Oscar Wilde & Spike Milligan: Irish or British?

Fratton Fred

Ireland was part of the UK, not the British Empire and therefore the Irish were entitled to a passport of the United Kingdon of Great Britain and Ireland.

despite what it may appear, not everyone in Pakistan, India, Australia, Jamaica etc are entitled to UK passports.

Fratton Fred

dodgyme wrote: »

no the heart!

I'd agree with that.

Fratton Fred

baztard wrote: »

No they were Irish before and after some magazine or whatever said they were witty. Go figure that lad

All those years living in Ireland must have made Spike the wit that he is. I wonder if Boards.india is having a debate about one of their sons being called Irish:D

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

are the arabs that live behind the israeli border palestinians, or israeli?

boneless

My last word here... when Arthur Wesley, born in Dublin, was called an Irishman, he retorted by stating that just because one was born in a stable, it does not mean he's a horse...

Fratton Fred

boneless wrote: »

My last word here... when Arthur Wesley, born in Dublin, was called an Irishman, he retorted by stating that just because one was born in a stable, it does not mean he's a horse...

doesn't make him Jesus either, which is probaby what he was referring to.

TheIrishGrover

Hydroquinone wrote: »

In Oscar Wilde's lifetime, Ireland was British, surely? So by that token, he was Irish and British, same as a person in Scotland today is Scottish and British or someone from Cardiff is Welsh as well as British.

As for Milligan, he had the choice and chose Irish, as has been said.

Well, by THAT logic then Ghandi would have been a great British person. I'm sure he'd appreciate that

DublinWriter

Ponster wrote: »

Are Irish people born in Ireland before 1922 entitled to British passports ?

Can you have dual Irish/British nationality ?

If either parent was born in Ireland before 1947.

You can have dual nationality.

boneless

Fratton Fred wrote: »

doesn't make him Jesus either, which is probaby what he was referring to.

No... the old Iron Duke just took exception to being called Irish. Didn't stop him collecting all the rents in his estates in Meath though...:p

robinph

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Well, by THAT logic then Ghandi would have been a great British person. I'm sure he'd appreciate that

Nope. India was a country within the British Empire, but Ireland was part of the United Kingdom at the time.

Terry

Missing posts, you say?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055165875

humanji

You missed some

purple'n'gold

The old Duke of Wellington had a bit of class about him though.

After his first Cabinet meeting as PM: "An extraordinary affair. I gave them their orders and they wanted to stay and discuss them."

Terry

Humanji, dodgyme, take it to the thunderdome.

The Hill Billy

The-Rigger wrote: »

[hypothetical]

Take a carton of milk. Change the label so it reads 'Orange Juice' and voila, it's orange juice!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's not, it's still milk, it's white, its milky, it comes from a cow, it's still milk, and if were capable of speaking for itself, and you asked it, it would tell you so.

[/hypothetical]

I know what you're getting at Brother, but what if you were told that you were Orange Juice from Day 1 & didn't know any different? What if you thought that other Milks were stupid for not realising that they were in fact Orange Juices (even though they were of course correct in the first place)?

humanji

Wouldn't a more accurate hypothetical situation be a carton of milk in Supervalue? It, along with many other products are all in Supervalue, yet it's still a carton of milk.

ejmaztec

humanji wrote: »

Wouldn't a more accurate hypothetical situation be a carton of milk in Supervalue? It, along with many other products are all in Supervalue, yet it's still a carton of milk.

It depends on where the cows were born, or what passports they hold.

Hagar

I know it's after hours lads, but this is just getting surreal.

Jesus Wept

Hagar wrote: »

Purple Monkey Dishwaster

+1

humanji

ejmaztec wrote: »

It depends on where the cows were born, or what passports they hold.

Don't you mean who owns them? :P

Hagar wrote:

I know it's after hours lads, but this is just getting surreal.

You know you love it!

ejmaztec

humanji wrote: »

Don't you mean who owns them? :P

Volunteer for the Irish Ruminant Army!

Man the barricades, free the cows from British tyranny!

Hagar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkHCDkYkYnk

WoollyRedHat

lol! The chickens were the best

It depends on where the cows were born, or what passports they hold.

