnt even be given the chance to drain our taxes. Same goes for any immigrant committing any crime other than a misdemeanour.

I don't agree with that; why should Russians bear the cost of imprisoning this guy? I'm not trying to be argumentative here; I'm just curious. Do most people think that immigrant criminals should be sentenced by their country of origin? That would be opening a huge can of worms, in my opinion.

0ubliette

Wacker wrote:

I don't agree with that; why should Russians bear the cost of imprisoning this guy? I'm not trying to be argumentative here; I'm just curious. Do most people think that immigrant criminals should be sentenced by their country of origin? That would be opening a huge can of worms, in my opinion.

Well why the hell should we?? Hes not irish, he wasnt born here, he's costing US money and harming our society, why should we do anything BUT deport him??

PiE

Because he's committed no crime in the country he'd be deported to, wouldn't be tried for any crime, would be a free man and would be putting more women at risk?

I fully endorse deporting him after the sentence mind you.

therecklessone

Wacker wrote:

I don't agree with that; why should Russians bear the cost of imprisoning this guy? I'm not trying to be argumentative here; I'm just curious. Do most people think that immigrant criminals should be sentenced by their country of origin? That would be opening a huge can of worms, in my opinion.

AFAIK, there is an international agreement that allows people to request they serve their time in their home country if convicted while abroad...whether the Irish and Russian governments can arrange such a move without his request I don't know.

Zaph

A guy in Galway got 9 years today for rape. He's Irish, so unfortunately there's no chance of chucking him out when he completes his sentence, something I believe should be done with anyone who commits a crime here after they've served their sentence. Likewise an Irish person convicted abroad should be sent back here after doing their time. But what worries me most about these two cases is that the Irish judiciary deems 9 or 10 years sufficient for some bollix who has put a woman through an absolutely horrific ordeal. Something needs to be addressed there before we start worrying about repatriating foreign criminals.

Capt'n Midnight

Trojan911 wrote:

Any how many convictions will be gained out of those seven? One I predict if lucky. It is a shocking statistic.

You are missing the point.
of 70 women were treated , how many others did not go ??
then the percentages are

7 reported it to the guards (10%)
0.35 cases went to trial (5%)
0.24 had a guilty verdict (69%)

So only one trial per 200 visits to the Sexual Assault and Treatment Unit :mad:

arybvtcw0eolkf

digitally-yours wrote:

Dublin teenager jailed for 12 years

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhkfcwojkf/

for your attention

You might be interested in this, that lads older brother was convicted for rape too!.

I know his father and sister really well, both lovely people but two seriously fvcked up brothers/son's.

Ardent

Back to the original post - this is the same Justice Carney who presided over the Wayne O'Donohoe case? The same Carney who launched a thinly veiled attack the other day on the young victim's mother, Majella Holohan, regarding her victim impact statement?

Won't go into the details of that particular case, or others Carney has presided over, but suffice to say that the legal system in this country is a farce and the judges and DPP are out of touch with reality. For a start, judges should have their room for discretion severely limited or removed - manslaughter should be 10 yrs served minimum. It's better to be perpetrator than the victim in this country.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I don't agree on sending him back to the Russians right at the moment.

But I do think he should be expelled when he's finished his sentence.

And I believe that non-EU people arriving here should be held in detention centers until they're giving a clean bill of health (full medicals) and a complete background check.

Why should we continue to be the dumping ground for every cretin out there?.

parliament

therecklessone wrote:

.... I'd be inclined to see if the Russians would take him into their prison system to serve his time there, I'm certain he'd have a harder time there than here.

or maybe they would give him some medal of sorts if Putin hears about it

"Raped 10 women! I would never have expected that from him. He surprised us all. We all envy him."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/10/21/1160851171735.html