[US] 2X04 - "The Kindness of Strangers" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

thelordofcheese

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Jesjes wrote: »

I couldnt help saying "He's in Cork" when Ma Paterli was like "I cant lose another son"

Same here, i couldn't stop myself from saying "shure, he's only in cark, bai!"

The Don

Goodshape wrote: »

I really don't think it is her (Uhrura / Micka's grandmother) in the photo.

See the attached image, close-ups of the 12 faces. Doesn't really look anything like her IMO.

For comparison, there a picture of the grandmother here : http://heroeswiki.com/Nana

I don't either. I think its nana's daughter and the mother of Monica and Damon. As thier mother was killed in Katrina we haven't seen what she looks like.

As for the killer, I don't think that it's one of the 12. Kaito Nakamura said that they did alot of wrong and that he tried to make up for it by helping Hiro. I think that it's someone that they found and experimented on, maybe the first that they experimented on when they setup the company.

Hrududu

I dont see why people are speculating that West might be Nathan's son. Of all the powers we have never seen one repeat from parent to child. So why would this be the case here?

Hyzepher

The women at the top right is a famous actress - cant remeber her name at the minute - so I would expect her to feature pretty soon

madrab

Guessing here but...

hmm maybe kensi is the killer
you know the that claires dad said that if they cought claire that they would experiment on her & test her to the limits, maybe thats because he was refering to a time when they had caught a healer (kensi, he can heal so its logical that he is immortal) & tested him to his limits. Suppose he escaped & is now killing everyone that tortured him

Think about it, he pushed sulu off the balcony & was not seen on the ground, he could have healed & ran off & when he kills people he leaves his symbol on the pictures

EDIT: Edited to remove spoiler tags

seamus

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madrab wrote: »

Guessing here but...
hmm maybe kensi is the killer
you know the that claires dad said that if they cought claire that they would experiment on her & test her to the limits, maybe thats because he was refering to a time when they had caught a healer (kensi, he can heal so its logical that he is immortal) & tested him to his limits. Suppose he escaped & is now killing everyone that tortured him

Think about it, he pushed sulu off the balcony & was not seen on the ground, he could have healed & ran off & when he kills people he leaves his symbol on the pictures

(No need for the spoiler tags )

I think it's a reasonable theory. Kensei was one of the first to see/know the symbol, so it's likely that he may have adopted it as "his" symbol and so the people in company knew that when they saw the symbol, they were boned. It would indeed explain how the killer survived the fall.

The attack on Angela Petrelli also seemed to be some sort of slashing attack, which would be at least remotely consistent with Kensei and his swordcraft. If she had some sort of power to try fend him off, then it would explain why she wasn't immediately split in half.

In addition, it's also been accepted that the company is generally up to no good - it's been painted as a "bad thing" for the whole show, so it's unlikely that Parkman's Dad would be interested in taking it down. We know that Kensei is slightly reformed after meeting Hiro, so it could very easily be a "good guy" who's looking to kill the company founders.

Goodshape

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It's a fine theory alright. The Hiro/Kensei story doesn't seem to be fitting into anything else at the moment - and Kensei himself, despite any 'reforms', is a surprisingly crap character.

Makes me think there's a false sense of security thing going on. Something big's got to happen to these guys.

Agamemnon

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madrab wrote: »

hmm maybe kensi is the killer
you know the that claires dad said that if they cought claire that they would experiment on her & test her to the limits, maybe thats because he was refering to a time when they had caught a healer (kensi, he can heal so its logical that he is immortal) & tested him to his limits. Suppose he escaped & is now killing everyone that tortured him

Think about it, he pushed sulu off the balcony & was not seen on the ground, he could have healed & ran off & when he kills people he leaves his symbol on the pictures

Interesting theory, madrab. It would link up the present and Hiro's adventures in the past nicely. Nakamura Snr. recognised his killer and this would fit if it was Kensei. Only problem is how he was able to get in and out of a police station without being seen. Kensei hasn't displayed any invisibility or teleportation powers yet, but maybe he's yet to discover them.

