Irish Far Right Political Parties

moe_sizlak

Delboy05 wrote: »

80% voted yes so can't understand how you'd find it difficult to meet people who'd admit to it. I voted for the amendment as did practically all the people I'd socialise with in Dublin and down the country. It was a no brainer as far as I was concerned

perhaps the contributor here mixes in circles who have similar views to him or her

Delboy05

moe_sizlak wrote: »

perhaps the contributor here mixes in circles who have similar views to him or her

i guess the thrust of my point was that I can't understand why anyone would deny having voted yes to the citizenship referendum

Jackie laughlin

Delboy,
I know the majority was huge. I assure you that very few people will offer the fact that they voted in favour. I find it strange too. Is it possible that many are ashamed of what they did in the privacy of the polling booth?

mrgalway

Just a quirk of the Oirish.

I don't know why, but we must be the most Xenophobic race of the world. We would even put the Americans to shame in that respect:)

dathi1

I don't know why, but we must be the most Xenophobic race of the world. We would even put the Americans to shame in that respect

in what respect? Because we are debating the pros and cons of immigration? Isn't America supposed to be the multicultural trophy that we're aspiring too? If not who else?

moe_sizlak

dathi1 wrote: »

in what respect? Because we are debating the pros and cons of immigration? Isn't America supposed to be the multicultural trophy that we're aspiring too? If not who else?

america has never done multicultarilism in the way the uk and the netherlands have , your american and thats it

Delboy05

Jackie laughlin wrote: »

Delboy,
I know the majority was huge. I assure you that very few people will offer the fact that they voted in favour. I find it strange too. Is it possible that many are ashamed of what they did in the privacy of the polling booth?

cannot see for the life of me why anyone would feel ashamed of having voted yes in that referendum...there was a loop hole in our laws which was been disgracefully exploited and it's now closed off. case closed

Hotblack Desiato

Jackie laughlin wrote: »

Is it possible that many are ashamed of what they did in the privacy of the polling booth?

No because they would have no reason to be. Also certain idiots like to label anyone who doesn't want to throw our borders wide open as a 'racist' :rolleyes:
Why keep going on about it, it's past history, accept the electorate's decision and move on. The only people still going on about it are the ones who were opposed, why would anyone who voted Yes want to go on about it, the issue is closed as far as they're concerned.

dave2pvd

moe_sizlak wrote: »

america has never done multicultarilism in the way the uk and the netherlands have , your american and thats it

Not true. Walk through any of the New York boroughs: you might as well be walking through different countries. What about any city in CA? Very distinct cultural differences. Even in ex-suburban American you have distinctly different pockets of population; whether it's a Vietnamese area or just a small redneck township - diversity is very much a fundamental of US society. There are exceptions - I've been to places in Kansas where they didn't even have Mexican transient labour.

It's a common mistake to look at Amerca as one great big generic population. I made this error myself years back. Couldn't even hear different accents.

OK: going way OT with the above.

I didn't expect to see the PDs so far right on the graph. And then there is FF. Shouldn't they have a much bigger dot to show just how pandering they can be? There never has been a strict party line.

Jackie laughlin

What's wrong with discussing history? It is becoming tiresome that within Boards so many censors want us to shut up and "move on".

Certain racists accuse tolerant people of being idiots who want to throw our borders open. (See, that kind of invective is as easy as it is pointless.)

Hotblack Desiato

What's wrong with discussing history - nothing - but this thread is supposed to be about Irish Far Right Political Parties, not re-hashing the citizenship referendum. History forum is over there -->

Are you trying to misquote me or something?
One's opinion on throwing borders open (or not) cannot make one an idiot. Putting ridiculous labels on people in an attempt to stifle debate does, however, in my opinion make one an idiot (or some rather worse words I could use.)
Unfortunately there are plenty of people only too quick to throw the "R" word about with zero justification.
So it's not hard to wonder why some people might not want to go shouting about which way they voted in the citizenship referendum, even though it had nothing to do with racism, or support for far right parties (which is miniscule.)

mrgalway

dathi1 wrote: »

in what respect? Because we are debating the pros and cons of immigration? Isn't America supposed to be the multicultural trophy that we're aspiring too? If not who else?

I'm not aware of many Irish aspiring to that. I would say we aspire to be that in what ever country our diaspora takes us to (as long as there is an Irish Pub nearby and we talk s^&t* to each other and listen to U2.) But when we come back, we always complain about how many Eastern Europeans are woking at our local and at McDonalds.

That is neither a pro or a con, that is just a fundamental fact of the Irish.

As for a pro for the debate, at least you can now find a repairman who will not try to con you from the get go.;)

moe_sizlak

mrgalway wrote: »

I'm not aware of many Irish aspiring to that. I would say we aspire to be that in what ever country our diaspora takes us to (as long as there is an Irish Pub nearby and we talk s^&t* to each other and listen to U2.) But when we come back, we always complain about how many Eastern Europeans are woking at our local and at McDonalds.

That is neither a pro or a con, that is just a fundamental fact of the Irish.

As for a pro for the debate, at least you can now find a repairman who will not try to con you from the get go.;)

perfectly put in every way , especially the bit about the repairman

Jackie laughlin

Ninja,
You cannot seriously take the view that history should play no part in political discussion!

I was not misquoting you. I was demonstrating how easy it is to produce a mirror image of your invective.

Moreover, you are not being consistent:
From consecutive posts

Ninja statement 1

“Also certain idiots like to label anyone who doesn't want to throw our borders wide open as a 'racist'”

Ninja statement 2
“One's opinion on throwing borders open (or not) cannot make one an idiot. Putting ridiculous labels on people in an attempt to stifle debate does, however, in my opinion make one an idiot (or some rather worse words I could use.)”

Hotblack Desiato

Jackie, if you want to re-hash the citizenship referendum endlessly, go start a thread on it, and let the mods decide whether it's more appropriate to politics or history.

I am reporting you for abuse for calling my posts 'invective'.

I am being entirely consistent. People who misuse the 'racist' word (e.g. calling anyone who doesn't want totally open borders a racist) are idiots. That's a rather charitable description for them, actually.

Edit: You wondered why people did not want to say that they voted a certain way in a certain referendum. I think your recent posts have amply illustrated why that is.

djpbarry

mrgalway wrote: »

As for a pro for the debate, at least you can now find a repairman who will not try to con you from the get go.;)

Damn straight !

oscarBravo

I can't see this bickering turning into anything useful - thread closed.