XD

Poxyshamrock

Wilde Yes
Milligan No...technically. But in my eyes i'd call him irish

delta_bravo

Wilde was born on the island of Ireland and was a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Take from that what you will. This fact also applys to the likes of Micheal Collins and Padraig Pearse etc.

kowloon

SLJ: Ok. That’s the source of all the conflict over there. You people always claiming the Irish as yours. We got a little problem just like that here called slavery but that’s ok we don’t need to talk about that so lets go. (more laughter)

And thats one more reason why Mr. Jackson is a legend

Dave147

ejmaztec wrote: »

It depends on where the cows were born, or what passports they hold.

Haha, hilarious!
Oscar Wilde was born in Dublin. He's Irish. Close the thread.

Hydroquinone

By that reckoning Spike Milligan must have been Indian, seeing as he was born in India.

Mr. Incognito

I think a good analogy would be domocile.

There are three kiinds:

Default Domocile: Where your father is from.
Domocile by birth: Country where you are born.
Domocile by choice: Where you have permanently cut all connections and abondoned your original domocile in favour of another.

Where you are from is subjective. Oscar Wilde himself was norn in Ireland. His father was irish but Anglo Irish. Oscar abondoned Ireland permanently so those who claim that he saw himself as Irish.
From Wiki:

After graduating from Magdalen, Wilde returned to Dublin, where he met and fell in love with Florence Balcombe. She in turn became engaged to Bram Stoker. On hearing of her engagement, Wilde wrote to her stating his intention to leave Ireland permanently. He left in 1878 and was to return to his native country only twice, for brief visits. The next six years were spent in London, Paris and the United States, where he traveled to deliver lectures. Wilde's address in the 1881 British Census is given as 1 Tite Street, London.

Looking at it objectively and leaving all nationalist notions aside (of which Oscar himself had none, it seems he saw himself as a citizen of the British Empire. His Anglo-Irish background would certainly seem to lean this way.

Mr. Incognito

I think a good analogy would be domocile.

There are three kiinds:

Default Domocile: Where your father is from.
Domocile by birth: Country where you are born.
Domocile by choice: Where you have permanently cut all connections and abondoned your original domocile in favour of another.

Where you are from is subjective. Oscar Wilde himself was norn in Ireland. His father was irish but Anglo Irish. Oscar abondoned Ireland permanently so those who claim that he saw himself as Irish.
From Wiki:

After graduating from Magdalen, Wilde returned to Dublin, where he met and fell in love with Florence Balcombe. She in turn became engaged to Bram Stoker. On hearing of her engagement, Wilde wrote to her stating his intention to leave Ireland permanently. He left in 1878 and was to return to his native country only twice, for brief visits. The next six years were spent in London, Paris and the United States, where he traveled to deliver lectures. Wilde's address in the 1881 British Census is given as 1 Tite Street, London. The head of the household is listed as Frank Miles with whom Wilde shared rooms at this address.

Looking at it objectively and leaving all nationalist notions aside (of which Oscar himself had none)

Wilde, for much of his life, advocated socialism, which he argued "will be of value simply because it will lead to individualism

It seems he saw himself as a citizen of the British Empire. (albeit a relutctant one) His Anglo-Irish background would certainly seem to lean this way

humanji

So Wilde was British, Milligan was Indian, and we're still stuck with Daniel O'Donnell? How is that fair?

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

That Samuel L. Jackson interview is classic!

Kate Thornton DIAF pls

Mr. Incognito

So Wilde was British, Milligan was Indian, and we're still stuck with Daniel O'Donnell? How is that fair?

Actually he's an MBE so they even tried to claim him. They can have him. Three cheers for Daniel that annoying British Crooner.

Richard

Hagar wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that anybody who's parent(s) were born in Ireland prior to 1/1/1949 can claim British citizenship by descent ie child of a British subject?

That would cover a huge chunk of the population if it were true.

I don't think so. Most British subjects became British citizens in the early eighties. British subjects who were born in the Republic of Ireland before 1949 and some others did not become British citizens. Also, the rules were changed so that only British Citizens could pass their nationality on to their children, but British Subjects could not.

The rules for British Citizenship are tougher than Irish citizenship anyway.