User45701

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I dont think kensi has any power other than the abality to heal. What happened to the

1000 year old irish guy we where supposed to see?, please dont tell me its kensi and his orish acent is just that bad

i think the only 3 people with multiple powers we know of are

Peter
Syler
The girl who is working at the diner, cant remember her name, power may be a veration of Sylers/Peters

Peter Needs physical touch/Close proximity
Syler needs a good look at there brain
She needs to see something in action (Mimicary)

madrab

well in a slightly off topic point, the actor who plays kensi played stark in alias with the same accent & he was meant to be irish

but more on topic, i think micca's cousin can only learn things that normal people can do when its shown on the telly, ok we have only seen it twice but it was both something that was physically possible & was on the telly

azzeretti

agamemnon wrote: »

Interesting theory, madrab. It would link up the present and Hiro's adventures in the past nicely. Nakamura Snr. recognised his killer and this would fit if it was Kensei. Only problem is how he was able to get in and out of a police station without being seen. Kensei hasn't displayed any invisibility or teleportation powers yet, but maybe he's yet to discover them.

Um, I liked this theory at first too, but some things wouldn't add up. If it was Kensei, and he was tortured, I don't think Nakamura would have exclaimed that "off all the people I didn't think it would be you" (paraphrasing). Surely, if Nakamura was involved in torturing Kensei then it would come as no surprise that Kensei wanted him dead. It is obvious that the person who killed Nakamura could either fly or was able to regenerate. Its likely we know the person, or at least have been exposed to him/her.

Angela could have a similar Niki/Jessica power, and she battered herself! Unlikely though.
So that means someone got in and out of that cell without been seen. The leaves either: someone we don't know yet. DL (who may not be dead), Invisible Man (old friend) or Hiro. All interesting prospects.

My head hurts.

youcancallmeal

As interesting as the plague twins

The acting is getting so bad in Heroes I'm finding it hard to maintain interest. The sooner Molly, Matt and a few others are killed off the better!

Mossy Monk

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Hopefully Molly will stay in shock.

Agamemnon

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azzeretti wrote: »

Um, I liked this theory at first too, but some things wouldn't add up. If it was Kensei, and he was tortured, I don't think Nakamura would have exclaimed that "off all the people I didn't think it would be you" (paraphrasing). Surely, if Nakamura was involved in torturing Kensei then it would come as no surprise that Kensei wanted him dead. It is obvious that the person who killed Nakamura could either fly or was able to regenerate. Its likely we know the person, or at least have been exposed to him/her.

Angela could have a similar Niki/Jessica power, and she battered herself! Unlikely though.
So that means someone got in and out of that cell without been seen. The leaves either: someone we don't know yet. DL (who may not be dead), Invisible Man (old friend) or Hiro. All interesting prospects.

My head hurts.

Yeah, it's confusing all right. Claude could be the killer - his invisibility would allow him to seemingly vanish from the roof of a tall building and to get in and out of a police interrogation room without being seen. But Nakamura wouldn't have been surprised that Claude wanted to kill him - the Company tried to kill Claude and have been hunting him for years.

It would be interesting if it was Future Hiro. Seeing as New York wasn't destroyed, the future we saw in "Five Years Gone" will be altered and Hiro probably won't be killed by Parkman. Hope we'll get another future episode this season.

Mr.Nice Guy

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This episode was a welcome return to form. Best episode of the season (not that that's saying much).

Overheal

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the bits about hurricane Katrina were about as reminiscent as "Where were you when they built the ladder to heaven? 9/11... 9/11.... 9/11.... 9/11"

Liked the twist at the end; Sylar ftw; a plot finally develops!

Claude could be the killer - his invisibility would allow him to seemingly vanish from the roof of a tall building and to get in and out of a police interrogation room without being seen.

I doubt it. Its definitely one of the 12 and Claude was not in the photo. The attacker did in fact follow Nakamura off of the building as well. I suspect something new entirely. As for Claude though it would seem he was more of a glorified extra/guest - not to be frequently re-visited... I grant you though there does seem to be significance with the 12 and the company (and hence also Claude who worked for the company).

Whats been bothering me above everything else though is what is up with Nathan when he sees his reflection!? Who knows he might actually be interesting this time around now that he's done hitting rock bottom from his former position of Presidential Tightass.

The whole Clarie/West thing has me wondering what Mr Bennett is so protective about. He obviously knows something about west.

As for the new girl getting a twinkle in her eye while watching Rey Mysterio doing a 619 on the tv I thought, "oh no, this is going to be terrible". But it was quite good. Interesting to see where the story with her goes. What happened when Micah put his hand on her back? The camera stayed on it a bit long I thought.

Awful attention span, you but I dont blame you for your first question - but the answer is in the painting: Bennet is dead on the ground; Claire is kissing a shadowed/unknown figure in the background.

Your second question: Micah says it right afterwards silly: "I wish I could fix your dreams for you" it was an obvious plug considering he just rigged the Pay Per View in the same manner he tried to help whatsherface

Anyway: heres the score breakdown:

Corny reminiscence clips of Katrina and poverty poor-me's: -1
Immediately following that with fancy bennet house talking about where they wanna go for desert: +1
Hollywood scene: -1 (god, that line he spat out - blah)
Matt Parkman being interesting: +2
Micah Arc may not be so dreaful just yet (and no Nikki!) : +1
Great Cliffhanger: +2
Gabriel becoming... good guy?? (guy he killed wanted to report them) : +2

8/10.

dabbler2004

Something about West is bothering me; in the last episode and again in this one he keeps going on about 'the guy with the horn rimmed glasses'. If he did get abducted by Claire's dad would he not have had his memories of it wiped by the Haitian, or am I missing something?

L31mr0d

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It was a fairly good episode. The whole Claire, HRG and West storyline is a little clichéd but still it gets Hayden more screen time.

I'm guessing they want us to believe that West will find out Claires dad is the guy who abducted him and try to kill him out of revenge. But I think this is a red herring and someone else will kill HRG.

Also why doesn't HRG just get himself some contacts, there ya go, future changed, as the painting clearly shows someone with glasses getting shot.

Also how lazy is Matt, I mean he NEEDED to know the exact room his dad was in? Was the apartment block not good enough for him, not even the floor? I mean how hard would it of been to knock on a few doors. Now the little girl is trapped inside her own brain, well done Matt.

Also, anyone else feeling Suresh's storyline has run its course. He seems to be just bundling from one storyline to another with little purpose other than the fact his blood is a cure.

All in all though i'm liking this season, the last 4 episodes have been well above my expectations and a lot better than the first 4 of season 1 imo.

5starpool

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Overheal wrote: »

Gabriel becoming... good guy?? (guy he killed wanted to report them) : +2

Odd definition of a good guy there.

Mossy Monk

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Overheal wrote: »

Gabriel becoming... good guy?? (guy he killed wanted to report them)

Most definately not.

6th

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Maybe the killer can control peoples minds and the person on the roof was Kensei (but not in control of himself) and then they got Angela to beat herself up?

Fysh

Regarding West - I think L31mr0d is on the money there. The painting shows Claire kissing a shadowy figure near what appears to be Noah's dead body, but since the glasses are what's used to identify him it's quite possibly a red herring.

At last the possible threads for this season's greater story arc are starting to appear - we've got the Nightmare Man, some form of historical conspiracy from the earlier generation, a virus of unidentified origin affecting only those will special abilities, and the mission to take down the company.

Now it's starting to feel as promising as the first season did, though as many have pointed out the first season didn't get going properly until 4 episodes in, either. I suppose there's a limit to what you can do in storytelling terms to keep early episodes compelling when you have a range of characters who are geographically dispersed....

Overheal

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dabbler2004 wrote: »

Something about West is bothering me; in the last episode and again in this one he keeps going on about 'the guy with the horn rimmed glasses'. If he did get abducted by Claire's dad would he not have had his memories of it wiped by the Haitian, or am I missing something?

Damn; good catch.

So maybe theres something wrong here with West, like he's got an ulterior motive? Something does seem odd about the painting - the suggestion there (to me) is that Claire sees the death of her Father but is already wrapped around West's finger by that point....

5starpool wrote: »

Odd definition of a good guy there.

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Most definately not.

I meant it as a pre-emptive counter-argument but ok: I mean he has ditched the Sylar thing even though he remembers it all obviously. He begun relating with the twins too - perhaps enough not to bring harm to them? At least for the time being: the 3 of them are in the same boat - Sylar is looking for answers of his own about why his powers have disappeared. I suppose I'll rethink the statement though and call him a chaotic-neutral: he'll do whatever the situation requires for what he sees as his own survival or evolutionary imperative.

Fysh wrote: »

Regarding West - I think L31mr0d is on the money there. The painting shows Claire kissing a shadowy figure near what appears to be Noah's dead body, but since the glasses are what's used to identify him it's quite possibly a red herring.

You mean that you think it might not be Noah? Hmm. I hope so - he's a good character. Im hoping it isnt my above theory but I dont want to discount either.

MULTIQUOTE TOOL FTW

5starpool

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Is it just me, or does pretty much everyone in the company not have a power of some sort? Do you think we will ever find Noah with one? I imagine it is pretty unlikely, but he does seem nearly the odd one out at this point.

Also, another weird and slightly outthere theory with no backing, but what are the odds that Angela Petrelli is the one that killed Nakamura? We haven't fouind out what her power is yet, and she may well just have been manipulating Parkman by sending him false thoughts? She will probably get killed next episode for that now.

seamus

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5starpool wrote: »

Is it just me, or does pretty much everyone in the company not have a power of some sort? Do you think we will ever find Noah with one? I imagine it is pretty unlikely, but he does seem nearly the odd one out at this point.

Well we know that not everyone in the company has a power - they "team up" people in pairs, one evolved and one normie.

It may be possible though that not all of the founders had powers. So far we have no actual confirmation that Angela Petrelli or Kaito had a power. But the rest that we've met, did have a power, and Angela and Katio's kid(s) turned out to have powers, so it's reasonable to assume that all the founders had powers.

I do think that it's possible West works for the company and has been sent in to intercept/confuse Claire. The marks indicate that he's being tracked by the company and the fact that he can fly may be the reason why he was sent in - so she may equate/compare West with her father. If the company have a plan to assassinate Noah, then West may be planning to slowly turn Claire away from him. We did see that West latched onto Claire straight away and wouldn't leave her alone - as if he knew.

5starpool

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seamus wrote: »

We did see that West latched onto Claire straight away and wouldn't leave her alone - as if he knew.

She is quite a hot babe though, so that in itself is a fairly valid reason.

seamus

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5starpool wrote: »

She is quite a hot babe though, so that in itself is a fairly valid reason.

Yeah, but when you see a hot babe, you don't immediately start stalking her and asking her questions about stuff "growing back".

5starpool

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seamus wrote: »

Yeah, but when you see a hot babe, you don't immediately start stalking her and asking her questions about stuff "growing back".

Ah, but we don't live in California. Maybe it is de rigeur there?

ITT-Pat

5starpool wrote: »

Ah, but we don't live in California. Maybe it is de rigeur there?

LOL

California weirdos FTW!!

tetsujin1979

dabbler2004 wrote: »

Something about West is bothering me; in the last episode and again in this one he keeps going on about 'the guy with the horn rimmed glasses'. If he did get abducted by Claire's dad would he not have had his memories of it wiped by the Haitian, or am I missing something?

goodpoint, but Matt remembered seeing the Haitian in the bar before he was kidnapped.

Faith

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5starpool wrote: »

Ah, but we don't live in California. Maybe it is de rigeur there?

No... It's not!

5starpool

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Faith wrote: »

No... It's not!

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I will try to keep any lame attempts at humour to a minimum in the future.

The_g-man

ab_cork mentioned this already, but Sylars powers are coming back to him, they made a big deal about the clock sound starting to tick again as he was slowly getting to see how everything works again [reading the headline with the car thief] .
Plus he's back to his slightly too forward ways of expecting answers while playing the innocent on the car journey.
Also, Nathan didn't seem concerned about his hand at all after he smashed the mirror. A minor thing but I want to see if that goes anywhere in the next episodes.

Faith

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5starpool wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I will try to keep any lame attempts at humour to a minimum in the future.

Oops, didn't mean for that to come across as harsh! I was simply agreeing that it's not normal to start stalking girls and asking them weird questions. Apologies if I caused you any offence!

5starpool

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Faith wrote: »

Oops, didn't mean for that to come across as harsh! I was simply agreeing that it's not normal to start stalking girls and asking them weird questions. Apologies if I caused you any offence!

I just thought your sarcasmometer was broken, but maybe it is mine. Offence would be way to strong a word even worst case. Mild miffedness maybe until I forgot about it 2 seconds later.

ITT-Pat

5starpool wrote: »

Mild miffedness maybe until I forgot about it 2 seconds later.

still sufferin from the aul short-term memory loss then dom............


:D:D

Jay Ru

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i've got a question, why is it that mr paterelli snr is the only person in the picture that is not looking directly at the camera, i think thats theres a chance thats he's still alive, and if thats the case maybe he cud be "the company killer" it wud explain why he only attacked momma paterelli rather than kill her. with all that said i'm still liken the theory of Kensi being the "the company killer" maybe something happens to that beautiful young princess that hiro is also in love with, and maybe that will turn him.

Jay Ru

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just seen the promo for next weeks show there and is it just me or those the new character look alot like Claire, and going by the thread about the new character, it seems to suggest that theres a connection between the 2 of them. me think she might be an older sister!

thelordofcheese

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the more i think about it, the more i reckon west is up to no good.

His latching onto claire, the whole "ohh we're both special, nobody understands us" sthick. It's looking more and more like he's going to try and turn her against her family and such.
I don't think he's working for the company or anything, but he's just a little sociopath.

Lunula

Has anyone thought that maybe the horn rimmed glasses isn't Claire's dad, but the other guy with rimmed glasses who Mohinder is working with? (The guy who turns things to gold).

The series is excellent so far.

I have a feeling that Micah (sp?) could sense that his cousin seemed "broken" and possibly fixed her, and that is how her powers worked when she was at work after that.

The only thing I hate about the series are those absolutely annoying twins.
What's the story with them? They annoy me. Maybe if Sylar kills the two of them I will be happy.

They p:)ss me off.

EDIT:

Here's the 8th painting if anyone is interested:

robinph

Lunula wrote: »

Has anyone thought that maybe the horn rimmed glasses isn't Claire's dad, but the other guy with rimmed glasses who Mohinder is working with? (The guy who turns things to gold).

The older Petrelli brother is Claires biological dad, forgot his name for some reason.

Lunula

Ah yes, I mean the foster dad.
And it's Nathan Petrelli ^^

funky penguin

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Still not convinced thats claire.

Dord

Very good

Did anyone notice that Parkman called Kaito by Hiro's name when he was looking at the photograph and talking to Mohinder. He was naming the people who are dead and said "Hiro Nakamura". Maybe just a slip of the tongue?

AlmightyCushion

Joe Robot wrote: »

Did anyone notice that Parkman called Kaito by Hiro's name when he was looking at the photograph and talking to Mohinder. He was naming the people who are dead and said "Hiro Nakamura". Maybe just a slip of the tongue?

Well when Nathan is looking for the picture (21:10) he says Kaito. When Matt shows the photo to Mohinder (39:00) he says Kaito too. It kinda sounds like Hiro though as he says it fast.

Dord

Very good

maybe thats it then.

5starpool

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Lunula wrote: »

I have a feeling that Micah (sp?) could sense that his cousin seemed "broken" and possibly fixed her, and that is how her powers worked when she was at work after that.

Nah, she did the tomato thing at work before that happened. He was just wishing he could do to people what he could do to machines.

funky penguin

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Hmmmm. Perhaps West does want revenge on Noah. Assuming he knows whom her dad actually is, and he's playing her. Perhaps West and Kristen bell's character conspire to produce the above painting?

Haven't seen the 5th episode, but I'm sure it'll blow that theory far far away.

monkeyfudge

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Jesjes wrote: »

Definitely a great epiosde. I couldnt help saying "He's in Cork" when Ma Paterli was like "I cant lose another son"

Surely a faith worse than death then?